Anything that you don't like about well-liked versions of the TMNT?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Rat King should of returned in Season 5 of 2k3 at least once. He should of gotten the ep instead of that planned third Garbageman ep they cut. That way Season 5 would still be 13 episodes and Rat King would have gotten a second ep.

No. Rat King would not have fit in that stupid dragon and kamehameha fest at all.

[TylerD]

The graphics of ninja turtles Mayhem

[TheLabRat]

I don’t like the versions where Karai is Shredder’s or Splinter’s daughter or descendant.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by sdp

Baxter was great, how could you not love him, I love how he keeps changing in every appearance, becoming less and less aware of what's going on as time passes.
I dislike that he's white but I just assume he has vitiligo and is actually black.

I like Baxter too, he's underrated for sure. Not among my favourites, but he stands out as a tragic character in an otherwise lighthearted show.

There is weight to your theory of 1987 Baxter being vitiligo because his mom is black in 'Shredder and Splintered'.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I like Baxter too, he's underrated for sure. Not among my favourites, but he stands out as a tragic character in an otherwise lighthearted show.

There is weight to your theory of 1987 Baxter being vitiligo because his mom is black in 'Shredder and Splintered'.

That was his mom? I thought that was an employee or maid or something.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That was his mom? I thought that was an employee or maid or something.

Now I'm questioning everything because for 12 years since I first saw the episode, I assumed she was his mom. I thought she was acting pretty motherly even though she doesn't say it outright

The lore runs deep.

[ToTheNines]

I think she calls him Mr. Baxter. Pretty sure she was just the maid.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by sdp

I dislike that he's white but I just assume he has vitiligo and is actually black.
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That would be an hilarious retcon.

[TylerD]

Originally Posted by TheLabRat

I don’t like the versions where Karai is Shredder’s or Splinter’s daughter or descendant.

I didn't know there was a version she was splinters daughter

I thought she was always related to Saki?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TylerD

I didn't know there was a version she was splinters daughter

I thought she was always related to Saki?

Not at all. In the source material (Mirage) she had nothing to do with him. She was, in fact, his boss in Japan for a time. And had her own daughter, probably about 18.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TylerD

I didn't know there was a version she was splinters daughter

I thought she was always related to Saki?

She is Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter in the 2012 show, although she is Saki's adopted daughter. They do a pretty bad job with trying to portray any sort of emotional conflict there, it could have easily been handled way better and that could be a reason to dislike it.

As for "always" related to Saki, that's a bit harder to explain. The simple breakdown goes like this:

1. Mirage, Possibly though not mentioned but almost certainly not father/daughter if it is the case.
2. 4Kids, Yes but adopted.
3. 2007, possible but not stated.
4. IDW, Yes in that she is his distant descendant.
5. 2012, I explained that one above.
6. PD, Completely unknown.
7. Rise, Yes and in turn she is the ancestor of Hamato Yoshi.
8. Last Ronin, Yes.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

As for "always" related to Saki, that's a bit harder to explain.

No it's not. The answer is NO.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No it's not. The answer is NO.

Do they ever explicitly say in Mirage that she isn't related to him? Keep in mind, the question is not if they are always Father and Daughter but just related, which could mean like second cousins.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Do they ever explicitly say in Mirage that she isn't related to him?

No. But did they ever explicitly say in Mirage that Radical isn't related to April O'Neil? No, but is there any evidence to that end, or anything even alluded to or hinted in that way? NO!

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No. But did they ever explicitly say in Mirage that Radical isn't related to April O'Neil? No, but is there any evidence to that end, or anything even alluded to or hinted in that way? NO!

They were part of the same clan.

[TylerD]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not at all. In the source material (Mirage) she had nothing to do with him. She was, in fact, his boss in Japan for a time. And had her own daughter, probably about 18.

Oh that is valid!!!! Been a while since I've read the Mirage comics.

[TylerD]

Originally Posted by neatoman

She is Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter in the 2012 show, although she is Saki's adopted daughter. They do a pretty bad job with trying to portray any sort of emotional conflict there, it could have easily been handled way better and that could be a reason to dislike it.

As for "always" related to Saki, that's a bit harder to explain. The simple breakdown goes like this:

1. Mirage, Possibly though not mentioned but almost certainly not father/daughter if it is the case.
2. 4Kids, Yes but adopted.
3. 2007, possible but not stated.
4. IDW, Yes in that she is his distant descendant.
5. 2012, I explained that one above.
6. PD, Completely unknown.
7. Rise, Yes and in turn she is the ancestor of Hamato Yoshi.
8. Last Ronin, Yes.

Thanks for the breakdown! mirage and 2007 were the two I wasn't sure

I love the change in storylines, keeps it fresh, but damn it's hard to keep them all straight lol.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I don’t like that they never gave Timothy/Mutagen Man any closure in the 2012 series. I also don’t like the human x turtle pairing.

[TylerD]

The red sky seasons (the final 2) also I wasn't a fan of. I know that's controversial and lots weren't. But some liked it.

[ToTheNines]

On the subject of 2012 Karai… she’s not even Karai, she’s Miwa.

The door is completely open for a “real” Karai to exist as someone Saki revered so much that he named his adopted daughter after her.

Originally Posted by neatoman

1. Mirage, Possibly though not mentioned but almost certainly not father/daughter if it is the case.

Almost certainly not? I’d say certainly not. All evidence points to Karai being a few years older than Saki in
Mirage.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Do they ever explicitly say in Mirage that she isn't related to him? Keep in mind, the question is not if they are always Father and Daughter but just related, which could mean like second cousins.

I’m with Andrew on this. Unfortunately we never learn Karai’s surname in Mirage but her being an Oroku would have been a massive omission and doesn’t make any sense. Plus we know from the Gang Wars arc that the Shredder Loyalists were operating in direct defiance of her.