Should the U.S. split into two?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

However the left just wants the right gone. Even if the US split, the left will continue to bother the right. They'll still demand the right states turn left anyway. They just can't leave **** alone.

I don't know about gone, but they would sure like the right to be more ideologically in line with them. The Democratic Party has greater control over American society (Politics, Arts, the press etc.), but they need the services of all the Republician factory workers, soldiers and blue collars if they are to continue exercising control and power, which I don't see the left losing anytime soon.

[Leo656]

There couldn't even be a "war" because Lefties not only shy away from conflict, they wilt whenever confronted with it.

They'd have no military because military people all lean Right. They'd have no manufacturing, farming, trucking, or construction, because all of those people lean Right, too. Basically, anybody who works a "real job" leans Right. And if you lose those people, your society can't function.

If there was any kind of "split" it would go very poorly for the liberals. Whether they like it or not, everything that makes the country run is indelibly wedded to Conservative people with Conservative values. Only elitist types who've been raised with privilege and never lived outside of their bubble skew liberal, because they lack perspective on how the real world works. They believe in things that sound good on paper, and come from a well-meaning place, but simply wouldn't ever work in reality. As mean as it sounds, they have too much empathy, and they care too much about feelings.

It just wouldn't happen. As much as they screech, they'd very quickly realize that the people they look down on for being "uneducated" and "backwards" are the ones who actually get things done. Someone has to drive those cups and those bags of coffee beans to Starbucks, someone has to tear down that bookstore and build a Starbucks in its place, and so on... and the people who drive those trucks and do those construction jobs are mostly Conservatives. At some point, Liberals would realize that.

[Prowler]

I don't think splitting a huge country in two would work.

At most maybe a couple of states could secede or attempt to do so and become independent nations.

Like I dunno, Texas and California. They're both huge, highly populated and very large economies. They'd still be top 20 economies in the world if they were independent nations, I believe.

Not saying it's going to happen. It won't. But if any states left the country and became independent nations it would be those two. It wouldn't be Wyoming or some place like that.

Also, didn't USA buy Alaska from Russia? I guess that ended up being a good move after all.

[Leo656]

We got Sarah Palin out of it. She's pretty hot for an old broad.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It just wouldn't happen. As much as they screech, they'd very quickly realize that the people they look down on for being "uneducated" and "backwards" are the ones who actually get things done. Someone has to drive those cups and those bags of coffee beans to Starbucks, someone has to tear down that bookstore and build a Starbucks in its place, and so on... and the people who drive those trucks and do those construction jobs are mostly Conservatives. At some point, Liberals would realize that.

The Democratic Party establishment is well aware of this reality, they just prefer being the bosses and not the workers. Better make their opposition work for them, while their own kind enjoy the riches.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

We got Sarah Palin out of it. She's pretty hot for an old broad.

Meh never did it for me.

[Leo656]

I like brunettes. I like chicks with big boobs. I like older chicks. I like when they're so stupid they don't even know how stupid they are.

What can I say? She ticks several of my boxes. I was mad McCain didn't win the election because we would've had four straight years of seeing that Palin bimbo on TV.

I mean, there's also the fact that McCain would have been an infinitely more qualified President that Obama but nobody honestly cares about things like that. I just got used to seeing Palin everywhere and I wanted that to keep going.

Also, the porn parodies were incredible.

[Prowler]

I like older brunettes with big boobs as well, but I don't find Palin attractive.

Anyway, McCain ran at the wrong time and place. After 8 years of Bush Jr., it was gonna be hard for Republicans to win again. Plus he ran against Obama who was young and charismatic and also had the whole the bonus of his possible election being inclusive. And Adding Palin as his VP didn't help either. So yeah, the odds were against McCain from the very beginning.

That being said, McCain seemed like a very decent fella. He was very respectful to Obama and during his entire campaign from what I remember. He's much more sympathetic and gets more respect from me and most people than Trump and Romney do, that's for sure.

[Leo656]

All of that is very true. The Republicans already had the deck stacked against them after having been in office for 8 years, but the Democrats were savvy in putting the entire thing on the "Change" slogan. People were worn out from the war and seeing Bush on TV every day for so long; "change" was something that sounded refreshing, even though it was just a bullsh*t marketing slogan.

Plus, this was the beginning of the "Blame everything on Evil White Men" propaganda campaign which we're still seeing in action today. You literally couldn't criticize Obama because then "You're racist". Nobody wants to be called a racist, so most people just fell in line, even though the guy had no record to speak of, and what record he HAD from his days in Chicago was pretty terrible if you actually dug into it. Stuff like staging sit-ins at banks where a bunch of poor black people would demand home loans they could never pay back, and scream "racism" if they didn't get them. Like NO, you're not getting denied for a home loan because you're black, you idiots, it's because you work at f*cking McDonalds and are therefore considered a bad risk.

Most of the people Obama led on those little "protests" did in fact get the loans they asked for, and - Spoiler Alert! - couldn't pay them back, and then defaulted, and it's a thing that went on nationwide and had a catastrophic affect on the real estate market. The housing market collapse circa 2008 wasn't JUST because of that... but a LOT of it was. It was predominantly all from people being given loans they could never, ever pay back; the banks were called "predator lenders", and yeah, a lot of them were... but in many cases, their hands were tied, because they "had" to give out those bad loans or else they'd be called "racist".

So it was f*cking comical to me that Obama was the one promising to "fix" all of it, and furthermore, that people trusted him to do so... he was one of the people responsible for the market collapse in the FIRST place! HE forced banks to give out bad loans, and then he called them assholes over it! This is the stuff you find out when you actually f*cking read. Which nobody who voted for Obama actually did, or else they wouldn't have f*cking voted for him.

But yeah, that campaign was the beginning of using race politics to rig things in your favor, and so the Democrats were able to manufacture an unbeatable, un-criticizable "bulletproof" candidate while taking advantage of the fact that people were just plain sick of the Republicans being in charge. It was a perfect storm, and they did well in taking advantage of it. Just sucks because the wrong guy still won, regardless.

McCain would have done a much better job, even though it would have likely only been one term. But he actually served his country and knew how to get things done, while all Obama ever knew how to do was make speeches. And now after eight years of HIM, we're still seeing the fallout. Race relations are worse than they've been in 60+ years because of him and his nonsense and how in the wake of his Presidency everything was suddenly all about Evil White Men.

I don't think anybody knew JUST how much worse off we'd all be, they just thought it would be "neat" to have a Black President. Well, I knew how it would turn out. Now we're Here. This is what happens when you pick the President like it's a big popularity contest. Sadly, nobody's learned anything. They want The Rock in 2024. Jesus F*cking Christ.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I don't know about gone, but they would sure like the right to be more ideologically in line with them.

Have you seen how common it is for people to say they want all Republicans to drop dead and people either cheer or don't bat an eye? It's a cult. Full lockstep or they wish you dead.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Have you seen how common it is for people to say they want all Republicans to drop dead and people either cheer or don't bat an eye? It's a cult. Full lockstep or they wish you dead.

I've seen it both ways. I think both sides are full of extremists now who will cast you out if you don't act in full lockstep with them. I should know, the lefties and the righties basically banned me from...life since my opinions don't fully align with either side.

Also, I don't trust any politicians. They're all snakes out for themselves. All of them. That's not a very popular opinion because people will always say "But what about (insert politician)!? He was great!" and I say "Nah" and then the fireworks really begin.

Oh, and on the topic, should the US split? No. That would be stupid and destructive for very obvious reasons. However, will it actually happen? Seeing how divided nearly everyone is on basically everything to the point where liking or disliking a movie is a punishable offense nowadays, I think it could happen, and it will mess everything up...and I do mean everything.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I've seen it both ways. I think both sides are full of extremists now who will cast you out if you don't act in full lockstep with them. I should know, the lefties and the righties basically banned me from...life since my opinions don't fully align with either side.

Also, I don't trust any politicians. They're all snakes out for themselves. All of them. That's not a very popular opinion because people will always say "But what about (insert politician)!? He was great!" and I say "Nah" and then the fireworks really begin.

Oh, and on the topic, should the US split? No. That would be stupid and destructive for very obvious reasons. However, will it actually happen? Seeing how divided nearly everyone is on basically everything to the point where liking or disliking a movie is a punishable offense nowadays, I think it could happen, and it will mess everything up...and I do mean everything.

IDK

Usually I see things like conservatives are more willing to put up with inviting their liberal family member over for holiday events and whatnot while liberals have forever banned their Uncle Carl for all holidays, even Thanksgiving and Christmas for who he voted for in 2016.

I know a lot of the right are racists and bigots, but there are also a lot that choose to live and let live. I'm sure there are some lefties that also feel that way but the ones that speak loudest want everyone that disagrees with them to just drop dead or be thrown into woodchippers.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Have you seen how common it is for people to say they want all Republicans to drop dead and people either cheer or don't bat an eye? It's a cult. Full lockstep or they wish you dead.

That's all propaganda for the masses, intended to rile them up in unity against a common enemy. The Democrat leaders themselves don't want a genocide, because dead Republicians can't produce labour for the state.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

IDK

Usually I see things like conservatives are more willing to put up with inviting their liberal family member over for holiday events and whatnot while liberals have forever banned their Uncle Carl for all holidays, even Thanksgiving and Christmas for who he voted for in 2016.

I'm seeing a lot less of this, honestly, especially since 2020. Actually, things have been on a general decline for years, and the political divide is getting larger. It's getting really bad, if you ask me.

I know a lot of the right are racists and bigots, but there are also a lot that choose to live and let live. I'm sure there are some lefties that also feel that way but the ones that speak loudest want everyone that disagrees with them to just drop dead or be thrown into woodchippers.

I feel like both sides are becoming more radicalized, trying to sit firmly in their own echo chambers. I've been noticing many people becoming more extremist in their views even when they weren't like that originally. One of my few irl friends stopped talking to me recently because of a difference in opinion about Pokemon (yep, you read that right) that he basically made into a political issue, and went off on me for being a woman, and using my p*ssy pass. This argument was about the quality of the Sun/Moon versions, but he made it into a more personal, political thing. We tended to agree a lot politically....but he's become more of an extremist right winger recently, and now we've stopped talking since this happened in February.

And before anyone says anything, yes, this has happened to me with former leftist friends as well. Actually, a lot of my leftist friends dumped me long ago. But now the righties are doing the same. It sucks.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I'm seeing a lot less of this, honestly, especially since 2020. Actually, things have been on a general decline for years, and the political divide is getting larger. It's getting really bad, if you ask me.



I feel like both sides are becoming more radicalized, trying to sit firmly in their own echo chambers. I've been noticing many people becoming more extremist in their views even when they weren't like that originally. One of my few irl friends stopped talking to me recently because of a difference in opinion about Pokemon (yep, you read that right) that he basically made into a political issue, and went off on me for being a woman, and using my p*ssy pass. This argument was about the quality of the Sun/Moon versions, but he made it into a more personal, political thing. We tended to agree a lot politically....but he's become more of an extremist right winger recently, and now we've stopped talking since this happened in February.

And before anyone says anything, yes, this has happened to me with former leftist friends as well. Actually, a lot of my leftist friends dumped me long ago. But now the righties are doing the same. It sucks.

Yeah, I lost a friend I've known for years just cause I told her I wasn't gonna get the jab. It hurt cause I felt so easily discarded, like all those years meant nothing over a difference of opinion.

Oh then she tried to poison my ex against me, which didn't work cause while she got jabbed, she shares my views and agrees it never should have become a political issue and it's up to everyone and their choice.

Over time I came to terms that she wasn't worth keeping around even if she were to ever apologize cause even if I were to put something in my body just to keep a friend.... what's to say she won't end it again because I won't get the booster, or because I won't agree with the next big hashtag cause?

Most of my buddies I can tell are left leaning, they don't have to tell me, I see all the BLM, I stand with Ukraine and selfies with their vax cards and masks, so I keep our convos apolitical. Most people that know me know all I ever talk about is anime and wrestling anyway so I'm usually the last person anyone would think of calling up if they want a deep political discussion with. But I know better than to bring it up with any of them. Since I'm 'one of the good guys' as in I'm a cool and easy-going and easily-approachable person, I guess it's assumed I'm vaxxed and support all hashtag causes.

I mean I do stand for equality (within reason) and respect for all and whatnot, but a lot of these people that say that really mean they want to replace and remove. I'm sorry but dealing with injustice doesn't give you the right to say 'now it's our turn whiteboy' and dish out the same level of injustice.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Most of my buddies I can tell are left leaning, they don't have to tell me, I see all the BLM, I stand with Ukraine and selfies with their vax cards and masks, so I keep our convos apolitical. Most people that know me know all I ever talk about is anime and wrestling anyway so I'm usually the last person anyone would think of calling up if they want a deep political discussion with. But I know better than to bring it up with any of them. Since I'm 'one of the good guys' as in I'm a cool and easy-going and easily-approachable person, I guess it's assumed I'm vaxxed and support all hashtag causes.

I don't quite have the same problem as most of my very few friends are mostly apolitical, or tend to lean right, so I don't see the hashtag stuff on my Twitter/Facebook. Which is nice since I hate all of that. I tend to be mostly apolitical. I know and understand politics, mind you (because people seem to think apolitical = ignorant), I just...have a life, and don't want my life to revolve around whether I prefer the blue or the red. Unfortunately, I am seeing more and more people I know have their lives revolve around that. I don't want to discuss privilege, I just want to talk about Pokemon and TMNT without involving political debates.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

IDK

I know a lot of the right are racists and bigots, but there are also a lot that choose to live and let live. I'm sure there are some lefties that also feel that way but the ones that speak loudest want everyone that disagrees with them to just drop dead or be thrown into woodchippers.

Prove that we're racists or bigots. Prove it. And for the record, we only throw pedophiles into wood chippers, as it should be as ANYONE who abuses a kid has that coming to them. No one I know on "the right" has disowned any of their leftist, braindead liberal relatives. But more than a few of them are no longer welcome at their lib families homes or events. None of my friends burned down a wendy's over a dead pos criminal. None of my friends have been part of any riots in town screaming BLM while kicked and throwing stuff at cars & anyone they don't like... none of the black people I know have jumped any Asian folks... but all the liberals I know are more than willing to wish us death & talk a lot of trash or jump folks from behind or throw punches while no one is looking. If America was going to split, the Lunatic Left would lose hands down without a doubt.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I don't quite have the same problem as most of my very few friends are mostly apolitical, or tend to lean right, so I don't see the hashtag stuff on my Twitter/Facebook. Which is nice since I hate all of that. I tend to be mostly apolitical. I know and understand politics, mind you (because people seem to think apolitical = ignorant), I just...have a life, and don't want my life to revolve around whether I prefer the blue or the red. Unfortunately, I am seeing more and more people I know have their lives revolve around that. I don't want to discuss privilege, I just want to talk about Pokemon and TMNT without involving political debates.

I don't know how that one person turned Pokemon into something political.

Yeah, I don't seek out the hashtags, but when your friends have either a 'Make America Great Again' or a 'BLM and my pronouns are...' thing on their bio or profile pic, you kinda know which way they swing without needing to ask.

And I still think this mostly happened because social media was closer to what it's become now in 2016. That's why we didn't see all this virtue signally crap before, because Obama was still Myspace/early Facebook era. Obama never did 'mean tweet's cause Twitter wasn't the cancel culture cesspool in his day like it is now. Plus people weren't do obsessed back then with the president as they are currently which is why everyone was waiting on baited breath to either agree or disagree with whatever Trump would tweet next. Like I know the TDS went too far with the left, but the right glorifying him as if he was the next Messiah brought to this Earth handpicked by Jesus Christ Himself wasn't helping make them look sane either.

But yeah, nowadays I can appreciate people that can talk about anything other than politics. If you're so entrenched into them that it's become your whole personality, bye Felicia. I'd much rather have an in-depth discussion about barb wire matches and Lola Bunny with a true intellectual from Jersey than talk about the current political landscape.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Prove that we're racists or bigots. Prove it.

Easy there buddy. I never speak with absolutes.

I'm just saying, just like the average leftist stereotype is someone with crazy colored hair, a millions pronouns and all these hashtags and BLM stickers and whatever all over their bodies, the average right stereotype is some old redneck, polishing his gun muttering something about 'I can't stand those gays'.

Obviously there's bad people on both sides, but I never deal with absolutes.

[Leo656]

Most of my friends tend to be a higher and more even-keeled class because when it comes to dealing with me... what you get is What You Get, and I make that pretty clear upfront. I treat everyone the same, I make the same jokes and scandalous quips in front of everyone, I poke the same fun at everyone, and you either Get It or you don't. We can talk about anything, but you're not changing my mind, if my mind changes it'll be after I've put my own thought and time into the subject. I'll consider your opinion on my own time and inclination but your opinion will not "sway" me, especially not in that moment.

I don't generally have time for people, and I mostly stay to myself in real life. I don't have time to go out and hang on a whim, so I only spend time with people who genuinely want me around, and I them. I am not a "mean" person, I'm just a real wiseass and I have no time for bullsh*t, and I call Obvious Bullsh*t when I see it.

So people can either handle All That, or we're not friends. It's that simple.

I've mentioned before that one couple we hang out with once a month or so, we agree on almost nothing politically, but we still shoot the sh*t about politics and the news because it's Stuff To Talk About. Nobody's mind is ever changed, it's just conversation. Killing time, filling the silence. It shouldn't be a confrontation.

I've noticed people tend to like me even when we agree on very little because I'm obviously not a f*cking phony, and also, I am generally nice to people. Some people here may not believe it, because of the sh*t I say, but How I Talk and How I Treat People isn't the same thing. And so "That guy's just plain too nice" is something a lot of people say to describe me - especially in regard to how often I get f*cked over. But f*ck it, I am nice. I'm nice to people I have nothing in common with or nothing to gain from. Why not? It doesn't cost anything to just be nice to people. I have a big mouth and no filter but I don't just go around being a dick. That seems to win a lot of people over.

The whole "We can't be friends because of your politics", or treating someone like a pariah because they didn't get a shot... I don't get that kinda sh*t at all. Anybody who'd sh*tcan a friendship over stuff like that was never even a friend. Thankfully, I tend not to attract those types of people in the first place.

I mean, I guess if they can't handle the raging sexism and dead baby jokes they're not gonna be hanging out with me long enough to even find out about my political opinions. You pretty much get All Of Me right upfront, and if you can't handle it then we just don't talk.