FOREVER WAR - now it depends on YOU! - Page 18

*Leo656* · 03-25-2022, 09:15 PM

The book started to really lose some people when the Turtles started going on adventures all over the world and the book got VERY preachy about the same "The world is gonna end in ten years if we don't all recycle Right Now" stuff that we're currently being fed. It went over the heads of the little kids who just wanted straightforward action stories, and some of their parents were really upset about them being "indoctrinated" by stuff like that and all the time spent talking about other cultures and religions and whatnot.

Didn't actually bother ME so much, but there were some times where as a result of these things the book felt like it lost a bit of focus. Selfishly I couldn't wait for the Turtles to get back to NYC and start having more conventional adventures again. Later on I had a bit more patience for the stuff, but at age 7 it felt a bit "off".

Another controversial bit was when Ninjara got written in and became the fifth member of the gang for almost the entire rest of the run. There had been some to-do in the letters page about "needing a girl mutant in there" so little girls could "be represented" (little girls apparently didn't like April much since she'd typically just been a Damsel or Plot Device, which is fair criticism), so I assume that Ninjara was created to quiet some of those concerns/complaints. And *I* thought she was fine but it was very controversial all the same; statistics showed that "little girls" never really jumped onto the book ANYWAY even after Ninjara was put in there, and a ton of the boys were simply put off by having "the bad boy" Turtle they all liked so much suddenly playing kissy-face with a furry.

You'll still find a lot of hate for the book to this day, and a lot of that stuff tends to be why. Now again, for me, personally, it's my favorite TMNT comic but I have to chalk a lot of that up to the fact that I was a kid when I first read it and thus have a strong sentimental attachment to it. In a vacuum, there's a lot about it that a person can rightly say isn't great or could be better - Ninjara, herself, being Pretty Evil upon her introduction and then suddenly Not Evil Because Plot was pretty ass, and her dumping Raph in the end while making it out like she was the victim and he was wrong when she was openly c*ck-teasing another guy right in front of him for several issues in a row never sat well with me at all.

BUT, I'd argue that it ultimately had more Good than Bad, and that the Bad wasn't really all THAT bad. But it's also interesting to note that some of the very same things people complain about Right Now in TMNT comics aren't even new. Even back then there were complaints about the book losing focus, "I don't want any romance in TMNT", etc. etc. I'd argue that those complaints are more apt Right Now than Back Then, but they're definitely not brand new complaints.

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Their return story was good though. It featured Slash, an action figure accurate wild and crazy violent Slash, not the buck toothed idiot from the cartoon, and we had the Turtles actually be proactive for a change and purposely seek out the Shredder to defeat him once and for all.

Oh yeah, I won't argue. The Archie book treated the FW characters and concepts way better than the cartoon show ever did. I don't see how that's even a debate. It's just that the comic did a good job standing on its own outside of being trapped within the cartoon concepts, to the point where while it was nice they were included the book didn't exactly "need" them anymore.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-26-2022, 12:06 AM

Myself... I've always been against TMNT jambalaya. But I do have an affinity for the Archie material. And when IDW began, for a good long while it seemed like they were embracing a Mirage-level flavor and level of violence and such but while incorporating SOME things that may work from this or that spinoff thing, but in adult fashion. So that was interesting to me. And I actually find the reincarnation angle fascinating as a premise for the TMNT. But as soon as it became clear the Turtles weren't working up to actually killing and being ninjas... I kinda tuned out. And even after it seemed clear no killing was a must... suddenly tons more Fred Wolf cartoon stuff, and this and that. I saw which way the weather was moving. It was fine, but clearly not for me.

darthsmozers · 03-28-2022, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Doing an occasional cover is all I recall. There were those gorgeous covers from them early on.

As well as those epic Future Shark Trilogy covers.
And to this day the 1492 cover still has a special place in my heart.

ShaneHero · 04-04-2022, 05:21 PM

What’s the best way for me to pay for copies of the Forever War books at this stage?
I’ve tried to email Arseniy a few times, but haven’t heard back. I’m guessing he is understandably busy with other things.
I’m really excited for this project so I just want to make sure I can pay for it and get some copies!

*Andrew NDB* · 04-04-2022, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaneHero

What’s the best way for me to pay for copies of the Forever War books at this stage?

You don't. There isn't any way to send money to Russia right now. But hang tight. This won't last forever.

Topsu · 04-05-2022, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This won't last forever.

Unless it's Forever war.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-05-2022, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Topsu

Unless it's Forever war.

I feel like there are two different things that the universe conspires against to prevent them from existing in full: Spring football leagues in the USA and the publication of the Forever War. Every time significant progress gets made to establishing/re-establishing them, something incredible happens to impede the progress and potentially sap away its momentum.

Rhio2k · 06-26-2022, 09:16 AM

Been busy with life stuff, has issue 5 dropped yet?

*Coola Yagami* · 06-26-2022, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhio2k

Been busy with life stuff, has issue 5 dropped yet?

Issue 5??? What about the first 4 issues?????

rs_jr · 06-26-2022, 08:10 PM

Andrew - is it still possible to pick these issues up?
Thanks

Demon-Alukard · 07-14-2022, 12:12 PM

Hey, guys! Here is the current status for all TMNT projects:

The Forever War -- pencils are done by Chris Allan, the whole story is lettered. Inks in progress, for now done two parts of five. Coloring also in work. Also there will be two backup story - one from Jim Lawson (as soon as he'll finish artwork for Andrew Modeen's 'The Shredder'). Another one by Chris. Aaaaaand maybe... another one by Ken Mitchroney!

Also I'm working on the inks for 'The Shredder'. It's coming as fast as I can and I hope to see both books in this year.

TMNT: The Origin Ultimate edition is almost ready for the printer. Some pages need to be colored. As well as Italian Las Tortugas Ninja Book 2 -- it's completed and ready for print.

Some worldwide situation makes problems for payments/shipping, but I'll figure out something by the time when the books will be done. Sorry if I'm not respond on your messages for a while -- I see them all and will answer for sure.

P.S. Here is a little sneak peak from the last chapter.

teacher fan · 07-14-2022, 01:32 PM

Really looking forward to seeing this project. I ordered my copy via Paypal back in late 2019, but I know the wait will be worth it. Loved how TMNT Odyssey wrapped up the Mirage universe, so I'm interested to see how this final curtain call to the Archie universe goes.

member_removed · 07-15-2022, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Demon-Alukard

Hey, guys! Here is the current status for all TMNT projects:

The Forever War -- pencils are done by Chris Allan, the whole story is lettered. Inks in progress, for now done two parts of five. Coloring also in work. Also there will be two backup story - one from Jim Lawson (as soon as he'll finish artwork for Andrew Modeen's 'The Shredder'). Another one by Chris. Aaaaaand maybe... another one by Ken Mitchroney!

Also I'm working on the inks for 'The Shredder'. It's coming as fast as I can and I hope to see both books in this year.

TMNT: The Origin Ultimate edition is almost ready for the printer. Some pages need to be colored. As well as Italian Las Tortugas Ninja Book 2 -- it's completed and ready for print.

Some worldwide situation makes problems for payments/shipping, but I'll figure out something by the time when the books will be done. Sorry if I'm not respond on your messages for a while -- I see them all and will answer for sure.

P.S. Here is a little sneak peak from the last chapter.

http://turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_...fw_sneak11.jpg

Worth the wait

*Andrew NDB* · 07-15-2022, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Demon-Alukard

Aaaaaand maybe... another one by Ken Mitchroney!

I'm personally very excited about this piece.

Topsu · 07-15-2022, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Demon-Alukard

Sorry if I'm not respond on your messages for a while -- I see them all and will answer for sure.

Nice to hear, hoping for a way to get that Origin book, other stuff I've already "ordered".

Rhio2k · 08-31-2022, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Issue 5??? What about the first 4 issues?????

Uh, I don't know how to tell you this, bro...

https://i.ibb.co/6rV1r8X/20220831-065617.jpg

You might be a little late.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-17-2022, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhio2k

Uh, I don't know how to tell you this, bro...

https://i.ibb.co/6rV1r8X/20220831-065617.jpg

You might be a little late.

WTF????? I thought this whole time was for them to finally release.... anything. Is there anyway to still get these issues???

Lordmylar06 · 12-02-2022, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

WTF????? I thought this whole time was for them to finally release.... anything. Is there anyway to still get these issues???

Unfortunately, unless you want to pay an egregious amount for a copy on eBay, the best advice is patience. I have full faith that we'll have access to order and receive this again someday, and at a reasonable price.

*Chris* · 12-02-2022, 07:44 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the ashcan editions have come out? Not even the colour issues yet.

If I recall correctly there will be a chance to order the full colour collected edition at a later point? It's been a while so I might be remembering wrong.

*oldmanwinters* · 12-02-2022, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the ashcan editions have come out? Not even the colour issues yet.

If I recall correctly there will be a chance to order the full colour collected edition at a later point? It's been a while so I might be remembering wrong.

Yes, only ashcans 1-4 have circulated, so far as I know.

03-26-2022, 12:06 AM	#342
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,251	Myself... I've always been against TMNT jambalaya. But I do have an affinity for the Archie material. And when IDW began, for a good long while it seemed like they were embracing a Mirage-level flavor and level of violence and such but while incorporating SOME things that may work from this or that spinoff thing, but in adult fashion. So that was interesting to me. And I actually find the reincarnation angle fascinating as a premise for the TMNT. But as soon as it became clear the Turtles weren't working up to actually killing and being ninjas... I kinda tuned out. And even after it seemed clear no killing was a must... suddenly tons more Fred Wolf cartoon stuff, and this and that. I saw which way the weather was moving. It was fine, but clearly not for me. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-26-2022, 08:10 PM	#350
rs_jr Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 39	Andrew - is it still possible to pick these issues up? Thanks Last edited by rs_jr; 06-27-2022 at 10:30 PM.

04-04-2022, 05:21 PM	#344
ShaneHero Mouser Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 6	What’s the best way for me to pay for copies of the Forever War books at this stage? I’ve tried to email Arseniy a few times, but haven’t heard back. I’m guessing he is understandably busy with other things. I’m really excited for this project so I just want to make sure I can pay for it and get some copies!

06-26-2022, 09:16 AM	#348
Rhio2k Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 30	Been busy with life stuff, has issue 5 dropped yet?

07-14-2022, 12:12 PM	#351
Demon-Alukard Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Russia Posts: 369	Hey, guys! Here is the current status for all TMNT projects: The Forever War -- pencils are done by Chris Allan, the whole story is lettered. Inks in progress, for now done two parts of five. Coloring also in work. Also there will be two backup story - one from Jim Lawson (as soon as he'll finish artwork for Andrew Modeen's 'The Shredder'). Another one by Chris. Aaaaaand maybe... another one by Ken Mitchroney! Also I'm working on the inks for 'The Shredder'. It's coming as fast as I can and I hope to see both books in this year. TMNT: The Origin Ultimate edition is almost ready for the printer. Some pages need to be colored. As well as Italian Las Tortugas Ninja Book 2 -- it's completed and ready for print. Some worldwide situation makes problems for payments/shipping, but I'll figure out something by the time when the books will be done. Sorry if I'm not respond on your messages for a while -- I see them all and will answer for sure. P.S. Here is a little sneak peak from the last chapter.

07-14-2022, 01:32 PM	#352
teacher fan Random Punk Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 19	Really looking forward to seeing this project. I ordered my copy via Paypal back in late 2019, but I know the wait will be worth it. Loved how TMNT Odyssey wrapped up the Mirage universe, so I'm interested to see how this final curtain call to the Archie universe goes.

12-02-2022, 07:44 AM	#359
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,890	Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the ashcan editions have come out? Not even the colour issues yet. If I recall correctly there will be a chance to order the full colour collected edition at a later point? It's been a while so I might be remembering wrong.