Do you think Bebop and Rocksteady will be human before mutation?

*CyberCubed* · 03-31-2015, 10:42 PM

Since we know Bebop/Rocksteady are going to be in this film, how do you think they will be handled? I'll hate it if they go the "lab animals mutated" route with these two.

In every incarnation Bebop and Rocksteady were humans (original cartoon, Archie, IDW and Nick) prior to their mutation and Bebop was always black. Rocksteady became Russian in the Nick show but he still has blonde hair in every incarnation.

A part of what makes Bebop/Rocksteady appealing is they weren't just "farm animals" mutated but had prior human lives. It was the first "humans to animal" mutations we ever had in the series besides Splinter's human origin. What do you think?

sethmartin · 03-31-2015, 10:47 PM

I've always liked the "animals becoming humanoid" version of the ooze better than "last animal you touched" version. However, I agree with you on Bebop and Rocksteady starting as humans. They will probably just follow the same mutagen rules as the first movie, but you never know.

*IndigoErth* · 03-31-2015, 10:56 PM

I would kind of prefer it and it would seem a bit more reasonable that they were sneaky and somehow obtained DNA from those animals to use. Rather than, I dunno, stealing animals from the zoo?

At the same time though, if these two happen because Eric Sacks sets out to recreate the mutagen and make more mutants... How humans turn into another species would require more explanation when that wasn't what happened before.

Although personally, given how human these Turtles leaned, I wish they'd just go ahead and reveal that human DNA was involved to begin with with them. And I guess that way they could just claim to have recreated the mutagen but reversed the DNA part by using warthog and rhino DNA on humans this time.

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:00 PM

I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel.

So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact.

*CyberCubed* · 03-31-2015, 11:02 PM

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:04 PM

What if Bebop is "Jamaican Black" as opposed to "African Black"? Still good?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-31-2015, 11:07 PM

Fuuny, Cubed- here I thought your biggest beef would be "more nostrils".....

~~Commenter 42~~ · 04-01-2015, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

Make that two of us - I fully support this.

That being said, I wouldn't count on seeing them as humans for long, if at all.
Any real explanation or backstory will be eschewed for basketball or goofy Vernon tripping over himself on a date.

You know, the important stuff.

I sure hope he makes another sandwich, cause damn, that was riveting!

*Andrew NDB* · 04-01-2015, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

I'd be livid for even including them at a--... you know what, nevermind. Just let this trainwreck happen, and further sink anything resembling a proper Turtles movie movie by another 10 years.

*Xav* · 03-31-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel.

So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact.

Wouldn't the original script be the Blue Door?

*Leo656* · 03-31-2015, 11:38 PM

You know what I mean, the script that they were in the middle of filming when they had people from Latino Review on the set. There was a whole subplot about Sachs using the mutagen on Foot soldiers to create super-soldiers that was apparently filmed and then dropped from the final movie, probably because it betrayed Sachs as being Shredder, either in reference or otherwise.

Huzzah · 03-31-2015, 10:48 PM

Honestly I see them keeping the human to mutant mutation. Unlike the Turtles, Bebop and Rocksteady have maintained a consistent origin, insofar as being human furst,

03-31-2015, 10:42 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	Do you think Bebop and Rocksteady will be human before mutation? Since we know Bebop/Rocksteady are going to be in this film, how do you think they will be handled? I'll hate it if they go the "lab animals mutated" route with these two. In every incarnation Bebop and Rocksteady were humans (original cartoon, Archie, IDW and Nick) prior to their mutation and Bebop was always black. Rocksteady became Russian in the Nick show but he still has blonde hair in every incarnation. A part of what makes Bebop/Rocksteady appealing is they weren't just "farm animals" mutated but had prior human lives. It was the first "humans to animal" mutations we ever had in the series besides Splinter's human origin. What do you think?

03-31-2015, 11:00 PM	#4
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I bet that in the original script for the first one, where they used the mutagen on the Foot to create super-soldier mutants, that idea was pitched with the idea of using a similar method to create Bebop and Rocksteady in the sequel. So, it could be a remnant of a discarded earlier idea, basically. It might be tough to explain in this one, but possibly easier if they had kept the original plot for the first one intact. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

03-31-2015, 11:04 PM	#6
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	What if Bebop is "Jamaican Black" as opposed to "African Black"? Still good? __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

03-31-2015, 11:07 PM	#7
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	Fuuny, Cubed- here I thought your biggest beef would be "more nostrils"..... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

03-31-2015, 11:38 PM	#11
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	You know what I mean, the script that they were in the middle of filming when they had people from Latino Review on the set. There was a whole subplot about Sachs using the mutagen on Foot soldiers to create super-soldiers that was apparently filmed and then dropped from the final movie, probably because it betrayed Sachs as being Shredder, either in reference or otherwise. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

03-31-2015, 10:47 PM	#2
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	I've always liked the "animals becoming humanoid" version of the ooze better than "last animal you touched" version. However, I agree with you on Bebop and Rocksteady starting as humans. They will probably just follow the same mutagen rules as the first movie, but you never know.

03-31-2015, 10:56 PM	#3
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,234	I would kind of prefer it and it would seem a bit more reasonable that they were sneaky and somehow obtained DNA from those animals to use. Rather than, I dunno, stealing animals from the zoo? At the same time though, if these two happen because Eric Sacks sets out to recreate the mutagen and make more mutants... How humans turn into another species would require more explanation when that wasn't what happened before. Although personally, given how human these Turtles leaned, I wish they'd just go ahead and reveal that human DNA was involved to begin with with them. And I guess that way they could just claim to have recreated the mutagen but reversed the DNA part by using warthog and rhino DNA on humans this time.

03-31-2015, 11:02 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	I will be absolutely livid if Bebop isn't black and Rocksteady isn't white before mutation. I hate whitewashing and it was bad enough they originally planned to do it with Shredder with Eric Sachs.

03-31-2015, 10:48 PM	#12
Huzzah Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Independence, Louisiana Posts: 1,124	Honestly I see them keeping the human to mutant mutation. Unlike the Turtles, Bebop and Rocksteady have maintained a consistent origin, insofar as being human furst, __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/93225684@N02/ https://tmntnextmutation.wordpress.com/