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Old 02-17-2019, 05:51 AM   #1
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Star Wars - Doubling down on agenda

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They have NOT learned a THING. now they are re writing original movie history and turning han, luke and chewie into useless idiots. anyone remember general reikan on hoth? we do...

And with this bri situation tanking Captain Marvel pretty fast... I can't help but wonder WHY they have not learned that going woke means going broke.


I decided to give one last new cannon book a try. Bloodlines. Claudia Grey does an admirable job making it FEEL like a part of the old EU by making it an interesting, readable book. but the agenda is pretty clear...even if she tries to bury it where it belongs. Two main men characters. one sympathetic and crying, one nasty and traitorous. mention of 'right wing and left wing' politics. apparently a rich woman from coruscant funded and setup the entire first order, not snoke. and the female characters outnumber the male ones by a large margin. or at least get most of the spotlight on them.

that being said, it's one of the few nicer books that I'd put on par with timothy zahn writing. and it's clear claudia is trying to avoid real world politics as she addresses lucasfilms bullet points and then buries them real quick. I'd buy another book from her again.

but disney is still at it with it's agenda, and it's rather sad at this point.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:47 AM   #2
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Uhm, what even is this? Who decided it was a good idea to take audio clips from the movies and animate a short around them? Why not just record new voice clips?

Eh, whatever. Star Wars' quality has been drain since 1999, as has the artistry/creativity since 2015 and as of last year it's not even guaranteed to make money anymore. Last time I checked, Solo appearently did so poorly Disney scrapped their plans to release a Star Wars movie every year.

Between the cynical retreading of the current movies, the laziness Marvel publishes, EA treating SW with the same greed as their own franchises, that absurdly boring Resistance cartoon and the actual cancellations of movie productions... Well, I'm not so sure doubling down on pseudo-feminist marketing is really the worst thing going on here.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:13 AM   #3
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but, that's the entire problem WHY star wars is sinking!

People of all races and creeds are coming together and saying, this agenda isn't what we want, and are avoiding the property like the plague.

Marvel will soon be quick to find this out, and if they had any plans to replace existing hero's with Captain Marvel, are probably back tracking with re writes REAL quick.
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I liked these cartoons for the most part. The Luke vs. Vader on Cloud City was really fun. I'd watch an animated version of the original trilogy.

It's a HELL of a lot better than the Forces of Destiny ********.

And you're right, this particular one feels just like the Forces of Destiny ********.

I have no problem with strong women/strong female characters in my stories. Why these women HAVE to exist next to incompetent, incapable men is beyond me. It wasn't like Luke and Han were bumbling morons in the movies. They were improving the rescue, but it wasn't like they were unable to use their own weapons and tools.

Leia was an interesting character because she wasn't a damsel in distress, and was able to carry her fair share of the weight in the escape.

The original trilogy never had a problem depicting Leia as a capable fighter/leader, and was absolutely essential in leading the Rebels.

Do people not understand that? Are we all watching different movies?
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:57 AM   #5
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Yeah, and it's not like lea was totally useless either.

She took out at least 5 storm troopers in that chasm swing scene, and at a rather difficult angle to shoot at to boot. So, why do they have to make the men, especially luke, seem goofy and useless?

Apparently disney didn't see the same movies, because they feel the need to constantly double down on this stuff, even using 'the future is female' on their official website.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:39 AM   #6
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I don't envy modern writers.
They have stuck between hammer and anvil.

How do you write good female (minority) character, without attracting ire of sizable portion of lunatics from one side or the other?

If you write them overcompetent you end up with Mary Sue, if you write them as competent as everyone, somebody would be offended saying that "female character is bad, because she is nothing special".
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a cute animated short using the damsel out of distressed trope for comedy and vegita screams AGENDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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a cute animated short using the damsel out of distressed trope for comedy and vegita screams AGENDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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I don't envy modern writers.
They have stuck between hammer and anvil.

How do you write good female (minority) character, without attracting ire of sizable portion of lunatics from one side or the other?

If you write them overcompetent you end up with Mary Sue, if you write them as competent as everyone, somebody would be offended saying that "female character is bad, because she is nothing special".
While I don't envy modern day writers,

I've NEVER heard someone say a female character isn't anything special, therefore she is bad. that's a new one. It's usually 'there arn't enough bad ass women'.
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They have stuck between hammer and anvil.

How do you write good female (minority) character, without attracting ire of sizable portion of lunatics from one side or the other?
It's always why I feel anime does it best. Sure, outside of fanservice stuff, female characters do feel like they are written as characters. Sure while boobage might be at the front door a strong part that plays the waifu aspect is the characters' character. I mean hell, at least in Harems the girls actually has a characters when the mc is usually a blank slate character.

It's kind of like what Bulma's english voice actress said a few weeks ago in regard to some bot/spam account "Japan has been creating strong female characters long before it ever became popular here"

But sometimes what happens is that when you just write a plain good character it never gets the traction of characters with negative traits like badly written or written for the wrong reasons.
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Are people still citing Solo's box office to promote their anti-diversity agenda?

How does this even work? It's not like Solo was a minority led, pro-diversity "SJW" movie. If anything it's exactly the kind of Star Wars that a lot of Star Wars fans have been begging to made since Lucas announced there would be prequels.

Hypothetically if fans did still away as retroactive punishment for the other Disney produced Star Wars movies being more diverse then they really shot themselves in the foot, didn't they? Since Solo was not that kind of movie just imagine the takeaway from Disney execs; imagine for a second that you're a bottom line studio exec looking at the billion made by The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi and Rogue One making almost that then looks at Solo's barely making a profit you'd argue for more "SJW agenda movies" because clearly they work.

Of course in truth Solo didn't underperform because people wanted to retroactively punish the franchise for daring to have black and female leads or stayed away because this movie wasn't that. It was because it looked like an ultra safe movie about Star Wars minutiae that only die hard fans care about. Turns out die hard fans alone are not enough to make even Star Wars a huge success and these people think that they can affect the box office of the next 'proper' Star Wars movie? Good look with that.

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And with this bri situation tanking Captain Marvel pretty fast... I can't help but wonder WHY they have not learned that going woke means going broke.
You mean the movie tracking to have a 100 million opening?

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Are people still citing Solo's box office to promote their anti-diversity agenda?
In saner corners of the internet...people just thought another prequel with a bland substitute for Harrison wasn't needed.

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You mean the movie tracking to have a 100 million opening?
So what? Plenty of movies have had "good tracking" only to underperform, and bad word of mouth is going to affect it's actual box office, and statistics mean nothing these days as the facts can be manipulated. Doctor Who scored the highest ratings in years with a female lead and it's unanimously consensus that it's one of the blandest pieces of s*it to ever be put to screen.

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If Episode 9 underperforms, what will the excuse be then?

fans just don't care about star wars anymore? or that the fan revolt, the fandom menace, is real?
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If Episode 9 underperforms, what will the excuse be then?

fans just don't care about star wars anymore? or that the fan revolt, the fandom menace, is real?
Episode IX was revealed to have wrapped filming a few days ago...there was very little commotion or reaction to that at all compared to when Force Awakens and Last Jedi wrapped.
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In saner corners of the internet...people just thought another prequel with a bland substitute for Harrison wasn't needed.
That probably sums it well enough.

But then no one really needed Rogue One rother and yet that was a big hit. They were always going to play it safe with Han Solo. If anything they should have made a Lando movie, he was played by a big rapper that had a huge hit at the time and the fact it's a character less people cared about they could have taken some chances without angering fans and made a better movie.

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Well we'll see how it actually does but I'm fairly confident when all is said and done Captain Marvel will be pretty successful.

Not that it's going to matter to some people. They have made up their minds about it's quality already and will spin whatever it's numbers are whatever way they want.

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fans just don't care about star wars anymore? or that the fan revolt, the fandom menace, is real?
Episode 9 is unlikely to underperform.

I'm not coming up with excuses why Solo underperformed! just pointing out the flaw in your logic. If anything it should be you coming up with excuses why Solo underperformed after all it was the kind of Star Wars movie you claim you want, right?

That's the weird thing Solo's underperformance compared TFA, TLJ and R1's mega success only weakens your argument. The only recent Star Wars movie that idiots didn't think had an "SJW agenda" is the one that isn't a runaway hit.
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You mean the movie tracking to have a 100 million opening?
100 yes, but it dropped from 180.
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It's always why I feel anime does it best. Sure, outside of fanservice stuff, female characters do feel like they are written as characters. Sure while boobage might be at the front door a strong part that plays the waifu aspect is the characters' character. I mean hell, at least in Harems the girls actually has a characters when the mc is usually a blank slate character.

It's kind of like what Bulma's english voice actress said a few weeks ago in regard to some bot/spam account "Japan has been creating strong female characters long before it ever became popular here"

But sometimes what happens is that when you just write a plain good character it never gets the traction of characters with negative traits like badly written or written for the wrong reasons.
Hilariously enough you find a lot of "progressive" people who say that "female characters in anime are horrible pandering trash and everyone who says, they like them for their personality are liars and perverts".

It begs two questions though:
1) What is perverse about enjoying sexiness?
I mean, of course, there is time and place for everything, but what is so bad about character being sexy and not being afraid showing their sex-appeal? Why is the rhetoric of progressives when it comes to sexiness more and more reminds me of rhetoric of hardcore christians and muslims? Especially line of thinking that "we must cover those female characters up for the good of women themselves".

2) And related question - do those people think that sexy character can't be a good character?
It's almost like those people can't see anything past boobs and fanservice, in which case the problem lies not with the characters, but with those supposed "paragons of virtue and progress".

Interestingly (or should I say, predictably), a lot of the same paragons of white knightism, support prostitution becoming legal and porn watching. Guess, in their warped worldview women, allowing their bodies to be used as sex toys for others, are much less harmful for women everywhere than some boobage in a niche Japanese cartoon...

It's almost like those "progressives" go after something that doesn't personally effect them, but can be used to rise a big stink and create a "controversy" out of nothing to get free progressive cookies.
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While I don't think Captain Marvel will be a flop, it would be interesting considering the history of things titled "Captain Marvel".

Ever wondered if the Captain Marvel trademark is cursed? Not a rational assumption by any means but bad things keep happening to it:
  • Fawcett Captain Marvel was sued into cancellation by DC.
  • Marvel's Captain Marvel was never a popular character and was only kept around to keep the trademark.
  • Monica Rambeau only got two issues (ouch) thereby making her least popular character to bear that name... Ever.
  • Genis-Vell does have a respectable 67 total issues but it's all broken up into three rather short books.
  • The Skrull imposter got five issues (still more than Monica).
  • Carol, since becoming Captain Marvel in 2011, has had a total of 65 issues. At first glance this might seem respectable... Until you realise they're split between seven books most of which didn't last more than a year. On average they're nine issues long each and the last two didn't even get six...
  • Wanna know what makes Carol as Captain Marvel even worse? She had a total of 73 issues over two books as Ms. Marvel, both books lasting longer than any of her CM books. In fact, Kamala Khan as the new Ms. Marvel actually has more issues in either of her two books than any of Carol's Captain Marvel books, one of them even managed to get to 38 issues.

Again, not actually expecting CM to fail here, it would just be funny if it did.
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