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Old 04-01-2015, 02:50 AM   #21
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They showed the turtles growing up as a flashback in the first one, so if Shredder wants useful muscle now it'll pretty much have to be adult human bruisers turned into mutants.

Unless they do indeed make some dumb "fast acting" mutagen that somehow makes them full size and brained. As full brained as those two can be, anyway. Which since that's a dumb idea, I won't be shocked if that's the case.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:53 AM   #22
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Bebop generally has to be human because it explains where the shades and purple mohawk are from. Why would an animal be able to grow human hair (that's dyed purple no less) and wear sunglasses? It makes no sense.
Don had glasses and Raph had sunglasses in the first film.
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Old 04-01-2015, 03:17 AM   #23
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Does it really matter what ethnicity Bebop and Rocksteady are? I think really we should go for who would work in the role, and my ideal casting is Michael Chiklis as Bebop and Terry Crews as Rocksteady, yes the races are inverted to what we commonly see, but does it really matter? If the actors for the roles are right, there's no point in arguing what race they are. Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury worked great (even though the Ultimate one was already based on him) and as did Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Personally, I'll even be fine with them simply being animals first, given that I don't honestly think Bebop's shades and purple mohawk work in this more gritty film universe. Give him some tactical goggles and maybe a brown tuft roughly in the shape of a mohawk on his head and I'll be happy.
Except that, those are horrible choices and don't really fit the characters?
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Old 04-01-2015, 03:23 AM   #24
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Except that, those are horrible choices and don't really fit the characters?
Rocksteady is brash, loud, violent and impulsive and Bebop is a gruff New Yorker. Chiklis demonstrated he's great at doing a good New York accent and working under cgi/makeup given that he played The Thing in the Fantastic Four movies and Terry Crews can bring the comedy as well as be fairly intimidating. I don't see an issue with my choices. Probably better than whoever Bay is going to hire. Probably Tyreese Gibson and John Tuturro knowing him.

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They showed the turtles growing up as a flashback in the first one, so if Shredder wants useful muscle now it'll pretty much have to be adult human bruisers turned into mutants.

Unless they do indeed make some dumb "fast acting" mutagen that somehow makes them full size and brained. As full brained as those two can be, anyway. Which since that's a dumb idea, I won't be shocked if that's the case.
To be honest, the original movies had the turtles growing up too and yet Tokka and Rahzar were instantaneous. Expecting a movie to give some kind of explanation if they were to instantly transform is probably asking too much. I think the turtles were babies as well, so just get a warthog and rhino that are older, I.E. the animal equivalent of their 30's and mutate them. I think due to the short lifespan of rodents that Splinter was older, even though realistically he's probably about a year or two old, given that most rats don't live that long at all, 4 years at the very most.
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Bebop and Rocksteady's ethnicities does not matter, but it's not like when Jackson was cast as Nick Fury because he could play the part. It's more like it's an irrelevant question considering that they will run around as monsters for most of the movie, if not all of the movie.
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Old 04-01-2015, 04:39 AM   #26
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To be honest, the original movies had the turtles growing up too and yet Tokka and Rahzar were instantaneous. Expecting a movie to give some kind of explanation if they were to instantly transform is probably asking too much. I think the turtles were babies as well, so just get a warthog and rhino that are older, I.E. the animal equivalent of their 30's and mutate them. I think due to the short lifespan of rodents that Splinter was older, even though realistically he's probably about a year or two old, given that most rats don't live that long at all, 4 years at the very most.
Yeah, but they had childish brains because they didn't grow up. I assume they want these guys to be able to speak sentences at least?
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Who even said anything about them mutating within the movie? The movie will probably take place two years after the events of the first movie, that's plenty of time to make a pair of mutants.
I guess, if you don't mind them having the sentience and minds of a 2 year-old.

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Old 04-01-2015, 01:09 PM   #28
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Because I'm sure TPTB will want him to be recognizable.
Maybe, but that certainly can't be said of Rocksteady's concept art-



& to think, we thought the turtles had it bad.
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I guess, if you don't mind them having the sentience and minds of a 2 year-old.



Because I'm sure TPTB will want him to be recognizable.
Just because they have have been mutated for two years does not necessarily mean they have the minds of two year olds.
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Although it's not like the original Bebop and Rocksteady were much more intelligent than two year olds.


And I think a warthog monster in punk clothes is recognisable with or without a ridiculous hairstyle.

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Maybe, but that certainly can't be said of Rocksteady's concept art-

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& to think, we thought the turtles had it bad.
Yeah film producers don't care much about accuracy.



Also, that kinda looks like Tokka, does it not?
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Maybe, but that certainly can't be said of Rocksteady's concept art-

http://i61.tinypic.com/2vim5qv.jpg

& to think, we thought the turtles had it bad.


Good news, Turtles. By the time this set of movies calls it quits and they're done making fugly monsters for you to fight, you'll probably leave it looking adorable in comparison.
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Just because they have have been mutated for two years does not necessarily mean they have the minds of two year olds.
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Although it's not like the original Bebop and Rocksteady were much more intelligent than two year olds.
That was exactly the point I made earlier.
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That was exactly the point I made earlier.
Then who is really going to care about their intellect?
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Then who is really going to care about their intellect?
The people making the movie. Unless they're truly going balls-deep into Fred Wolf.
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The people making the movie. Unless they're truly going balls-deep into Fred Wolf.
Hahaha! You literally just said Michael Bay and crew intend to have sex with Fred Wolf the person!

Ahem, on to your true intent, would that really shock you? I mean the first one was basically as close to the Fred Wolf cartoon as any movie has gotten do far, it's arguably even closer to the Fred Wolf cartoon than the Nicktoon.
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The 2014 movie was closer to Next Mutation than anything else.
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Maybe, but that certainly can't be said of Rocksteady's concept art-

http://i61.tinypic.com/2vim5qv.jpg

& to think, we thought the turtles had it bad.
Sooooooo wrong. So very wrong.
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Maybe, but that certainly can't be said of Rocksteady's concept art-

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& to think, we thought the turtles had it bad.
Doomsday and Rocksteady had a lovechild!?
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The 2014 movie was closer to Next Mutation than anything else.
Which would annoy me even more but how so?
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In what way?
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In what way?
They both sucked !!!!! (Peanut Gallery)

Seriously though. Design wise the two are very similar.
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