Unrest in Ukraine

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Tensions between Russia and Ukraine are growing. Russia does not want Ukraine to join the NATO, and many people now fear a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Like other Eastern European countries, Russia travelled in the directon towards democracy during the 1990's and early 21st century (while it had its economic problems). But while the other joined the EU or NATO, recent years saw Russia travelling in the oppsite direction, and is now becoming a dysfunctional democracy that threatens its neighbourhood.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60448162

[Sumac]

Make it "totalitarian five-minutes-away-from-Fascism ineffective state, full of corruption".
The only differences between Russia and some banana republic are territory and nukes.

As for stuff with Ukraine - I don't know anymore what Putin, wants, but it will be clear over the course of the next few days.

Edit:
Putin made an emergency speech on TV. Given his rhetoric, bald dwarf has finished his evolution in a Russian version of a Hitler.

[ZariusTwo]

[IndigoErth]

Well in that case Ukraine should definitely be allowed to join NATO and Putin can either piss off or be made to wish he had.

What is his deal anyhow? More territory? Childish pot stirring on the world stage or just dick waving?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well in that case Ukraine should definitely be allowed to join NATO and Putin can either piss off or be made to wish he had.

What is his deal anyhow? More territory? Childish pot stirring on the world stage or just dick waving?

All these years in power, with (real) stolen elections made him corrupt. Vladimir Putin now sees the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War as a catastrophe (which is strange, since he is not a Communist but rather a Nationalist), and now he seeks revenge.

It can be compared to a guy with moustache in Germany, who saw the defeat of the German Empire in World War I and the establishment of the Weimar Republic as a catastrophe. He came to power in 1933, and sought revenge...

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

All these years in power, with (real) stolen elections made him corrupt. Vladimir Putin now sees the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War as a catastrophe (which is strange, since he is not a Communist but rather a Nationalist), and now he seeks revenge.

It can be compared to a guy with moustache in Germany, who saw the defeat of the German Empire in World War I and the establishment of the Weimar Republic as a catastrophe. He came to power in 1933, and sought revenge...

Very well stated.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well in that case Ukraine should definitely be allowed to join NATO and Putin can either piss off or be made to wish he had.

It is impossible, since according to own NATO's rules, country which have conflicts on its territory can not become part of NATO. Which supposedly was one of the main reasons for starting DNR LNR **** in the first place.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

What is his deal anyhow? More territory? Childish pot stirring on the world stage or just dick waving?

One reason is that dwarf wants to boost up his ratings, which are extremely low due to the tanking economy and Russia effective fight against COVID (spoiler: it was not effective at all).
Another, he seemingly really thinks of himself as Russian Tsar who gathers old Russian territories - an idea existing, since they days of actual Russian Empire.

It doesn't make him a Communist, since late USSR, where Pitler is from, had very little in common with Communism. It does make him run-of-the-mill Imperialist, who believes that "territory is everything", and, "if your country is bigger than the rest, it is also more powerful and feared".

Which shows that oldman completely lost touch with reality and seemingly doesn't have a basic grasp on economy, modern technology and how relationship between modern countries work.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

In 2014 Crimea was taken from Ukraine from Russia after the Ukrainian president was ousted. Now, it appears that this is a sequel. Do these people actually want to switch from Ukraine to Russia or is it a certain section of the Ukraine?

You mean separatist republics?

I think, originally locals, like in Crimea, were on board, since culturally they were more Russians, than Ukrainians. It doesn't help that Russian propaganda created a whole storm of "fake news" about atrocities of Ukrainian army and their version of Nazis groups, against Russian-speaking people of Ukraine including rape, crucifixion (!!) and ol'good genocide.

So people were scared and were willing to accept new pro-Russian separatist leadership. Thing is, 8 years later, it had become obvious that their life has not become better under quasi-Russian control. Those republics are ruled by ruthless and dumb gangs of mercenaries, whose leaders at each throats. Its basically low scale Mad Max in post-Soviet cities. It hadn't changed as well.

Local people, obviously has no power in their own "independent (ha-ha) republics", which are ultimately ordered around by Moscow enforcers. So, whatever, "documents" and "pleas" are coming from those republics are basically, what Moscow had ordered local governments to say.

So, to sum it up: locals has no say in their destiny and every time you hear from pro-Russian source that "people of Luhansk / Donetsk had chosen this and that", it is a lie and was down by orders from Moscow.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I am just trying to get a non-political insight. On the surface it appears Vladimir Putin bullying the Ukraine into being fully absorbed and the west is trying to use diplomacy to stop it though NATO may be an option.

NATO won't be an option, because, they won't get into conflict with nuclear power, because, of Ukraine.

Also, I don't think Pitler wants to get whole Ukraine: country is divided into Western and Eastern parts. Historically Western part is pro-West, it has its own culture, craving for independency and hatred for the Russians, who they consider usurpers and conquerors.

Eastern Ukraine, on contrary, is pro-Russian - they culture leans towards being more Russian-like and they predominantly speak Russian as their main language. However, after shitshow with separatists republics, even those people are not fans of Pitler's Russia.

If old dwarf will try to conquer Ukraine as a whole - he will end up with guerilla warfare and acts of terror of unprecedent scale, so maximum he can try is to conquer Eastern part of the country and now, even this looks like no easy task.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Is there a difference this time where the people wanted to be annexed before and these don't which is why the U.N. didn't act last time? Like I said, I don't want any political issues here, just clarification. It is hard to do that through news media.

The only reason separatist republics were not annexed is, because, they were more useful as separatist republics. Now, it might change.

[Leo656]

It's funny, back when I used to move furniture I met a few guys from Russia, Ukraine... Even a couple from Georgia (country, not state). I remember the one guy, Vladimir, one day he was just constantly giving this other guy (whose name I forget) the stinkeye, and I asked him what was up. They sounded similar (to my ears) so I was like "I thought you Russian guys would all stick together?" He got all animated and was like "That guy not Russian! He from f*cking Ukraine! Those people are crazy!" I didn't ask him to elaborate, but it was funny.

One thing ALL of those guys told me, though - independently and years apart - was that no matter what they did on the surface, the Russian government had no intention of ever letting the past go and were obsessed with regaining whatever status and glory they'd lost over the latter half of the 20th Century. That even if it takes 200 years, they're hellbent on "ruling the world" again and will stop at nothing to see it through. Like they're the actual Legion of Doom over there.

Wouldn't doubt it.

[ChosenOne]

Russia has pretty much lost the war the moment they had to flee from Kherson with their tails between their legs. Get f*cked, Putin!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Russia has pretty much lost the war the moment they had to flee from Kherson with their tails between their legs. Get f*cked, Putin!

At this point, he already knows he will lose everything and eventually end up in the Hauge. What Russia does in Ukraine now is just genocide.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

At this point, he already knows he will lose everything and eventually end up in the Hauge. What Russia does in Ukraine now is just genocide.

We might see his flunkies in the Hague, but I don't think we'll ever see Putin himself. He'll calm his nerves with a nice cup of tea first.

[ChosenOne]

It's true. Here we go...

[ChosenOne]

Well... Apocalypse averted, I guess. For now.

[1987]

So now they’re saying it was a Ukraine missile that hit Poland?

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...se-system/amp/

And that it wasn’t actually an attack?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/10709829002/

[Mayhem]

It was, but it sounds like it was an anti missile defence system that missed its target and went into Poland. Ukraine's ultimate fault, but if there weren't Russian missiles heading to targets in Ukraine, it wouldn't have been fired so...

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

It was, but it sounds like it was an anti missile defence system that missed its target and went into Poland. Ukraine's ultimate fault, but if there weren't Russian missiles heading to targets in Ukraine, it wouldn't have been fired so...

That makes it Russia's ultimate fault. The sad thing about playing with fire is that innocents also very often get burned.

[1987]

This whole thing is ridiculous. Yes I feel bad for the actually innocent people dying over this, but it’s really a corrupt money laundering operation by globalists, they’ve been caught funneling money sent to Ukraine back to themselves through FTX bitcoin but of course the corporate media will write articles to debunk that as a conspiracy theory. It’s a Hollywood sh**show.

[ChosenOne]

Even if such an incident were to occur, whether organically or fabricated, there's no guarantee the US/NATO wouldn't just downplay and/or try to cover it up to avoid a catastrophic escalation. Heck, there's even a not-insignificant chance that's what happened the other day in Poland.

[IMJ]

I could just as easily believe that Ukraine staged a psy-op with the rocket into Poland to cultivate support as I could that Russia did it as agent-provocateur's per Putin's M.O. - the same as ordering fighters to fly over Alaska on purpose and then fly away.

[ChosenOne]

Wishful thinking? Or kernel of truth?