IDW's "no kill" policy

MikLeo · 06-01-2013, 02:06 PM

I read that IDW wont allow the turtles to kill. Any info on the subject if its true or not?

Tazi · 06-01-2013, 02:07 PM

IDW is kind of toned down in violence compared to mirage, that's true, but we don't really know yet, where exactly the limits are, or are we?

where did you read it btw?

*CyberCubed* · 06-01-2013, 03:23 PM

For the record its only the Turtles who don't kill, the villains can kill obviously. We did see Yoshi and his sons murdered by Shredder in Japan.

Matches Malone · 06-01-2013, 04:09 PM

This question has been danced around several times by the editor and writer. Some suspect Nick/Viacom have issued such a policy, but my guess is more likely that Nick selected a creative team that already isn't too interested in having the turtles kill. In Waltz's latest video interview, he more or less confirms that they don't want their heroes killing. He is correct in his assertion though, that it is appreciated that at least they attempt to address the issue, albeit to varying degrees of success. Of course, it's still not completely clear whether it is a strict "no killing ever" policy, since they currently have the "Destroy Shredder Manifesto" in place, so perhaps there will be exceptions.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42532

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

For the record its only the Turtles who don't kill, the villains can kill obviously. We did see Yoshi and his sons murdered by Shredder in Japan.

For the record, OP says that in his initial post...

*snake* · 06-01-2013, 04:14 PM

What about foot soilders? They've been knocked around in a few issues.

Matches Malone · 06-01-2013, 04:45 PM

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What about foot soilders? They've been knocked around in a few issues.

Knocked around, yes, but the topic is about whether the turtles are allowed to kill.

*snake* · 06-01-2013, 04:52 PM

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Knocked around, yes, but the topic is about whether the turtles are allowed to kill.

Yeah, I know, but can the turtles kill any foot soilders? I mean, they can still be killed if its shown off panel. For example, Donetello knocks a foot soilder to the wall with his Bo, the foot soilder slumps over. It wouldn't be violent but still implies that he's killed.

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-01-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikLeo

I read that IDW wont allow the turtles to kill. Any info on the subject if its true or not?

This is a huge issue that has been teased since the beginning! Its the biggest problem I have with the series since it won't clarly say the turtles are not murderers. The TMNT don't kill as that was exclusive to the black and white comics at the very beginning and I truly hope it stays that way. Its a divisive issue upon fans at least on this site. I will drop this comic if a turtle does the same that a villain would and slay an opponent but others are waiting on the edge of their seats for it to happen. Its divivded mostly in camps of Other Media vs B&W comics. I believe it goes against the ethics of the turtles and what they stand for but other actually don't think it is a core value of what makes the TMNT.

corvus · 06-01-2013, 05:29 PM

It never shows the foot ninjas suffering from seizures and PTSD after getting knocked unconscious by a giant mutant turtle with nunchucks.

Matches Malone · 06-01-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by snakeweed101

Yeah, I know, but can the turtles kill any foot soilders? I mean, they can still be killed if its shown off panel. For example, Donetello knocks a foot soilder to the wall with his Bo, the foot soilder slumps over. It wouldn't be violent but still implies that he's killed.

Bobby has confirmed that they haven't killed any Foot soldiers, just knocked them out. Plus, it's been touched upon every once in a while making it clear that they "walk the path of peace" and it's a struggle enough to decide to kill someone who is a legitimate threat, let alone a Foot soldier flunkie who they can easily take out without killing.

*Powder* · 06-01-2013, 06:24 PM

Though I enjoy violent turtles in the right place & time (vol. 3, Bodycount), I don't really care either way about this alleged policy. The IDW turtles are awesome but they are admittedly a little soft, so I'm fine with them taking a more peaceful path. If they do start to cross that line though, I hope it's just. I don't want it to become a sudden thing, it should be eluded to. There should be a 'sensible' mindset about making that choice to off their opponents, such as letting someone go who ended up killing a person they care for and from then on deciding not to let those with malicious intentions go free.

*Cipher* · 06-01-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Though I enjoy violent turtles in the right place & time (vol. 3, Bodycount), I don't really care either way about this alleged policy. The IDW turtles are awesome but they are admittedly a little soft, so I'm fine with them taking a more peaceful path. If they do start to cross that line though, I hope it's just. I don't want it to become a sudden thing, it should be eluded to. There should be a 'sensible' mindset about making that choice to off their opponents, such as letting someone go who ended up killing a person they care for and from then on deciding not to let those with malicious intentions go free.

I think it's fine narratively, but it's already been an issue in terms of believability when you have characters with bladed weapons fighting their way through hordes of opponents without taking a life. Those were the situations in which the Mirage Turtles drew blood most of the time as well -- they weren't wanton murderers, and with a few notable exceptions, usually only killed when surrounded in a do-or-die situation.

I do hope it's something the creative team at IDW is in full control of, though with the amount of black blood we've been seeing lately, I suspect there's some mandate from higher up that things not get too (literally) dicey.

drewizzle88 · 06-01-2013, 06:55 PM

I thought they had killed before, an example I could remember was in issue 12 I thought Leonardo killed this women. But I guess not?

Spoiler:

ToxicRevolution · 06-01-2013, 07:21 PM

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I thought they had killed before, an example I could remember was in issue 12 I thought Leonardo killed this women. But I guess not?

Spoiler:

drewizzle88 · 06-01-2013, 08:30 PM

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I don't guess I realized that was her, just remember back when I read the issue I was surprised he killed a woman, damn I'm an idiot!

Weapons@theready · 06-01-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I believe it goes against the ethics of the turtles and what they stand for but other actually don't think it is a core value of what makes the TMNT.

I want to know where you get your idea of Turtle Ethics

*Coola Yagami* · 06-01-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drewizzle88

I don't guess I realized that was her, just remember back when I read the issue I was surprised he killed a woman, damn I'm an idiot!

Unless Leo mastered the Iron Headbutt of Death, I doubt that would have killed her anyway.

Half Sh3ll Hero · 06-01-2013, 09:00 PM

I wouldn't mind a few justified killings... as long as they were few and far between. The Mirage Turtles are bad ass. But I like the tone that the IDW Turtles sets. If only we could have a balanced medium of both.

*snake* · 06-01-2013, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Unless Leo mastered the Iron Headbutt of Death, I doubt that would have killed her anyway.

That made me lol.

beardcore84 · 06-01-2013, 10:45 PM

Splinter has taught the turtles that no violence shall be used unless absolutely necessary. He is wrought with self conflict over even having a "shredder must be stopped policy". I'm SO glad the turtles don't kill, because it would lower then to their enemies level, and also, if and or when they do kill shredder etc or someone does die, not necessarily from being murdered, it will make it a much bigger deal.

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MikLeo Thug Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 78	IDW's "no kill" policy I read that IDW wont allow the turtles to kill. Any info on the subject if its true or not?

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corvus Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: London Posts: 782	It never shows the foot ninjas suffering from seizures and PTSD after getting knocked unconscious by a giant mutant turtle with nunchucks. __________________

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Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,803	Though I enjoy violent turtles in the right place & time (vol. 3, Bodycount), I don't really care either way about this alleged policy. The IDW turtles are awesome but they are admittedly a little soft, so I'm fine with them taking a more peaceful path. If they do start to cross that line though, I hope it's just. I don't want it to become a sudden thing, it should be eluded to. There should be a 'sensible' mindset about making that choice to off their opponents, such as letting someone go who ended up killing a person they care for and from then on deciding not to let those with malicious intentions go free. __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

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drewizzle88 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 572	I thought they had killed before, an example I could remember was in issue 12 I thought Leonardo killed this women. But I guess not? Spoiler: __________________

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Half Sh3ll Hero Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Arizona Posts: 152	I wouldn't mind a few justified killings... as long as they were few and far between. The Mirage Turtles are bad ass. But I like the tone that the IDW Turtles sets. If only we could have a balanced medium of both. __________________ I mean, come on. How do you guys expect to beat me?

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Tazi Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 1,088	IDW is kind of toned down in violence compared to mirage, that's true, but we don't really know yet, where exactly the limits are, or are we? where did you read it btw?

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CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,036	For the record its only the Turtles who don't kill, the villains can kill obviously. We did see Yoshi and his sons murdered by Shredder in Japan.

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snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,230	What about foot soilders? They've been knocked around in a few issues.

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beardcore84 Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 141	Splinter has taught the turtles that no violence shall be used unless absolutely necessary. He is wrought with self conflict over even having a "shredder must be stopped policy". I'm SO glad the turtles don't kill, because it would lower then to their enemies level, and also, if and or when they do kill shredder etc or someone does die, not necessarily from being murdered, it will make it a much bigger deal.