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Old 03-28-2016, 12:06 PM   #41
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I always took that as random Foot surveillance people.
In the Ultimate Collection vol 1. p. 195 Laird says to that scene:

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Mid page 19 we show a guy looking at her [April's] apartment with a spyglass from across the way, smoking. I think the plan was that this was the Shredder - or some of his Foot Clan spying on them - but I don't think we ever did a payoff on that scene. Interesting!
Happens in #4 just before the attack on the TCRI building.
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Old 03-28-2016, 01:09 PM   #42
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It was Raph's voice, the production redubbed the shot in post.
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I always took that as random Foot surveillance people.



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In the Ultimate Collection vol 1. p. 195 Laird says to that scene:

Happens in #4 just before the attack on the TCRI building.
it definitely wasn't Casey like Technogeek29 thought it was.

but i always took it as some sort of villain?
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Old 03-31-2016, 04:37 AM   #43
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Interesting you note this. I've always had the same feeling as you, yet as a the target demographic at that time (born in 81 here)..... Leo has always been my favorite.

I hate that they never utilize him anywhere but the comics. Mirage and IDW both showed him as a proper badass taking on a mass of Foot on his own holding his own, if not winning, until Shredder trumps him. He's arguably the most advanced in ninjutsu, a leader, and a strategist, but everyone just writes him off as "boy scout."

Frustrates me even more that, in a martial arts story, Raph is so often shown as "brute force and anger bests discipline every time." -_-

Kind of a similar disappointment in the X-Men movies focusing on Wolverine. I think Wolvie/Raph should be supporting roles that steal scenes left and right rather than the focus.
They utilized Leo well in the Original Movie, in my opinion.

Even though a lot of scenes of Leo wiping the floor with the Foot were cut, there's more to Leo than that.

Out of his brothers he's the best at meditating, being the first to make contact with Splinter. And in the original script, he's the only Turtle to make contact with Splinter - the others fail to do so.

The most disciplined of the brothers, Leo obviously lasts the longest against Shredder.

Heck you can even say that Raph in the movie is the worst fighter. Sure Raph gets into a lot of fights, but he only gains a solo victory once via the element of surprise. All other fights Raph gets in he either loses or gets help from his brothers.

Heck, against Shredder, all of the other Turtles lasted longer than Raph did.

And as I said before, aside from being portrayed as a flawed but improving leader, Leo is also shown as a wonderful big brother.
THAT is what is usually lacking from modern incarnations.
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i couldn't have said it better myself!
ever since i was a kid watching fantasy movies as well as martial arts films, i've just always loved sword wielding characters. (especially dual wielding)
so as soon as i discovered the Ninja Turtles Leo was it!!!
it's just narrow minded and lazy writing to portray Leonardo as a boy scout.
there's so much that can be done with him as a character, same with the complexity of Donatello.
but i guess it's easier to just focus on the funny guy or the angry guy?
Leo in the 1990 Movie was pretty complex.

He was an awesome leader but had flaws. He could be laid-back, he could get baleful. He knew when to be fun-loving and when to get serious... most of the time.

If I had to describe his character arc in one sentence it would be this:
He grew up from a carefree kid into a mature young leader, ready to take on the world.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:54 AM   #45
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I would agree with those before me, Leonardo was very well written in the first movie. He showed strength, discipline, but also struggle and fragility in the face of almost-certain defeat. In fact, all four Turtles had significant character development throughout the whole film.
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Leo in the 1990 Movie was pretty complex.

He was an awesome leader but had flaws. He could be laid-back, he could get baleful. He knew when to be fun-loving and when to get serious... most of the time.

If I had to describe his character arc in one sentence it would be this:
He grew up from a carefree kid into a mature young leader, ready to take on the world.
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I would agree with those before me, Leonardo was very well written in the first movie. He showed strength, discipline, but also struggle and fragility in the face of almost-certain defeat. In fact, all four Turtles had significant character development throughout the whole film.
the 1990 movie is still one of the BEST interpretations of the character!
the writers really put a lot of thought into his character, and i really liked the level of emotion Brian Tochi brought as well!

for all it's silliness i also really like Seth Green's performance of Leonardo in the Nick series as well. but for me the 1990 version is still the best interpretation.
even though it's the same universe 'Secret of the Ooze' lost a lot of the character they developed, once they became more 'Kid-Friendly' and sanitized.
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Old 03-31-2016, 03:14 PM   #47
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In the Ultimate Collection vol 1. p. 195 Laird says to that scene:



Happens in #4 just before the attack on the TCRI building.
Wow, I always wondered what that was about. I thought it was someone at TCRI. Thanks for the info!
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the 1990 movie is still one of the BEST interpretations of the character!
the writers really put a lot of thought into his character, and i really liked the level of emotion Brian Tochi brought as well!

for all it's silliness i also really like Seth Green's performance of Leonardo in the Nick series as well. but for me the 1990 version is still the best interpretation.
even though it's the same universe 'Secret of the Ooze' lost a lot of the character they developed, once they became more 'Kid-Friendly' and sanitized.
Indeed.

And for me, the 1990 movie is where it's at.

The sequels are non-existent to me.
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:49 AM   #49
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indeed.

And for me, the 1990 movie is where it's at.

The sequels are non-existent to me.
here here!!!!!!
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