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Thanks, it's my pleasure to try and help. It's not too often that my anime and TMNT fandoms get to work together as nicely as this, so I definitely wanted to see what I could find out.
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This makes me wonder if someone in Japan is aware of how this went down though. If it is the pink jumpsuit and not another part where she had a yellow one, then them doing the jumpsuit look yet again in the new Fujiko series and making it YELLOW this time seems awfully coincidental doesn't it? As a final info bit - it's no wonder you like Cagliostro even if you're not a Lupin fan. Don't know if you're into his stuff or not, but Cagliostro is kind of a special film for the Lupin franchise, in that it was done by Hayao Miyazaki, the same guy behind stuff like Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Ponyo, and so on. His stuff is pretty much considered good even outside of anime fans.
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Only problem with Cagliostro is that it feels more Miyazaki than ti does Lupin, if that makes any sense.
I would say Cagliostro is indeed a very likely source for them to have seen, especially in the 80s, but it's hard to say for sure. TV industry people tend to see overseas stuff well before most of the public does, just as part of the job. I said second series is likely earlier in this thread, but those Cagliostro screenshots are pretty compelling too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki "Miyazaki left Toei in 1971 for Mushi Production, A Pro, Nippon Animation, and TMS Entertainment where he co-directed six episodes of the first Lupin III series with Isao Takahata." "Miyazaki then left Nippon Animation in 1979 in the middle of the production of Anne of Green Gables to direct his first feature anime The Castle of Cagliostro (1979), a Lupin III adventure film." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_III "This series, in which Lupin wears a red jacket, was broadcast for 155 episodes, with the last one airing on October 6, 1980. Episodes 145 and 155 were directed by Hayao Miyazaki under the pseudonym Teruki Tsutomu, and they marked his final involvement with the Lupin franchise" Miyazaki's early career was working on Lupin the 3rd. And April's costume was inspired by Fujiko from Lupin the 3rd? That's awesome. I loved watching that show on Adult Swim at it's ridiculous 4AM timeslot...and they wonder why it didn't work? >_> |
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Yeah, he did some episodes, and they are good episodes too. But Cagliostro still has a feel more like the other Miyazaki films than it is like other Lupin material, in my opinion.
Interestingly enough, Lupin also sort of has a Mirage vs OT thing where the original manga is a lot more violent and serious compared to it's more famous and humorous TV shows. The first show (and the new Fujiko show) are probably closer to the manga than the second show, which is the long-running, more comedic, most famous one. But then again I have yet to ever have the chance to actually read the manga myself, so it might not be quite as pronounced as people make it out to be.
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Then again, I forget the title, but there's an actually Lupin film or special that's managed to put me to SLEEP, something Cagliostro could never cause, so take that as you will. Quote:
Not clipping the rest of your post to disregard it, just trying to keep my reply from being any bigger than it has to be. Miyazaki certainly did get started on Lupin, but in general his work on Lupin episodes was probably more 'strict' than what he was allowed to do in Cagliostro. I haven't seen the episodes in question, but I'd bet he probably had to keep things closer to standard Lupin practices, whereas in Cagliostro he was allowed to 'go wild' as it were. Quote:
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The original manga has an artstyle very akin to early MAD magazine artwork (was even inspired by that if I recall right), the Lupin gang isn't really a 'gang' at all (you're lucky to see Lupin and Jigen together in it, and there's not really a 'Fujiko' per say, just lots of busty women), and in it Lupin is a lot more potentially vile than in the usual anime adaptations. It's heavily implied, in gag form no less, that he rapes a lot of the women he meets...so yeah, the anime version of Lupin that most people know is a little different from the manga. I actually prefer the slightly toned down version myself. Anyway...sorry for going off on the deep end about Lupin here, but hopefully some of it also flows back into the conversation at hand too.
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Same here. I love OT April a lot. It's by far my favorite version. I would love to see that version again but add the fighting ability from the newer cartoons (and the comics)
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Glad I'm not alone on the Cagliostro thing. And yeah the implied rape and lack of any "team" dynamic is sort of the tone shift sort of stuff I meant with my comparison. I agree that Lupin is more enjoyable when you can actually like the guy, so it's not like I want that sort of thing going on in the TV specials or anything.
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Those are screenshots from a pretty recent TV show, so no, not those specifically.
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I know that David Wise and his contributions to TMNT history has been a hot topic of debate on another thread, but I figured I'd at least post this update here for posterity's sake.
On his FB account this week, Wise posted a screencap of the Lupin III episode in which Fujiko is wearing the yellow jumpsuit/white boots which came to be associated with April O'Neil in the old show: I'm not a Lupin fan, so I have no idea which episode that was, but that is the first visual evidence I've seen on the specific look being copied. The middle picture of the statue is the outfit that Fujiko wore in Castle of Caligostro in which she did pose as a news reporter.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/lupin-the...e-peace-685769
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I'm curious of the episode. I can't use Crunchyroll since I'm out of the region. Can you tell me what ep/season it is? Is it from the 1971 series or later?
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I find it kind of strange that Fujiko is stated as an inspiration when the cartoon seems like it's just a cleaned up version of what she looked in issue two. But then again, they did arbitrarily decide to make Stockman white and give the Utrom-esque character a non-Utrom backstory for no reason
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Here's another picture of Fujiko I found where she looks like April, taken from one of the openings, wearing a yellow raincoat
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Seriously, why keep citing Fujiko?
Her first appearence had a jumpsuit and a similar haircut to the cartoon: And here's the cover by Richard Corben, still made well before the cartoon was in production. It's basically the same design aside from the color of the jumpsuit: I know David Wise said Fujiko was an inspiration (though I can't really get a source on when and where he said it), but David Wise was known for straight up lying in interviews to make himself seem more important to the TMNT franchise than he really was, I seriously he'd ever admit the character designers probably just used Corben's design as a basis. The Lupin III anime had a total of 228 episodes and four movies by the time TMNT aired, if the character had a tendency to keep changing outfit/haircuts and had reasons to wear jumpsuits a few times, then of course she would have elements at some point that would resemble April's cartoon design. If there is one instance of her wearing a pink jumpsuit with pockets, on instance of her wearing a yellow jumpsuit with white boots, one instance of he having a haircut similar to April's and one instance of her... Looking out of a car window like April does in the intro... Yeah... Then these could just be coincidences. What seems more likely than April's design being directly based on Fujiko's to me, is that someone noticed these similarities, asked David Wise about it and he just rolled with it because it made him look more important. Quote:
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