Is the concept of Shredder himself a bad guy? Oroku Saki did nothing wrong - Page 2

*newfan* · 08-30-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

All we can gather is that he really loved his older brother. Would he still have joined the Foot and all if he hadn't been slain? Maybe, probably, but he wouldn't have had that driving principle.

Agreed, may not have ended up 'The Shredder' (or at the rank he had) without that driving force but could still have been in the foot. Also, given what Nagi did, what kind of role model would he have been had he lived.

Certainly room to flesh out the character, interested to see what you do with him in your comic.

*CyberCubed* · 08-30-2021, 07:51 AM

It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive. That doesn't make Shredder a bad guy, it's just that he has a vendetta.

*Xav* · 08-30-2021, 09:26 AM

To be fair we only believe Shredder to be evil based on the story told be Splinter. I would be interesting if he wasn't telling the truth.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-30-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by newfan

Agreed, may not have ended up 'The Shredder' (or at the rank he had) without that driving force but could still have been in the foot. Also, given what Nagi did, what kind of role model would he have been had he lived.

Certainly room to flesh out the character, interested to see what you do with him in your comic.

For all we know, Nagi was a wonderful brother and a paragon of virtue... who just had 1 very bad day.

*newfan* · 08-30-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

For all we know, Nagi was a wonderful brother and a paragon of virtue... who just had 1 very bad day.

This is true, my speculation is just going on assumptions but a story could be told that portrayed him that way.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 08-30-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive.

No, it isn't.

shredder orokusaki · 08-30-2021, 01:38 PM

The 2012 Splinter was the very bad. His father killed my family and then adopted me and raised me as their son without knowing the truth until i grew up. I had every reason to hate and kill Splinter and his family for what they did to me.

*newfan* · 08-30-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

The 2012 Splinter was the very bad. His father killed my family and then adopted me and raised me as their son without knowing the truth until i grew up. I had every reason to hate and kill Splinter and his family for what they did to me.

Splinter/Yoshi himself was bad because his father killed Saki's parents?

~~ABrown~~ · 09-01-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive. That doesn't make Shredder a bad guy, it's just that he has a vendetta.

A vendetta IS a motive for murdering someone. Pretty much by definition a "murder" requires motive. Otherwise, what did the person do? Kill them by accident?

TylerD · 09-01-2021, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

He murdered two people out of revenge and is explicitly stated to be involved with several criminal activities afterwards, including drug smuggling and assassinations, within the US so it can't be argued that it is "legitimate business elsewhere". He may be more sympathetic than in most adaptations but he is certainly still a bad person.

Lol, well said.

*IMJ* · 09-01-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive.

Uhhhhhh.....
-snicker-

Cubed..... uhhh... can you do me a solid and confess just this once whether or not this was a troll-style-comment or your honest head math? Cuz I can't tell.

*Anarchistguy* · 09-01-2021, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive. That doesn't make Shredder a bad guy, it's just that he has a vendetta.

"It's ok to kill people"

This person just said that it's ok to kill people...

Kind sir, you need to go buy some crazy glue because you are CRACKED!!!

And yes....I'm aware of the irony of my signature

Wartortle · 09-01-2021, 09:19 PM

You people are messed up. Murder is not justified because of a grudge. If someone murders your brother that person is evil. If you murder them you are also evil. If that person has family or anyone who cares about them then you just created a grudge for them against you. By your logic they'd be perfectly within their rights to murder you. This cycle continues forever if this is considered justified.

An eye for an eye and the world goes blind.

"It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive."

Probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Also, does this mean it is only not okay to kill people if there is no motive? Why bother killing someone if there is no motive?

*frank_one* · 09-02-2021, 03:39 PM

Well, in real life a lot of murders happen without an actual motive, out of boredom AND mental illness.
"It's ok to kill people". Yes, in comics and movies this is often accepted.

08-30-2021, 01:38 PM	#27
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,407	The 2012 Splinter was the very bad. His father killed my family and then adopted me and raised me as their son without knowing the truth until i grew up. I had every reason to hate and kill Splinter and his family for what they did to me. __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

08-30-2021, 07:51 AM	#22
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive. That doesn't make Shredder a bad guy, it's just that he has a vendetta.

08-30-2021, 09:26 AM	#23
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,977	To be fair we only believe Shredder to be evil based on the story told be Splinter. I would be interesting if he wasn't telling the truth.

09-01-2021, 09:19 PM	#33
Wartortle Mouser Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 7	You people are messed up. Murder is not justified because of a grudge. If someone murders your brother that person is evil. If you murder them you are also evil. If that person has family or anyone who cares about them then you just created a grudge for them against you. By your logic they'd be perfectly within their rights to murder you. This cycle continues forever if this is considered justified. An eye for an eye and the world goes blind. "It's ok to kill people as long as you have a motive." Probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Also, does this mean it is only not okay to kill people if there is no motive? Why bother killing someone if there is no motive?

09-02-2021, 03:39 PM	#34
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 1,984	Well, in real life a lot of murders happen without an actual motive, out of boredom AND mental illness. "It's ok to kill people". Yes, in comics and movies this is often accepted.