Random Thoughts - Current Events edition

[ranger_scout]

The Second Gentleman, Doug Emhoff, has now tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doug...ovid-19-2022-3

[Leo656]

So being very sick, there's not much I can do but read. And going by my news feed, a LOT of people think it's SUPER important that we need to start talking to 5-year old kids about Gay and Transgender stuff, and if you don't think so you're a monster.

I'm talking of course about the bill in Florida, the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill which is expected to pass soon. For those unaware, the specifics of it are that it would be officially offsides to talk about Gay and Transgender stuff with kids who are in Kindergarten through Third Grade. Meaning kids aged 4 through 8, give or take. That's all.

And yet... People seem REALLY mad about this. I was making soup the other night and I saw that John Oliver guy giving himself a stroke about it, saying it was awful and that Disney are evil for not taking a stand against it and "people are going to die" if the bill passes. And scrolling through my feed a LOT of people seem to feel the same way.

There's SO much wrong with that hyperbolic nonsense I don't even know where to start.

For one thing, 5 and 6 and 7 year old kids are NOT killing themselves because "nobody will let them be gay or trans". Zero. Kids that little don't know or understand ANY of that stuff. And even if you put it in their heads, they STILL don't have anywhere close to an actual understanding of it. They are not "at risk". This is gay and trans grown-ups projecting THEIR insecurities and hardships onto young children whose main concern is not being seen eating boogers. Teens and adults being suicidal because their "identity is being erased", I can believe. Kindergarten kids who just want to play with blocks and Play-Doh until it's time to go home and watch cartoons? No.

Furthermore, I can't even believe this is a conversation. It wasn't all that long ago that there was a push to introduce "general" Sex Education to kids as young as Kindergarten, and it was quickly shouted down - rightly so - because such topics are simply NOT appropriate for kids at that age. They weren't even pushing to teach kids about Gay or trans stuff, just the idea of "basic" Sex Ed for 5-year olds, and at that time common sense took hold and people collectively said, "That is NOT age-appropriate, period."

Back in my day, if you even SUGGESTED teaching these topics to kids in Grade K-3, you'd be labeled a deviant and maybe even locked up. Because WHO but a f*cking lunatic thinks that's appropriate? Straight, gay, whatever... They're too young to process it.

In my school district, we had two separate Sex Ed chapters; the first was a few weeks in 6th Grade Health, and again in 9th Grade. This is fine, this is appropriate. Kids in 6th Grade are entering puberty, their bodies and lives are changing and they naturally have a lot of questions. Likewise, most kids in 9th Grade are at least experimenting with sex and therefore need to be prepared so that they don't get pregnant/get someone pregnant, or else catch/spread a disease. As far as I'm concerned, the more information these kids get, the better... WHEN it is age-appropriate to do so.

I'll admit, our schools' Sex Ed spent hardly any time on gay stuff, and zero time at all on Trans stuff, but you have to remember it was the 90s. Parents back then were a lot more outspoken about not wanting their kids to be gay, and the idea was that "teaching them that it's an option will make them want to do it". Which... May or may not actually have some merit, although to say so out loud is controversial. I do know for a fact that when it came to "regular" sex, it was definitely true. The kids who learned the What and the How went about putting it into practice right away. Even at the 6th grade level, where the education was mostly about masturbation, wet dreams, and girls getting their periods, you had kids sneaking off in the woods after school to "fool around" just as soon as they knew the basic mechanics. So there is SOME merit to the idea that kids will copy what they see even when they shouldn't, or don't understand what they're doing, or whatever.

The whole thing just seems ludicrous, to me. Kids in Grades K-3 have NO business learning about anything sexual, outside of "Only your doctor and your parents should ever see or touch your privates." That's it, that's all.

And if it's about "teaching kids not to be homophobes" or whatever, that should start at home by parents setting an example. Don't use slurs in front of your kid, don't laugh or act disgusted if there's gay people on TV, things like that. It doesn't need to be taxpayer-funded curriculum, not at that age. Kids that age need to focus on reading, writing, and math. "If you'd like to suck a dick, that's Perfectly Fine" should NOT be part of their homework packet at that age, and if you think it does then I'm suspicious of your motives.

My parents were very sexual people ("Free Love" hippies who slept around a lot), but were very shy about discussing these topics with their own children. In my case, what they did was leave a contemporary book about everything to do with sexuality - with full illustrations - sitting in a prominent position on our family bookshelf. They knew I'd see it, and likewise, if I ever got "curious" enough that I'd read it, and when I was about 8 or 9 that's what happened. At which point, they noticed the book was missing from the shelf and decided to awkwardly ask if I had any questions about what I'd read. I didn't really, just a few general ones like "When am I gonna get hair?" and stuff. The book, to its credit, was VERY comprehensive. To the point where the next year when we had Sex Ed in school it was rather redundant, for me. I already knew way more than they were teaching me.

So if we want to talk about "normalizing" things, I'd argue that home is a better place than school. It worked well for me. That book was where I learned "gay people exist, and that's okay", and it did a better job of reinforcing the message than a schoolteacher likely would have. Granted, it was a small section of the book, but it was written in like the early-80s so just the fact that they'd go there was pretty progressive. For my part, it was information I shrugged off because it simply wasn't relevant to me. But it's good that it was in there, sure.

But again, I was like 9, reading a book meant for kids around age 10 and up. That's normal and appropriate. I think by that age, you absolutely should be getting as comprehensive as possible with this stuff, sure. At home, at school... Once they're of an appropriate age, fine.

But making it a goddamn CRUSADE to teach 5-year olds about Gay sh*t and trans sh*t? Jesus, what is WRONG with some people? That's way offsides, I'm sorry. And it has nothing - NOTHING! - to do with "bigotry" and "erasure" and everything to do with "MANY things are not age-appropriate for very young children, and this happens to be a case of that."

Like I said, why this is even a CONVERSATION, let alone a goddamn CRUSADE where people are screaming at Disney for not wanting to take a stand about it, just blows my goddamn mind. News Flash: Disney has operations all over the world, and MOST of the world thinks these aren't age-appropriate topics for little kids. They're just protecting their bottom line, like any huge corporation. Frankly, if people want to scream about Disney "being evil" or "protecting hateful people", they might want to start with how much of their products are produced through literal slave labor, often involving very young children. "Fight the real enemy", y'know? The fact that Disney profits from actual child slave labor is WAY worse than the fact that they gave money to politicians who don't want to teach Kindergarten kids about Gay stuff. I mean come on.

The whole thing is just bonkers. "We NEED to talk to kids who are just learning shapes and colors about how it's okay if boys wanna kiss boys and girls wanna kiss girls!" No, we actually do not. They'll figure it out. Let them be kids for a while first. That's not "hate", that's common f*cking sense.

[Andrew NDB]

"But what if you have a transgender 6 year-old in school? Shouldn't they feel like they exist and matter?"

Let's make it really, really simple. If you have a transgender 6 year-old at all, you belong in prison. Flat out.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

For one thing, 5 and 6 and 7 year old kids are NOT killing themselves because "nobody will let them be gay or trans". Zero. Kids that little don't know or understand ANY of that stuff. And even if you put it in their heads, they STILL don't have anywhere close to an actual understanding of it. They are not "at risk". This is gay and trans grown-ups projecting THEIR insecurities and hardships onto young children whose main concern is not being seen eating boogers. Teens and adults being suicidal because their "identity is being erased", I can believe. Kindergarten kids who just want to play with blocks and Play-Doh until it's time to go home and watch cartoons? No.

As always, grown up imbeciles, who have inferior complex, project their issues on others and make life worse for everyone involved.

It is indeed sick and awful. And I find rather ironic, that back in the day, the whole idea of a modern childhood, was that kids should be, well, kids, doing kids stuff without burden of adult world.

But nowadays, bunch of mentally ill sexually bothered lunatics want to push their problems onto their heads and drag them in the world of adult problems or rather world of mentally ill freaks, who think that chopping off your body parts is a good answer for their ailment.
Pathetic.

[Leo656]

Andrew: Y e a h... Like, WHERE are they learning that stuff at that age?

I remember being 6 more vividly than most people. What we did with our genitals was not a priority.

ONE person I went to Kindergarten with "came out" to a mutual friend in high school, saying they felt like they were trans and that was why they were such an asshole to everyone (this boy - at the time - was heavily disliked by everyone for being a huge bully and pathological liar). But given the fact that they were, indeed, a pathological liar and a massive attention whore, said mutual friend did not put much stock in it. Word kind of got around, and we all just figured the kid was making up stories for sympathy. This was a kid who would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth, so we all just figured they were being "outrageous" for attention. Years later, they actually had the surgery and went the whole nine yards, and supposedly they're much happier now. I've occasionally touched base with them once in a while, but they're still prone to being a huge liar so I mostly just leave them alone. Apparently breast implants didn't fix the mountain of other personality flaws they had and continue to have. At least they're living "their truth" now, so if they're happy then fine.

But point being, they didn't have their "revelation" until they were almost an adult. Now, is there a chance they might have had an inkling long before, and that in turn was why they acted out the way they did in their youth? Maybe, but I'd argue it still didn't justify or excuse it. They were never a bullied kid, always the bully, so they could never even claim that they were put down or treated bad, at least not by their peers (I'd heard their Dad was abusive though so that may have been a factor). It did reach a point where they had no friends, but again, that was because they treated everyone like sh*t over a dozen years to the point nobody wanted to be around them. I get that if you're "dealing with sh*t" it can make you act out, but I don't fully think that was the case. I frankly think they were just a general sociopath with a LOT of mental health issues, and that gender dysphoria was just the cherry on top. Plenty of us TRIED to be their friend, he (it was "he" when we knew him so that's what I'm going with) simply made it impossible. I actually stuck it out with them more than anyone else, until I found out he robbed me one time and that was the final straw.

I mean, if you're "confused", then fine, if your parent is abusive, fine... If you go out into the world and be an overt asshole, no matter what your issues are... I don't really feel sorry for you. It doesn't cost anything to be nice, or honest. I was abused, too, I was (and am) still nice to people 99% of the time. Using your "damage" to explain why you were a dick to people your whole life... It doesn't wash, with me.

Anyway, yeah, they definitely were not openly "struggling with their identity" in K-3. I was his "best friend" at that point, and aside from the constant lying all he wanted to talk about was Nintendo games and how Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior were so much cooler than Hulk Hogan. "Normal Kid Sh*t". Everything else came way later. I sincerely don't think having a teacher talk to him about being trans at THAT age would have made a difference. At 10 or 11 or 12, yeah, fine. Even if they did know they were "different" at age 5, I doubt they had the mental faculties to process any of it. And they were a smart kid, actually the highest-testing in our class. Graduated from high school two years early, even. Technically brilliant, just... A HUGE liar. But definitely not "a dumb kid".

But for all that brilliance, when we were 6 I'd still catch them eating boogers. So I doubt a whole curriculum on gay and trans stuff would have sunk in just yet, regardless of what came later.

I DO feel like there maybe should have been more help and resources available to them upon hitting puberty so that they would have struggled less - they made mention of feeling trans to one person in high school but didn't transition until they were around 30, so obviously it was a process with much uncertainty along the way - but that's a whole other story.

Considering all the times this same kid called me a "f*gg*t" when we were kids, it's clear they had some bad wiring in their head all along. But I'm not sure how much of it would have been alleviated by having "Okay To Be Gay" worksheets in Kindergarten.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Sumac

As always, grown up imbeciles, who have inferior complex, project their issues on others and make life worse for everyone involved.

It is indeed sick and awful. And I find rather ironic, that back in the day, the whole idea of a modern childhood, was that kids should be, well, kids, doing kids stuff without burden of adult world.

But nowadays, bunch of mentally ill sexually bothered lunatics want to push their problems onto their heads and drag them in the world of adult problems or rather world of mentally ill freaks, who think that chopping off your body parts is a good answer for their ailment.
Pathetic.

I feel like there's truth to that.

As mentioned, my parents were very sexual. But my mother had a HUGE problem with me ever seeing my Dad's porn, which I did often because he left it laying around, or in the VCR, or whatever. To be fair, I was a bit of an "early bloomer", in that even though I had NO understanding of "sex" by age 4, I knew I liked naked women. I didn't understand why that was "bad", because again, I didn't understand "sex". I just knew I liked boobs.

My dad was fine with it; he had the typical father's relief of "at least he isn't gay". My mom, though, was adamant. "He's just a kid! He doesn't need to see that stuff! He's gonna turn out to be a huge sick pervert, like YOU!" They'd have huge fights about it. To her credit, I did, in fact, turn out to be a "huge sick pervert" so perhaps there was some wisdom in her words. And that's why I am kind of sensitive to the fact that what you present to very young kids may in fact "push" them one way or the other. As a kid, I was on my Dad's side - "So what? They're just boobs!" But as an adult, yeah, maybe 4 was too young to see Playboy. Maybe 7 was too young to see that very graphic video of the two chicks going down on each other that Dad left in the VCR. Like, I didn't turn into a rapist or anything, but I'd concede that there is a decent chance that being exposed to such things at such a young age caused me to both "blossom" early and also become AS perverted as I am. Like, I'll never say it had NO effect, y'know?

My mom was no prude. No way! She'd been to her share of orgies in her day, as I've heard it told (although that may be BS, too; I know of one incident but as I understood it she was drugged and raped. The rest may have been just vindictive people making up tales to slander her, for all I know. I do know that she had sex with a lot of people, regardless). She just didn't want her kid to turn out to be a huge pervert. It's a valid concern many parents share. And there is evidence that introducing certain things to kids before they're mentally equipped to process them can have lifelong effects.

Used to be common sense. Now? I don't know.

[Andrew NDB]

[Leo656]

Don't work, fam.

Guess I could watch it on YouTube.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Andrew: Y e a h... Like, WHERE are they learning that stuff at that age?...

There are some studies, which link being trans to various stages of autism and other behavioral problems, like sociopathy.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ah, yes, chorus of Gay Men, singing how they gonna come to your children. At least three of them were convicted pedophiles and molesters.

Nice message, LGB+ community. I am sure, it is ensuring to all those who link Gays to pedophilia and rape, that you are safest people on Earth.
Otherwise known, how to make satire horribly wrong.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Sumac

There are some studies, which link being trans to various stages of autism and other behavioral problems, like sociopathy.

I mean, I can definitely believe it in at least some cases but I also get why it's one of those "you can't say that out loud" kind of things.

I guess it's kinda like how "Not EVERY woman who does porn was molested as a child or raped as a teenager"... except for the fact that, y'know, yeah, they were. Every single one.

Did you know that one of the most-cited "Previous Careers" for many porn actresses was "Kindergarten Teacher"? I'm sure there's something else to be gleaned from that little nugget of information as well but I'll be damned I know exactly what it is.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, I can definitely believe it in at least some cases but I also get why it's one of those "you can't say that out loud" kind of things.

I guess it's kinda like how "Not EVERY woman who does porn was molested as a child or raped as a teenager"... except for the fact that, y'know, yeah, they were. Every single one.

Did you know that one of the most-cited "Previous Careers" for many porn actresses was "Kindergarten Teacher"? I'm sure there's something else to be gleaned from that little nugget of information as well but I'll be damned I know exactly what it is.

There's also this weird influx of mostly attractive teachers that bone their grade school students. I don't get why it's that way with women, you don't often heard of handsome male teachers doing that, it's always the ugly fat old creeper dudes doing it.

Or idk maybe it's darker than that. Maybe handsome teachers do bone the girls and they're just better at keeping it quiet unlike the male students that brag to everyone about ****ing the teacher that gets them caught a lot easier?

[Leo656]

The only "handsome" male teacher at my high school who got caught f*cking a student, the girl had been telling her friends all year that she wasn't gonna stop trying until she got him to f*ck her. She put her plan into motion and eventually succeeded.

She got a couple of months suspension to let the heat die down and "protect her reputation" (what?). Basically they didn't want kids to pick on her for being a homewrecking slut.

Guy's wife left him, he lost his job, ended up working at some supermarket, then lost THAT job when kids from school kept showing up at work to harass him.

Kinda doesn't seem like everything was entirely fair and balanced in that situation.

Little slut was hot, though. She was a grade ahead of me. I had no idea who she was until she came back to school and everyone was whispering in the hallways. I'm like "THAT's the girl? .......Okay, I kinda get it."

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, I can definitely believe it in at least some cases but I also get why it's one of those "you can't say that out loud" kind of things.

Which pisses me off: instead of helping those people for real and solving their problems, politicians and activists just want everyone to pretend that problem is something else and "solve" it, preferably their way.
Hypocrisy of the highest order.

[Leo656]

It probably doesn't do a lot to fix the real underlying issues, no. As I've mentioned, many doctors and therapists off-the-record supposedly claim that their concerns are that many trans people have deeper issues that aren't being fully addressed because the trans identity part gets all the focus.

I mean, I won't argue with anyone who says More Research Needed.

[Andrew NDB]

There is no research, there is only the constant pointing to, "But they're gonna kill themselves in droves!"

Yet the data post-transition is, nope, they are definitely more likely to kill themselves then. Probably when their fantasy didn't meet the reality and they've already did their curtain reveal, and they had nobody giving them a reality check on expectations prior to that. Particularly with people pumping themselves with "opposite" hormones out of the blue because of a gut feeling.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There is no research, there is only the constant pointing to, "But they're gonna kill themselves in droves!"

Yet the data post-transition is, nope, they are definitely more likely to kill themselves then. Probably when their fantasy didn't meet the reality and they've already did their curtain reveal, and they had nobody giving them a reality check on expectations prior to that. Particularly with people pumping themselves with "opposite" hormones out of the blue because of a gut feeling.

Yup, I can't even imagine what its like, when trans activists and doctors on the net had convinced you that you will become a REAL woman post-op, but you end up looking in the mirror and still see a man, but with a mutilated body and no way back to a normal life.

At this point you either off yourself or double down on your insanity, trying to shut down everyone who point out disconnect between reality and your delusions. Which is why I feel that a lot of trans who prance around screaming that "they feel like real women" and "they are happy" are liars, since a lot of this looks too forced and more like very enthusiastic denial, since alternate - is just too admit that are a delusional fool who ruined your body for nothing.

[Leo656]

Is there any consensus yet on whether or not it's weird to jerk off to older pictures of Ellen Page? As in specifically when they were "Ellen Page".

I guess it's kinda like jerking off to Jane Fonda in "Barbarella"; you're not looking at what they look like Now, you're looking at them Then and so it's okay. Still... I don't know, for some reason... kinda weird.

I'unno just curious what the temperature was on that one.

[Sumac]

Page's cute, but ****ing insane.
Or just attention seeking fool. First, she was a Lesbian, than when she realized it was not anything special anymore, she has became trans. I am sure, if SJW will come up with a new oppressed category to supersede trans, she will proclaim she is that thing.

For better or worse, superseding trans insanity will be hard, because, it so out there, that most people won't ever accept it, even with massive propaganda from media.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Is there any consensus yet on whether or not it's weird to jerk off to older pictures of Ellen Page? As in specifically when they were "Ellen Page".

I guess it's kinda like jerking off to Jane Fonda in "Barbarella"; you're not looking at what they look like Now, you're looking at them Then and so it's okay. Still... I don't know, for some reason... kinda weird.

I'unno just curious what the temperature was on that one.

I mean, if I was on Twitter (which I know you're not, I'm just saying) it would pretty much be career suicide to admit you still jerk off to Ellen, but you might earn 'stunning and brave' points if you jerk it to Elliot.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I mean, if I was on Twitter (which I know you're not, I'm just saying) it would pretty much be career suicide to admit you still jerk off to Ellen, but you might earn 'stunning and brave' points if you jerk it to Elliot.

Basically like some SJW infested places - you can openly lust and discuss everything about men, including size of their dicks and the like, but if you try to say something about women - it is immediately counted as "objectification".
Of course, lusting after trans is even more "honorable" in SJW logic.