No reboot would have been better...

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

In which way is it nothing like the original series? It has:

*Shredder and Krang teaming up
*The Technodrome arriving to Earth through a portal
*Shredder mutating Bebop and Rocksteady

*Casey Jones, police officer hoping to make Detective one day...
*Vern “The Falcon” Fenwick, hero of the city…

Oh, wait...

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Yup. But people will see what they want to see

And we'll all be here to tell them they're wrong for seeing it

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

*TMNT crazy about pizza.
*Lots of sight gags and slapstick humor
*April reporting stuff as a reporter.
*A pizza thrower (basically).
*Turtles only using their weapons on robot stuff.

On and on.

A dick joke in this middle doesn't yank it out of the Fred Wolf Zone™.

Not to mention it feels like the pwople who wrote the script studied under David Wise.

1. The main plot should be about Shredder/Krang trying to get the Technodrome running.
2. They should more or less be be successful up until the very end when the Turtles pull something out of their ass.
3. Make sure there are at least two filler plotlines that lead nowhere and could easily be edited out.
4. The main conflict should be as generic and cliché as possible, doesn't matter if it's been used previously in the same continuity.
5. Make sure the character development is minor, the status quo has to be as close as possible to what it was at the start.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Out of the Shadows is not the OT/Fred Wolf

Casey Jones the whiny detective is not Fred Wolf, Megan Fox as fan service April is not Fred Wolf, Serious unmasked shredder who just stands in the background and says or does nothing is not Fred wolf, Karai is not Fred Wolf, giant roided-out turtles are not Fred Wolf, and Vernon as a popular super-star is not Fred wolf.

If this movie is Fred wolf, where is the forth wall breaking? The self-referential humor? The comedic shredder? The shredder/Krang/Rocksteady bebop dysfunctional family? why is Raph a tough guy like all modern versions, instead of the sarcastic Rob Paulsen-style snarker? Why is Splinter a Rat who learned Ninjitsu from a book instead of a mutated Hamato Yoshi? Why isn't Casey Jones a dirty harry- styled nutjob who never takes his mask off? Why are the turtles friends with the cops? Why can't I remember Laura Linney's character from the cartoon?

It has some elements in common with the OT, but Out of the shadows is definitely not the OT.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Out of the Shadows is not the OT/Fred Wolf

Casey Jones the whiny detective is not Fred Wolf, Megan Fox as fan service April is not Fred Wolf, Serious unmasked shredder who just stands in the background and says or does nothing is not Fred wolf, Karai is not Fred Wolf, giant roided-out turtles are not Fred Wolf, and Vernon as a popular super-star is not Fred wolf.

If this movie is Fred wolf, where is the forth wall breaking? The self-referential humor? The comedic shredder? The shredder/Krang/Rocksteady bebop dysfunctional family? why is Raph a tough guy like all modern versions, instead of the sarcastic Rob Paulsen-style snarker? Why is Splinter a Rat who learned Ninjitsu from a book instead of a mutated Hamato Yoshi? Why isn't Casey Jones a dirty harry- styled nutjob who never takes his mask off? Why are the turtles friends with the cops? Why can't I remember Laura Linney's character from the cartoon?

It has some elements in common with the OT, but Out of the shadows is definitely not the OT.

This. I'd go as far to say that it borrows most from the Fred Wolf series compared to any other incarnation, but to say its one and the same is awfully short sighted.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Krutch

This. I'd go as far to say that it borrows most from the Fred Wolf series compared to any other incarnation, but to say its one and the same is awfully short sighted.

That's fair. Though conversely, it is also short-sighted to say it is nothing like the Fred Wolf series.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's fair. Though conversely, it is also short-sighted to say it is nothing like the Fred Wolf series.

Which is why I didn't say that. I literally just said it borrowed most from it.

If you want to hit the broad strokes, it's all there. Technodrome? Check. Bebop and Rocksteady? Check. Emphasis on slapstick humour? Check. But anyone even partially familiar with the cartoon would instantly see how off-base it is. Not a single personality lines up, and even the tone of the slapstick stuff is off. To say OOTS is a failure because of the FW stuff is completely unjustified when its not a true reflection of the content.

It's like saying the 2014 movie wasn't well received for all the Mirage stuff in there. The Turtles reveal themselves to April by rescuing her from trouble? Check. Karai assists Shredder in his plans to take over New York? Check. Rooftop fight with Shredder? Check. Yet all these points have so, so little (if any at all) resemblance to the source material that it's not reasonable to compare one way or the other.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by snake

If Superman 4 hadn't failed, we wouldn't have gotten, uh, Superman Returns? And if that hadn't failed, we wouldn't have gotten....Man of Steel?

Superman really is not the best example here.

^ PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

*TMNT crazy about pizza.
*Lots of sight gags and slapstick humor
*April reporting stuff as a reporter.
*A pizza thrower (basically).
*Turtles only using their weapons on robot stuff.

On and on.

A dick joke in this middle doesn't yank it out of the Fred Wolf Zone™.

hey! don't forget about Vern 'the Falcon' Fenwick.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Yup. But people will see what they want to see

People who never actually watched the original series yeah.

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

In which way is it nothing like the original series? It has:

*Shredder and Krang teaming up
*The Technodrome arriving to Earth through a portal
*Shredder mutating Bebop and Rocksteady

Stylistically and also in plot it had almost nothing to do with the Fred Wolf cartoon. You can't put elements of the 80s series into a movie and call it a faithful homage or a direct adaptation. That's just sounds stupid.

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Out of the Shadows is not the OT/Fred Wolf

Casey Jones the whiny detective is not Fred Wolf, Megan Fox as fan service April is not Fred Wolf, Serious unmasked shredder who just stands in the background and says or does nothing is not Fred wolf, Karai is not Fred Wolf, giant roided-out turtles are not Fred Wolf, and Vernon as a popular super-star is not Fred wolf.

If this movie is Fred wolf, where is the forth wall breaking? The self-referential humor? The comedic shredder? The shredder/Krang/Rocksteady bebop dysfunctional family? why is Raph a tough guy like all modern versions, instead of the sarcastic Rob Paulsen-style snarker? Why is Splinter a Rat who learned Ninjitsu from a book instead of a mutated Hamato Yoshi? Why isn't Casey Jones a dirty harry- styled nutjob who never takes his mask off? Why are the turtles friends with the cops? Why can't I remember Laura Linney's character from the cartoon?

It has some elements in common with the OT, but Out of the shadows is definitely not the OT.

This. This. All This.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Stylistically and also in plot it had almost nothing to do with the Fred Wolf cartoon. You can't put elements of the 80s series into a movie and call it a faithful homage or a direct adaptation. That's just sounds stupid.

Unfortunately, those that only grew up watching FW (and the 90s films) and fell out of TMNT afterwards only seem to remember those elements specifically where they believe it's automatically a live action version of "what they remember". PD thought incorporating Krang, Rocksteady, Bebop, a lighter tone, the Turtle Van (garbage truck), and revealing themselves out in the open would bring in those fans and make them a lot more money.

Only problem is.......the first movie was awful and absolutely nothing like TMNT.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Only problem is.......the first movie was awful and absolutely nothing like TMNT.

It's pretty amazing how atrocious that first film was. I'm legitimately still in awe about it. So many bad decisions were made... I get the feeling you could make a movie akin to The Disaster Artist about the making of that film.

[neatoman]

Then there's also the matter of motive. The first one barely made enough money to justify a sequel, so the whole thing feels like an attempt to adress the most shallow criticism that was the easiest to fix.

There's really no point in denying that shoving all that **** (80% of which was created for the Turtlemania era) into the movie without proper set-up or payoff was nostalgia baiting, accurate or not, making it retroactively seem more like the cartoon was the point.

Originally Posted by Krutch

It's pretty amazing how atrocious that first film was. I'm legitimately still in awe about it. So many bad decisions were made... I get the feeling you could make a movie akin to The Disaster Artist about the making of that film.

It's bad but it's still the better of the two where it counts.