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Old 08-11-2022, 10:03 AM   #101
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Ho ho. I owe you no such indulgence.
Right.....

I see this all the time from racists. The ole "I don't owe you an explanation" routine.

Let's be real: You have no explanation because you can't come up with a reason why race swapping a character is bad (it isn't) on a show you haven't even watched (I have), because when it comes down to it, the reason is that you just don't want to see another black person on your tv.

I mean I'm all ears if you want to provide a compelling argument. But I doubt it. To anyone who thinks it's made up, it's right here in black and white on the pages of the forum itself, in this very thread. Take your blinders off.
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Old 08-11-2022, 11:34 AM   #102
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Right.....

I see this all the time from racists. The ole "I don't owe you an explanation" routine.

Let's be real: You have no explanation because you can't come up with a reason why race swapping a character is bad (it isn't) on a show you haven't even watched (I have), because when it comes down to it, the reason is that you just don't want to see another black person on your tv.

I mean I'm all ears if you want to provide a compelling argument. But I doubt it. To anyone who thinks it's made up, it's right here in black and white on the pages of the forum itself, in this very thread. Take your blinders off.
Since you are so convinced that white people cannot determine what’s racist, here are a couple of black people who make compelling arguments against race swapping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljJzUKBEidM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiB7pE9qank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mkCNxUwXtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4henVjDtKVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivg-KwEcxz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_4ct4xFZBg
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:29 PM   #103
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you can't come up with a reason why race swapping a character is bad
No, I just know better than to engage in arguments with zealots.

See, if you're the type of person who needs it explained to them WHY race-swapping is bad - and it Is - you're not the kind of person who'd accept anything I'd say regardless.

Plenty of black people, Hispanics, and others on this forum are also outspokenly against the practice, even when it "benefits" Their People. So I guess they're all just brainwashed racists too, by your standard.

Nah, man, we're done. Your first post in many years was to call me racist, so obviously you feel pretty strongly about it despite being wrong. I know better than to indulge People Like You. You're not interested in good-faith conversation, you're just here to scold and make libelous statements. We're all on to you.

Have at it, but know that all I'm going to do is shake my head and laugh.

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Since you are so convinced that white people cannot determine what’s racist, here are a couple of black people who make compelling arguments against race swapping:
I don't have time to watch those videos, but the best argument I've seen against it so far came from a black guy on another forum. To paraphrase: "You don't 'create equality' by taking chairs from White People and giving them to Black People (or other non-whites). You simply set more chairs at the table for everyone else and the issue resolves itself."

Not surprisingly, that guy was White-splained to immediately by several well-meaning bleeding hearts, who insisted that this poor black person was just SO inundated with systemic racism that they can't even decide for themselves what's sufficiently "racist" and how best to deal with it. "Have a seat, black guy, and let US decide the proper level of moral outrage you're supposed to have!"

I cannot imagine how annoying that must be. To actually BE a minority, and to say out loud "Race-swapping is Racist and lazy and enacts no true change or improvement", and in turn to be told by a bunch of white people you're too ignorant to have any opinion on the subject.
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:43 PM   #104
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And it'd kind of be arguing the wrong point. It's not "Bad" to change the race of an established character, it's just stupid and mock-virtuous and actually sends the wrong message about the racial group you're trying to prop up as an ally. The message being: (for example) "the only way a black character can work is if they replace an existing, already popular character who is white." That's a horrible message!
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:56 PM   #105
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I cannot imagine how annoying that must be. To actually BE a minority, and to say out loud "Race-swapping is Racist and lazy and enacts no true change or improvement", and in turn to be told by a bunch of white people you're too ignorant to have any opinion on the subject.
I have the same problem with male feminists who call me a misogynist because I reject the idea of gender-swapping traditionally male characters in the name of “diversity”, even though I’m a woman.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:07 PM   #106
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I'll take that bait. Ordinarily, I'm not too fond of race swaps because they're not true to the author's original intent. Additionally, they don't often work. Take 'The Dark Tower ' as an example; Idris is a great actor, but he was absolutely the wrong choice for that role. It should've gone to a white man. As it is, they had to butcher the story to make the main character work as a black man. Does that mean a black man should not star in a western? No. It just didn't work in that particular instance.

But by your logic, I'm a racist. Is that how it's supposed to work?

On the flip side, Sam Jackson as Nick Fury was fantastic. That change didn't harm the story; it was a different way of looking at that character.
I'd say Sam Jackson doesn't count cause he's the Ultimate version of Nick who was always purposely designed to look like or pay homage to Sam Jackson.

Now if the Ultimate Universe never existed......
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:59 PM   #107
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Crap. I forgot about the Ultimate universe.
But now most everyone did. The only things people even remember anymore are Sam Jackson Nick Fury, Miles and The Blob eating Wasp out.
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Old 08-15-2022, 09:54 PM   #108
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I have the same problem with male feminists who call me a misogynist because I reject the idea of gender-swapping traditionally male characters in the name of “diversity”, even though I’m a woman.
Ohhh, but don't you seeeee? According to them, you have 'internalized Misogyny" and have been brainwashed by the patriarchy! You only think freely if you think EXACTLY like them!

Ugh, I think this is why my mom hates feminist third wavers...
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Ohhh, but don't you seeeee? According to them, you have 'internalized Misogyny" and have been brainwashed by the patriarchy! You only think freely if you think EXACTLY like them!

Ugh, I think this is why my mom hates feminist third wavers...
I’m not gonna let a bunch of whiny boys tell me how to think or how to live my life, otherwise I really would be giving in to the patriarchy. I consider myself to be a strong woman, and instead of cheering me on, they try to tear me down. Hypocrites.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:34 AM   #110
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I’m not gonna let a bunch of whiny boys tell me how to think or how to live my life, otherwise I really would be giving in to the patriarchy. I consider myself to be a strong woman, and instead of cheering me on, they try to tear me down. Hypocrites.
That sounds more ACTUAL feminist than most of those wannabe white knights do, well said!
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Old 08-16-2022, 04:17 PM   #111
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Yeah, I would think that legit "internalized misogyny" over that would be more-so a mindset that only male characters should have those kinds of roles and that a woman should remain lesser in contrast. Simply finding gender swapping existing characters lazy, which I personally do, does not fit that at all imo. I want those kinds of roles for women, and good characters everyone will love, not just women... but, you know, original ones, not a gender swapped one that took so little effort as if they can't figure out how to write like that for women without using an existing man as a template.
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I just hope Rogan's involvement is minimal like in The Boys. There he cuts a check and lets Eric Kripke do his thing. Hopefully he'll let the creatives be. But I have a bad feeling he'll try and voice one of the Turtles.
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Old 08-17-2022, 07:49 PM   #113
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Since this movie is coming out in theaters, I probably won't "boycott" it.

Though I kind of wonder, how empty will my showing be? Will this movie be well-marketed?
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