Star Trek: Picard

[IMJ]

I think there are two psychological components at play when we see these hard nosed opinions.

01 - there's a significant comparison bias. News in America is more widespread globally as a "narrative" than much of what goes on in the rest of the world by comparison.

02 - America has always had the "big boy on the block target" on it. Years ago, the global story was that all Americans were cowboys. Then all Americans were fat. Now all Americans are racists.

Granted Marina has some experiential living here, but for God's sake she's a Hollywood liberal, clearly a drama queen - I mean she left the country saying it was full of racists, but then punctuated it with how work for middle aged women is easier to find in Britain. She's jaded. She's not pioneering.

There is also an internal bias whereby we cite racism as some purely "white phenomena", but I got news guys - in my experience there are a lot more POC's carrying on with racism and internal violence than there are white people. And I live here. In the Chicago area.

[Jester]

I was reading Jeffery Hunter's Wikipedia today (it was kinda a rabbit hole because of the Google Doodle of the day about Tamio "Tommy" Kono, who like another Trek actor George Takei was interned during WWII, so I was looking for movies that talked about that, and one stared both Hunter and Takei...BUT) and had to chuckle at one line in his personal life section:

Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter

He was a Republican.[28]

The 1st Captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise...

[Vegita-San]

someone should tweet that to sirtis. if she really believes this stuff, it'll blow her mind .

[Andrew NDB]

[DarkFell]

^ If I had to choose, the left path would be the best way to go.

[newfan]

I think DS9 was my least favourite of the shows (referring to all the older stuff) .... wait, was that the point? I dunno I got the impression other people like it.

Actually, on the Subject of Star Trek, well it's fans anyway, I've not seen Cylons on here for a while.

As for Picard's the next season, I hope they stop dragging out or tone down the 'shame' for his character.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by newfan

Actually, on the Subject of Star Trek, well it's fans anyway, I've not seen Cylons on here for a while.

You probably won't. I still hear from him, but without speaking too much for him he's pretty much "retired" from the Drome.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You probably won't. I still hear from him, but without speaking too much for him he's pretty much "retired" from the Drome.

Oh that's a shame, seemed a reasonable guy, but people move on. I wish him well.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by IMJ

01 - there's a significant comparison bias. News in America is more widespread globally as a "narrative" than much of what goes on in the rest of the world by comparison.

This is true. It dawned on my in 2017 UK general election were we had a hung parliament and the Conservatives had to form a coalition with Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party and the response from most Brits was "who?" News of American politics is so widespread in the UK in comparison to a part of our own country that is right door.

02 - America has always had the "big boy on the block target" on it. Years ago, the global story was that all Americans were cowboys. Then all Americans were fat. Now all Americans are racists.

There's a difference between cultural stereotypes and pointing out an objective truth that the United States had a big problem with racism.

There is also an internal bias whereby we cite racism as some purely "white phenomena", but I got news guys - in my experience there are a lot more POC's carrying on with racism and internal violence than there are white people. And I live here. In the Chicago area.

No one denies that non white people can be racist and that's bad but in the western world they are not in a position of power. Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.

Originally Posted by Jester

I was reading Jeffery Hunter's Wikipedia today (it was kinda a rabbit hole because of the Google Doodle of the day about Tamio "Tommy" Kono, who like another Trek actor George Takei was interned during WWII, so I was looking for movies that talked about that, and one stared both Hunter and Takei...BUT) and had to chuckle at one line in his personal life section:

The 1st Captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise...

The first captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise is Captain Archer.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Galactus

No one denies that non white people can be racist and that's bad but in the western world they are not in a position of power. Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.

Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and Barack Obama sort of stand as living proof that the whole "Blacks Have No Power/Can't Achieve Positions Of Power" narrative is 100% bullsh*t.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The first captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise is Captain Archer.

He wasn't the captain of the first "Federation starship Enterprise." That was Robert April. But he is only somewhat canon.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.

For now.

Giving the trajectory, it might take just a few years until activists and virtue signaling corporations will start discriminating White people from the jobs and the like.

Look into "Critical Race Theory" and all the madness it entails - right now its already at Nazi level of hatred towards Whites. What will happen few years later? Who knows, but usually nothing good comes out of this.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

There's a difference between cultural stereotypes and pointing out an objective truth that the United States had a big problem with racism.

Sure, absolutely, but your reply here still doesn't discriminate between the statement that the U.S. has a problem with racism and the statement that "the U.S. is filled with racists" or some other statement about the wider and general population.

That's typically my point, but here on these boards, Facebook or Twitter you get replies that never discriminate between the two. And so it becomes evidence that the people who make statements like that are actually a significant part of the problem.`

The country is not filled with racists. People who conduct themselves on the public forums with those thoughts are just saying words from their own, singular perspective and that right there should indicate the problem. The country is not filled with racists.

[Andrew NDB]

So I saw this the other day, how Robert Duncan McNeill (Paris from VOY, whose performances I always enjoyed) was almost on Picard season 1 and was asked to be on Picard season 2 and IS in Lower Decks season 2:

https://www.dailystartreknews.com/re...1-as-tom-paris

This got me to wonder, idly. Cool. But... why Paris (and a straight white male, no less -- not exactly fitting the mold of either STD or STP and hell, Picard himself wasn't even allowed to be human anymore on these things to get around it) and not, say, B'Elanna? Or Paris AND B'Elanna? I actually enjoyed B'Elanna and her arc more than Paris. Also, B'Elanna was conspicuously absent from the Star Trek Online Delta Quadrant campaign when Paris and practically everyone else apart from Mulgrew (who I suspect simply wasn't in their price range) was invited to that and was a part of it. Weird, right?

Then I figured it out. While Robert Duncan McNeill parrots the latest CNN/anti-Trump stuff on his Twitter (often tagging Alex Kurtzman in them), Roxann Dawson (B'Elanna) is an unabashed republican. And that's a non-starter of course, for the same reason you'll never see Reginald Barclay ever appear in any Star Trek again (unless they bring him back with another actor to get killed off on screen like they did with Icheb, whose actor was another republican who said things TPTB don't like on Twitter).

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/co...urned_you_off/

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07/...-and-adoption/

[Vegita-San]

Dawson just got even hotter than she already was. at least we know she's normal and not a SJW.

Pretty sad that they can openly discriminate against people. the folks who want everyone else to be open and accepting :/.

[Galactus]

I just looked at her twitter. I scrolled down a fair bit but couldn't see anything especially political. Correct me if I'm wrong but I imagine she's a fairly moderate conservative. I think if she'd said anything particularly extreme I would have heard about it.

There's a difference between disagreeing about how taxes should work and the role the state should play in various issues vs disagreeing about chem trails and school shootings being false flags etc.

No one has ever said that Dwight Schultz is not allowed on Star Trek but I wouldn't be surprised if his extremist views barred him but I doubt anyone would have an issue with Roxanne Dawson's political views. Jeri Ryan was also a Republican...heck she was married to Paul Ryan and she's welcome. I know she supported Hillary Clinton (and I assume Biden) but I get the impression from her social media that was because Trump was a step too far for her rather than being a genuine convert the mildly left wing American Democrat party.

Robert Duncan Mcneil is bigger deal as a director, still has a cult following and kept well in with the Star Trek people. I would assume that's why he's been approached and not Roxanne.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Dawson just got even hotter than she already was. at least we know she's normal and not a SJW.

Pretty sad that they can openly discriminate against people. the folks who want everyone else to be open and accepting :/.

Huge fan of Rosario Dawson... huge. She's a raging babe and appears to be a well balanced person in general. Raging babe.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Huge fan of Rosario Dawson... huge. She's a raging babe and appears to be a well balanced person in general. Raging babe.

Wrong Dawson although I love Rosario. Suprised you think she's a well balanced person. She was a huge Bernie supporter, attended some protests when he didn't get the nomination and even got herself arrested. Given her political views I would have thought you'd have her pegged as some far left radical.

I was perplexed by her relationship with Corey Booker since he was the exact kind of supposed 'moderate' that she felt was everything wrong with the Democrat party. Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

I've heard him speak enough to definitely say that term would apply to him. Reparations, UBI, all that stuff.

Had no idea about Rosario and him. Surprising, but also not. Still love her.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Wrong Dawson although I love Rosario. Suprised you think she's a well balanced person. She was a huge Bernie supporter, attended some protests when he didn't get the nomination and even got herself arrested. Given her political views I would have thought you'd have her pegged as some far left radical.

I was perplexed by her relationship with Corey Booker since he was the exact kind of supposed 'moderate' that she felt was everything wrong with the Democrat party. Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

I did think we were talking about Rosario, but here's the thing about her - regardless of her political leanings I haven't heard too much of her word vomit which means that she's balanced by and large against the people who talk loud nowadays.

I think this speaks to your assessment of me more than it speaks to my assessment of her... Don't try to guess the reality of where I fall on the spectrum of anything in life. You are a Technodrome poster who speaks in blanket statements and polarizing views on everything, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing more. You only think I do the same, but again that speaks to you, not to me.