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Race-swapping is not a diversity.
Creating new interesting character of other races is diversity. |
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Your statement implies that one negates the other, and it does not. I'm not saying race-swapping is the best way to bring diversity, but it actually is one way. And if the actor is right for the job, then that's just a "plus". At the end of the day, there are more white superheroes. So they are casting some of them as black. It's not about erasing white people from pop culture. (Your post doesn't imply that, but before anyone gets carried away with my post, I want to reiterate that's where I'm coming from.) Last edited by AquaParade; 07-22-2021 at 10:47 AM. |
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And that's why people are angry. So diversity is fine but again - stop overriding existing characters and create new ones. Static Shock is awesome. John Stewart is awesome. Jim Rhodes is awesome. And all of these characters were around long before these movements and assaults of the last several years. Replacing a white character with a black one is literally erasing white people from pop culture, dude. That's literally what it is. The white person is gone, the black person is there. Creating a new black character or using an old one that stands next to a white character is literally adding diversity. I mean the evidence is built into both the wording and the action for Christ's sake, dude. |
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It's also because you can't do the opposite.
Imagine if they made a new movie where Cyborg was played by a white actor. The backlash would be huge because Cyborg has been around since the 80's. Imagine if Static Shock, John Stewart, Storm from X-men, etc. were all suddenly white. People would be outraged. |
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I mean, I guess. If you want to die on that hill you can, but when it happens so rarely and there are so many white characters anyway, I don't really see it as an issue. And you're right, some people would be outraged if the opposite happened, but you know what? Two things: 1. I'd think they're just as stupid for being outraged. Honestly, "the reverse would happen too!" isn't a good reason to defend something stupid. Cast a white Cyborg and you won't see me cry. I'm not thinking on behalf of the dummies who will. 2. I'd probably cut those dummies just a little slack, seeing as the strong majority of popular characters in comic books are white, not black. I can name ten to one popular white characters for the list Cubed probably just struggled to come up with. That's not my opinion, it's just the playing field we are on. There are way less black characters, so maybe it's nice to get some skin color diversity in there. And Static Shock is an effin dork. Nobody wants him. Give him to the Spanish people. They are desperate and have slim pickings right now. Somebody give them a Spider-Man 2099 movie. I just think it's silly to act like white people are being erased out of pop culture. Again, referring to my examples of white movie stars leading the biggest films in Hollywood. The top grossing films in Hollywood have white leads, for the most part. The recent ones. Sort of hard to look at that and go "we're being erased!" Last edited by AquaParade; 07-22-2021 at 01:55 PM. |
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nobody wants a white cyborg, a white shredder though. perhaps.
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"Whi-Borg."
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07-22-2021, 05:02 PM | #49 |
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To clarify, when I said "my people" were being gentrified out of pop culture, I specifically meant people of Celtic descent, not "white people" in general.
And it's not open for debate, it's a f*cking statement of fact. Pick any redheaded character and/or one with an Irish/Scottish surname, 99% chance they'll be black or Hispanic in the next movie or TV show adaptation. It's happened so many times over the last few years that it's only a shock if they DON'T race-flip them. Black Widow's like the last one standing, and 1. She's dead, and 2. If they'd cast her even two years later than they did, she'd be black. Whether or not there's a concentrated effort to "erase white people" in pop culture is a conversation, but whether or not they're trying to erase Celtic people is not. It's a simple statement of fact. It happens way too specifically and consistently to be any sort of coincidence.
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Since Batgirl is black in this and Batman is white, does that mean we'll get the first interracial sex scene in a DC movie?
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He has got to be that kid in grammar school who was proven wrong in conversation countless times but yelled at his perceived adversary saying "PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS AND OPINIONS ARE NEVER WRONG!" as final word on the matter, and then ran away only to later talk **** about the guy he yelled it. Only all the $#!( he talked was from his own weird perception. Meanwhile everyone else who understood the greater point just went "uh, yeah man, absolutely". Aqua, compared to many of the other people here with weird and oddly precise, unwavering and misfounded opinions; I love ya man. But you definitely look at the info in your own way, pal. Might be more revealing that you view it this way. I don't think that most normal people run around living by, and form opinions dictated by anger over trivial social equity. But you do believe that, clearly! Where are you coming from there personally, man? |
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I don’t know anything about the Celtic thing you are referring to, but I’m intrigued. My first thought is it sounds sort of conspiracy theory like. I mean, it would have to be a concentrated effort and it’s not like one person is in charge of Hollywood. Who’s agenda is this and why? Again, not saying you’re wrong. I’m self-proclaimed clueless as to the circumstances of this issue, but it’s interesting. IMJ, you do you. Not touching that pile of sale with a ten foot pole. Maybe when you cool down. Last edited by AquaParade; 07-22-2021 at 05:44 PM. |
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I don't know the "Why" of it myself, I just know it happens too often to ignore.
April O'Neil, Jimmy Olsen, Barbara Gordon, etc. etc. etc. It's definitely become a trend. Why, who knows. It's like Eric Cartman took over Hollywood or something. "Death to all gingers!" I'm sure it'll change eventually but it's been so consistent and persistent that it's impossible to ignore. And it's super f*cking annoying.
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Like I said, the only ginger I've seen that's emerged intact (as a white person) in any TV/movie adaptations is Cheryl Blossom over on Riverdale... but they almost immediately made her into a lesbian. Like, "fine, we'll leave her white... but then we gotta LGBTQ her!"
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That doesn't count, all chicks are gay.
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Man, I remember when lesbians were cool.
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