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AlZarkovski
11-30-2015, 03:33 AM
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg.html)
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg.html)

Candy Kappa
11-30-2015, 03:46 AM
Who in the design department has a fetish of putting pants on turtles? :lol:

At least Leo don't have his magically glued-on shoulder plates and that sushi rolling mat over his chest. But Raph has nicked 1 of Leo's shoulder plates, no doubt to look edgy and kewl. Still too much junk on them, maybe in the 4th movie we'll get a more traditional look.

Those poor toppers need more paint.

Powder
11-30-2015, 03:48 AM
WHY THE HELL ARE THEY WEARING EVEN MORE CLOTHES?!

Argh. Leather daddy lookin' ass mothaf*ckas...

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 03:50 AM
Looks like Don is going to be bigger.

Bay's notes "YO! Broseph! The nerd was too nerdy...pump the bitch up"

Candy Kappa
11-30-2015, 04:10 AM
Argh. Leather daddy lookin' ass mothaf*ckas...

They're the new entry to the Village People. Beefy Leather Ninjas.

pennydreadful
11-30-2015, 05:12 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/CAHeTghp45wyc/giphy.gif

The only thing that salves my contempt for this farce is thinking about the amount of pornographic fanart that's going to be ahem pumped out using these bro-tastic bara designs. :lol:

We're in your interwebz... gayin' up your BayTurtles.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 05:13 AM
Ok.
Really? I liked the movie, but this might ruin it for me.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 05:39 AM
On the plus side, I think I'll quit my job, and go to work for Popcorn Nachos Equipment. (http://www.pco-group.com/fr/)

ToTheNines
11-30-2015, 05:42 AM
Lookin like hammered dog sh*t.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 05:52 AM
Lookin like hammered dog sh*t.

For once, I can't argue with that.

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 06:54 AM
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg.html)
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg.html)
at least Leo doesn't have that chest plate on, but whats up with Raph's left arm? He's wearing more protection on his left then his right.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 07:20 AM
AMAZING.

They've somehow both gone the opposite direction of what fans wanted AND stayed in the exact same sh*tty place.

Amazing.

Sabacooza
11-30-2015, 07:37 AM
:lol: They look like something out of Magic Mike. Apparently this movie can get worse.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 07:44 AM
http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/dancing-pants.gif

Leo656
11-30-2015, 08:00 AM
Ouch. Awful.

They're not gonna be happy until the "turtles" are literally just four bodybuilders painted green. Wearing cargo pants, apparently.

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 08:08 AM
at least Raph doesn't have those glasses on above his bandana, or the one hanging on Mikey's neck.

and Donnie doesn't have that battery pack on his back, so maybe he's using another source of power that is much smaller, though still having those glasses.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 08:20 AM
I had absolutely zero hopes after last time anyway, but the fact that these losers can't get a single thing right about anything is infuriating.

I mean how is it even possible to ONLY make bad decisions? I mean, who the f*** is Raphael fisting, with his elbow-length fetish-glove?! (Leo, meanwhile, looking like he just got done fisting someone... what the HELL is going on with HIS right arm?! :lol:)

For f*ck's sake. This is painful. Someone find the morons doing character design and hide their f*cking crayons already.

bushido
11-30-2015, 08:39 AM
God please have mercy...:tcry::tgrumble::tsad::tmad::tevil:
Now I feel angry. It's a systematic, methodical and organized destruction of the universe we love. How can we stop these permanent spitting in our faces?

tmnt transformer
11-30-2015, 08:48 AM
at least Raph doesn't have those glasses on above his bandana, or the one hanging on Mikey's neck.

and Donnie doesn't have that battery pack on his back, so maybe he's using another source of power that is much smaller, though still having those glasses.

Mikey still has the glasses, they just aren't painted.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:18 AM
For f*ck's sake. This is painful. Someone find the morons doing character design and hide their f*cking crayons already.

His name is Jared. He's already identified himself as a member here. Monstermash 42.

Please, feel free to have at it. :lol:

God please have mercy...:tcry::tgrumble::tsad::tmad::tevil:
Now I feel angry. It's a systematic, methodical and organized destruction of the universe we love. How can we stop these permanent spitting in our faces?

Same.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:20 AM
Nothing that evil is the work of just one guy.

But seriously. Leo's arms and hands look like he just got finished taking a horse's rectal temperature. I'd definitely be curious as to what brought that on.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 09:23 AM
Nothing that evil is the work of just one guy.

But seriously. Leo's arms and hands look like he just got finished taking a horse's rectal temperature. I'd definitely be curious as to what brought that on.

So much leather.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:31 AM
The awful paint job on those things really highlights the "Shell Abs", too. :lol:

If anything they're even more humanoid than the last time. That's awful.

It's convenient that C42's sig pic is at the bottom of Page 1. My wife and I were looking at the picture up top of the cake toppers, and I was able to conveniently scroll between the pic of the "Classic" TMNT at the bottom of the screen and this abomination, and I said, "If you didn't already know, and I told you that both of these pictures were technically of the same thing, you would NEVER believe me in a million years." Other than being green, they have not a single thing in common. Comparing them, the new designs don't even look a thing like "Ninja Turtles", they look like four bodybuilders, painted green, wearing army gear backpacks. I mean their "shells" literally look like they're being held in place by all those straps.

"That's still good enough!" - PD's art department and a million delusional apologists. F*cking trash.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:39 AM
Nothing that evil is the work of just one guy.

But seriously. Leo's arms and hands look like he just got finished taking a horse's rectal temperature. I'd definitely be curious as to what brought that on.

It's him and a few others. They all photobash the same way. Kelton Cram is also guilty.

Crams' Shredder design
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vfSwkuObN3U/VLiZhHoHK0I/AAAAAAAAAfA/ISCFxKDYzCg/s1600/Post%2B2.jpg

https://www.artstation.com/artist/jaredkrichevsky

He's also one of the guys who had "ideas" about how to "improve" Spiderman's costume.

He's also the same guy who designed the angels for Noah's ark
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OyoGy

Are we seeing a pattern yet? :lol:

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:43 AM
After a quick skim:

To be fair, I could never do anything like that in a billion years. Kills me what people can do with computers these days.

On the other hand: My, someone's a real fan of "busy" designs and clutter.

That "Shredder" is the drizzling sh*ts. Yeow.

Mew
11-30-2015, 09:43 AM
It's him and a few others. They all photobash the same way. Kelton Cram is also guilty.

Crams' Shredder design
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vfSwkuObN3U/VLiZhHoHK0I/AAAAAAAAAfA/ISCFxKDYzCg/s1600/Post%2B2.jpg

https://www.artstation.com/artist/jaredkrichevsky

He's also one of the guys who had "ideas" about how to "improve" Spiderman's costume.

He's also the same guy who designed the angels for Noah's ark
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OyoGy

Are we seeing a pattern yet? :lol:
That looks awesome......but it's not Shredder.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:47 AM
I'm not convinced that's even awesome. Awesome as what, exactly? It's just a jumbled-up, over-designed mess, some army guy with blades stuck to him in a bunch of odd and impractical places.

Maybe as a sub-boss in a video game or something. I mean video game characters are over-designed on purpose. Come to think of it, yeah, I definitely get a "Rejected From Metal Gear Solid V" vibe off of that guy.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:48 AM
After a quick skim:

To be fair, I could never do anything like that in a billion years. Kills me what people can do with computers these days.

On the other hand: My, someone's a real fan of "busy" designs and clutter.

That "Shredder" is the drizzling sh*ts. Yeow.

Trust me, once you learn photoshop, it a'int hard to "overpaint".

Basically lots of these guys start with a photo, then add "stuff" till it looks different. It's not art.

Some guys use a 3d tool, that, again, takes a bit to master, but definately does a lot of the heavy lifting.

NONE of these guys are sitting down with raw materials and starting from scratch. Once you know how they do it, it's far from impresive.

Short answer? yeah, if you took the same classes, for two years, you couldn't do worse.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:51 AM
I still draw with a pencil. On actual paper. No foolin'. I'm living in caves compared to these mooks nowadays. :lol: Their worst is still "better" than anything I could ever do, or at least "slicker". :trazz:

Bad design is still bad design, though.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 09:52 AM
And just for fun, here are the original 2014 cake toppers

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2014/03/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Live-Action-Movie-Cake-Toppers.png

The new ones are vaaastly different from the old ones, but also exactly the same somehow.

The whole loin cloth thing is gone, but now they all just wearing pants.

Leo is significantly MORE covered, now both arms are. Minus the chest thing and shoulder pads.

Raph is also more covered now. Pants and one long bicep length glove and a shoulder thing on his left arm, and one lone Michael Jackson glove on his right hand. Full bandana mask remains because reasons. As you can see on the old cake topper image sunglasses weren't there either so they may still be included because that's apparently what makes him cool but rude.

Gimme a break.

Donnie also no longer has a loin cloth thing but now full pants and JUST suspenders, because nerd. Still has glasses or goggles AS WELL AS the ecto goggles on his head. His shell looks considerably bigger and more detailed than the others, indicating that he's still got sh*t all over it. Might just be the angle but I doubt it. He also looks slightly bigger/bulkier because Bay wills it I guess.

Mikey looks mostly the same. Still got the stupid glasses which I assume will mean he's still got the stupid necklace. He's still tying a sweater or jacket around his wait even though he literally still has pants.

There you go. They're mostly different but in a worse way, still retaining all the things they shouldn't.

This is probably definitely how they'll look in the movie.

DioLeo451
11-30-2015, 09:53 AM
:tconfuse:Eh ok I guess

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:57 AM
That looks awesome......but it's not Shredder.

See Mew, the thing Leo is getting at is this: art is about more than just blending up awesome stuff to get more awesome stuff.

I love lobster, and I love Nutella spread, and I love fresh orange juice. I also enjoy brushing my teeth.

Guess what doesn't go together?

Art can be driven by discord, but most often, in the natural world, there's a harmonious balance to living things. When you design said things, for the audience to buy that they exist, you need to understand more than just how the tool works.

This is why young "rockstar" designers in the artworld are RARE, and also why modern art is easy.

The reason I use this sig in particular, is that it's an example of great design. No they don't look like turtles, and yet, you know they are turtles. They're bodies are vastly out of proportion, and yet, it looks plausible and functional some how. GOOD design.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 10:03 AM
"More straps! More claws! More guns! GIVE HIM A JETPACK!" - The Rob Liefeld/Image Comics School of Art & Design.

Literally. That's the entire curriculum. :lol:

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 10:07 AM
"More straps! More claws! More guns! GIVE HIM A JETPACK!" - The Rob Liefeld/Image Comics School of Art & Design.

Literally. That's the entire curriculum. :lol:

Problem is, this goof has been hired for almost every single "creature" show going. He must have other "talents".

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 10:10 AM
"More straps! More claws! More guns! GIVE HIM A JETPACK!" - The Rob Liefeld/Image Comics School of Art & Design.

Literally. That's the entire curriculum. :lol:

By the third movie they'll be completely covered from neck to foot in black leather body suits, and will have pouches all over them.

Donnie will have an entirely robotic shell. Raphael will carry two large guns with his sais strapped to the bottom of them like bayonets.

At the end of the movie he'll blow Krang away and say "Cowa-mother f*cking-bunga, bitch."

Leo656
11-30-2015, 10:11 AM
Problem is, this goof has been hired for almost every single "creature" show going. He must have other "talents".

https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/olivia-munn-hot-dog.gif?w=488&h=452
:tgrin:

((Pictured above: Actual Psylocke audition footage from "X-Men: Apocalypse". :tgrin: :tgrin: :tgrin:))

The Turtle Terminator
11-30-2015, 10:18 AM
WTF IS THAT ****. I WANT MY TURTLES. NOT THAT. THIS IS A WORSE REVEAL THAN THE COSTUME FROM THE FIRST MOVIE!!

(This is a Photoshop prank isnt it?)

Krutch
11-30-2015, 10:24 AM
I'm going to guess the bottom halves aren't painted yet. Mikey's still wearing shorts.

d_osborn
11-30-2015, 10:27 AM
Looks like ass. I'll be there opening day.

I wish Paramount becomes the target of ISIS. Je ne suis pas Paramount.
Stay classy, Technodrome!

Sabacooza
11-30-2015, 10:31 AM
His name is Jared. He's already identified himself as a member here. Monstermash 42.

Please, feel free to have at it. :lol:



Same.I'd put more of the blame on Bay and the higher ups. I'm sure they're giving him the crappy direction but I'd say he's also guilty to an extent as well.

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 10:34 AM
I'm not really surprised by the reactions from those toppers, just no one seems to be happy about the idea of clothing on the Turtles, even though they worn clothing in the comics and cartoons, though for a brief moment when in disguise.

I guess from the filmmaker's eyes, they see the Turtles as naked, and thought putting on clothing would hide there junk, but you never see a bulge on there crotch anyways.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 10:42 AM
I'd put more of the blame on Bay and the higher ups. I'm sure they're giving him the crappy direction.

I can't prove it, but I swear that I saw one of the designers on reddit say Bay said he wanted the Turtles bigger and bulkier. "Make 'em bigger" or something like that.

even though they worn clothing in the comics and cartoons, though for a brief moment when in disguise.

Yes. A brief moment. For disguise purposes. Or other one off needs.

Their main articles of every day wear being headband masks, elbow pads, knee pads, and assorted accoutrement to hold their weapons when not in use. And, more recently, athletic tape around hands, knees, and feet.

That's the main stuff. Now, can they have little subtle flourishes distinct to each Turtle that shows off a bit of personality? Of course. I've posted what I'd like to see each of them wear elsewhere, and it's nowhere near as extreme as PD Turtles are.

There's a point where it becomes ridiculous and too damn much. Platinum Dunes crossed that line and set fire to it long ago.

pdizzle
11-30-2015, 10:43 AM
why are we yet again getting our first look at the turtles in the form of toys in a sequel to what was considered a financially successful movie instead of actual pictures from the company itself...

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 10:43 AM
I'd put more of the blame on Bay and the higher ups. I'm sure they're giving him the crappy direction.

I put up links to his site. I also put up links to Kelton. They're both responsible for the kind of design that fans hate. People look at their stuff, and guffaw over the wrong parts.

Cram was the one to put mikes shell on backwards. Jared always wanted to give Donnie that "cool" back pack, and referenced a squid when designing Leo.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 10:44 AM
"I don't see a problem with giving Superman a jet pack as part of his main look. It's been done before, after all, briefly, in cartoons and such, for silly, toy-based reasons that don't make much sense at all for the character. But why not?"

Because it's stupid is why not. Mutant turtles don't need pants, and contrary to what the idiots scripting these movies say as a way of justification, the Turtles have never expressed any desire to "be human" or "fit in". That's a nonsense excuse the movie people made up to justify their poor decisions.

With every step they take, they get farther from "Ninja Turtles" and closer to "Four Guys Painted Green". Which seems to be what they actually want. It's like the absolute last thing the movie people want to do, is make anything like "TMNT" in its proper form. They just want to do "their take" on it, despite their take being completely ass-backwards and wrong.

Ninja Turtles wearing pants and covered with needless junk = Superman With A Jet Pack. Sure, you can try and justify it. You're just wrong to even try, is all.

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 10:50 AM
what is this b*******... And why are we yet again getting our first look at the turtles in the form of toys in a sequel to what was considered a financially successful movie instead of actual pictures from the company itself... This is seriously getting ridiculous on platinum dunes and bay co.
This happened with the first movie, our first look was the maquettes, the toys, promo art, and even the toppers.

I think we will start seeing more stuff being leaked out, leading to the release of the first trailer.

Zak The Neutrino
11-30-2015, 10:51 AM
"More straps! More claws! More guns! GIVE HIM A JETPACK!" - The Rob Liefeld/Image Comics School of Art & Design.

Literally. That's the entire curriculum. :lol:

Since this is a Bay movie you know Shredder is going to have some type of rocket launcher in there too.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 10:56 AM
This happened with the first movie, our first look was the maquettes, the toys, promo art, and even the toppers.

I think we will start seeing more stuff being leaked out, leading to the release of the first trailer.

That's his point. He's saying we SHOULDN'T be seeing these low quality pictures of cheap, poorly detailed tiny plastic figures before we see anything else, like official stills from production or HD character renders of the Turtles themselves.

Sabacooza
11-30-2015, 11:25 AM
I put up links to his site. I also put up links to Kelton. They're both responsible for the kind of design that fans hate. People look at their stuff, and guffaw over the wrong parts.

Cram was the one to put mikes shell on backwards. Jared always wanted to give Donnie that "cool" back pack, and referenced a squid when designing Leo.If he was the one that was responsible for that, then yeah, those were not great...at all.

pdizzle
11-30-2015, 11:26 AM
That's his point. He's saying we SHOULDN'T be seeing these low quality pictures of cheap, poorly detailed tiny plastic figures before we see anything else, like official stills from production or HD character renders of the Turtles themselves.
exactly this ^^^^

Vicky82
11-30-2015, 11:30 AM
I remember the day when Mikey's kids halloween costume got leaked and everyone (including me) went ape s*** :lol:.

These cake toppers look unfinished to me, too much grey.

I had a feeling that there clothing designs will change. They seem to be wearing less stuff than the 1st movie but these are only toppers, so they could still change them a little bit.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 11:34 AM
Well, reading this thread has definitely not increased my faith in the movie. I think you guys said everything I could ever think of and then some.

But C42... THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH NUTELLA ON LOBSTER. Try it sometime. Make sure the lobster hasn't been refrigerated properly, and that the Nutella is expired.

Consume this delectable culinary delight right as TMNT2 starts. Your body will begin spewing vile fluids from both ends right about the time the Turtles actually show up in their own movie, and an ambulance (or a hearse) will remove you from the theater before you have to suffer the indignity of Michael Bay's Religious War on Comic Book Nerds.

LeotheLateBloomer
11-30-2015, 11:58 AM
I....I, I really don't know what to say. PANTS?! PANTS?! Especially Donatello's latex wearing suspender look. I'll be honest, I'm not TOO bothered with Mikey's look this time around but I'm just going to pretend that this isn't the final design because not even Bay would stoop this low to redesign the turtles. And please for the love of christ tell me that is not Shredder's final design. It's like they WANT to piss us off this much!

Just when you think they take one step forward, they take two steps back. I hope the casuals will find it in their hearts to not support this movie. Otherwise, I will lose faith in humanity. Hell, I pretty much already have.:cry:

newhire13
11-30-2015, 12:05 PM
To me their legs look just about the same as they did before, these toppers are just not completely painted.

bushido
11-30-2015, 12:12 PM
We have not yet seen the design of Bebop and Rocksteady. The only thing I have now is an unhealthy curiosity of how they will continue to destroy what we love.

Bry
11-30-2015, 12:21 PM
How did they manage to make them look even worse?

How?

HOW!?

It's like they're obsessed with making them not look like freakin' turtles. I just can't understand it. They're either stunningly incompetent or willfully spiteful at this point.

newhire13
11-30-2015, 12:24 PM
I think it's more or less the same design for their lower halves, it's just not painted. I mean even Raph's toes are black. I think that's a dead giveaway.

The Fifth Turtle
11-30-2015, 12:50 PM
I think it's more or less the same design for their lower halves, it's just not painted. I mean even Raph's toes are black. I think that's a dead giveaway.

Playmates will be doing back flips! All they have to do is reuse their ****** movie 1 figures molds and paint the legs a solid color and presto "movie 2 figures.":roll::

beeshaw
11-30-2015, 01:52 PM
Yeah...those look bad. REAL bad. And I didn't mind most of the design in first place.

When's that toy show (was it NY?) ? That's where we got our first 'real' look at the Turtles last time.

LMAO. Sad but true. They already repacked Movie Leo 3 times now.

Playmates will be doing back flips! All they have to do is reuse their ****** movie 1 figures and paint the legs a solid color and presto "movie 2 figures.":roll::

TurtleTitan97
11-30-2015, 02:16 PM
So the only thing majorly different this time around is them wearing pants? Seriously, did they even pay attention to the complaints regarding the designs in the first place?

METALHEAD
11-30-2015, 02:26 PM
hate if it you want, this is done for the fangirls who have crushes on these guys.

as one commented on tumblr ~theyre bringing sexy back~

yep. making turtles more into male strippers and eye candy for the teen fangirls who are whooing for beefy babe-turtles. :D
seriously..my girlfriend is loving these designs...i'm just like 'yeah, okay.'

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 02:29 PM
Magic Michelangelo

Strip-Tease Mutant Ninja Turtles

...

:teek: Deviant Art and Hentai have taken over the mainstream TMNT media. This is a frightening day.

METALHEAD
11-30-2015, 02:31 PM
oh. and i almost forgot...i actually love the new designs.
i dunno. i just do. they look pretty bad ass...even sexy? eh.

besides, why would one like to be nude in cold chilly nights? screw that mess. i'm wearing pants XD

METALHEAD
11-30-2015, 02:32 PM
Magic Michelangelo

Strip-Tease Mutant Ninja Turtles

...

:teek: Deviant Art and Hentai have taken over the mainstream TMNT media. This is a frightening day.

should see my 2014 don/mikey turtle cest art on da.

Autbot_Benz
11-30-2015, 02:35 PM
Just wait for the Trailer that comes with Star Wars. I wouldn't make my final Judgement on god damn poorly painted Cake toppers

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 02:37 PM
Just wait for the Trailer that comes with Star Wars. I wouldn't make my final Judgement on god damn Cake toppers

Reserving judgment until actual footage? You are Geeking incorrectly, sir.

Candy Kappa
11-30-2015, 02:46 PM
Just wait for the Trailer that comes with Star Wars. I wouldn't make my final Judgement on god damn poorly painted Cake toppers

There's still valid criticism about the clothing designs and what they will be wearing, which the toppers shows us just fine.

The trailer will give us a better look at the Turtles themselves, texture work, lighting, how well the new gear and accessories are modeled and how well the animation is. And overall how well the cgi melds into the live-action. That's an entirely different topic, but the clothing choice is clear as day.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 02:47 PM
at least Raph doesn't have those glasses on above his bandana, or the one hanging on Mikey's neck.

and Donnie doesn't have that battery pack on his back, so maybe he's using another source of power that is much smaller, though still having those glasses.

Mikey had the glasses and Donnie still has his pack. They're Unpainted.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 02:50 PM
they look pretty bad ass...even sexy...
Yes. Especially Donatello. I get that happy" when I see him.

Andrew NDB
11-30-2015, 02:55 PM
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg.html)
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg.html)

Those aren't the TMNT.

Vicky82
11-30-2015, 02:55 PM
Just wait for the Trailer that comes with Star Wars. I wouldn't make my final Judgement on god damn poorly painted Cake toppers

I'm hoping it will come out online before Star Wars, got less than 18 days to go :D

I expect will see the Turtles in the trailer for like 10 seconds as April will be in most of it being chased by the Foot ninja's and bumping into Casey :lol:

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 03:09 PM
Mikey had the glasses and Donnie still has his pack. They're Unpainted.
Well, at least it appears Raph doesn't have the glasses on top, I noticed the outline for Mikey's glasses.

d_osborn
11-30-2015, 03:16 PM
what is this b*******... And why are we yet again getting our first look at the turtles in the form of toys in a sequel to what was considered a financially successful movie instead of actual pictures from the company itself... This is seriously getting ridiculous on platinum dunes and bay co.

It's actually pretty common. The huge franchises seem to have gotten a bit better with it over the past few years, but seeing character designs from low-rent merch is nothing new. I agree, though... in the communication age, there's no reason for it. I wouldn't be shocked if the studios have penalties against licensees for putting out imagery too soon. They sign NDAs for a reason.

Just wait for the Trailer that comes with Star Wars. I wouldn't make my final Judgement on god damn poorly painted Cake toppers
It was almost the same thing on the last film. I think the only thing we saw beforehand was the cheap Halloween mask.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=46489
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UZO95tdE7V4/U74I_7PmnlI/AAAAAAAAuG4/uSdmO4Tj9jU/s1600/SnapCo+Teenage+Mutant+Ninja+Turtles+Cup+Toppers+3. jpg

Chopperface
11-30-2015, 03:18 PM
They look fine to me. *shrug*

Vicky82
11-30-2015, 03:21 PM
The 1st movie cake toppers are a lot better than the 2nd movie cake toppers, which makes me think that the new cake toppers are unfinished.

I wonder how long until Paramount takes down the pics. I probably get a message from them soon to delete my Tumblr post :lol:

Foombamaroom
11-30-2015, 03:37 PM
Magic Michelangelo

Strip-Tease Mutant Ninja Turtles

...

:teek: Deviant Art and Hentai have taken over the mainstream TMNT media. This is a frightening day.

NO, SIR.
NO, NINJA, NO, NINJA, NO.


But yeah, these things look awful, but hey, I expected them to. I'm only imagining what Shredder's gonna look like...

TigerClaw
11-30-2015, 03:38 PM
The 1st movie cake toppers are a lot better than the 2nd movie cake toppers, which makes me think that the new cake toppers are unfinished.

I wonder how long until Paramount takes down the pics. I probably get a message from them soon to delete my Tumblr post :lol:
I posted those two images onto my twitter account.
Retweet til your hearts contend.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/671310997974577152

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 04:07 PM
Make sure the lobster hasn't been refrigerated properly, and that the Nutella is expired.

Clearly I've been doing it wrong! Thanks for the tip :)

I....I, I really don't know what to say. PANTS?! PANTS?! ...
Just when you think they take one step forward, they take two steps back. I hope the casuals will find it in their hearts to not support this movie. Otherwise, I will lose faith in humanity. Hell, I pretty much already have.:cry:

All I want to say is they don't really care about us....

How did they manage to make them look even worse?
How?
HOW!? It's like they're obsessed with making them not look like freakin' turtles. I just can't understand it. They're either stunningly incompetent or willfully spiteful at this point.

All I want to say is that, they don't really care about us....

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22600000/They-Don-t-Care-About-Us-Prison-Version-michael-jackson-22664544-300-200.gif

Those aren't the TMNT.

All I want to say is that, they don't really care about us....

https://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3xopiR5Gq1qauweoo1_500.gif

NO, SIR.
NO, NINJA, NO, NINJA, NO.


All I want to say is that, they don't really care about us....

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22600000/They-Don-t-Care-About-Us-Prison-Version-michael-jackson-22664576-300-200.gif

Powder
11-30-2015, 04:13 PM
hate if it you want, this is done for the fangirls who have crushes on these guys.

as one commented on tumblr ~theyre bringing sexy back~

yep. making turtles more into male strippers and eye candy for the teen fangirls who are whooing for beefy babe-turtles. :D
seriously..my girlfriend is loving these designs...i'm just like 'yeah, okay.'

I challenge you to make it through 2-3 posts without reminding everyone you have a girlfriend. Yes, it's shocking, but it's old news.

& nof*ckingbody wants to hear about y'alls lust for turtle flesh.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 04:16 PM
I challenge you to make it through 2-3 posts without reminding everyone you have a girlfriend. Yes, it's shocking, but it's old news.

& nof*ckingbody wants to hear about y'alls lust for turtle flesh.

Tonight he dines on Turtle soup.

...

Wow, I didn't realize how chock full of innuendo that would be until I actually typed it. :teek:

Powder
11-30-2015, 04:17 PM
Alright, who's got the Kool-aid? Today's the day.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 04:26 PM
I will admit, replacing Raph's loincloth with pants is a (slight) improvement.

But Donnie in Urkel suspenders? <sigh> I'm really not surprised. F'ing idiots.

TURTLES DON'T WEAR CLOTHES.

massakre
11-30-2015, 04:30 PM
reserving judgement until trailer of course... but not feeling the outfits based off of the toppers alone.

Vicky82
11-30-2015, 04:31 PM
I will admit, replacing Raph's loincloth with pants is a (slight) improvement.

But Donnie in Urkel suspenders? <sigh> I'm really not surprised. F'ing idiots.

TURTLES DON'T WEAR CLOTHES.

The only Turtles that haven't worn clothes are the Nick turtles (unless you count the animated adventures comic when Raph and Mikey dressed in girls clothes to see a movie) :lol:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 04:34 PM
The only Turtles that haven't worn clothes are the Nick turtles (unless you count the animated adventures comic when Raph and Mikey dressed in girls clothes to see a movie) :lol:

Turtles don't wear clothes regularly. Playmates toys don't count. :tlol:

Mew
11-30-2015, 04:49 PM
The only Turtles that haven't worn clothes are the Nick turtles (unless you count the animated adventures comic when Raph and Mikey dressed in girls clothes to see a movie) :lol:
Mikey has worn underwear in the show.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt2012series/images/2/2a/Mikey_on_his_bed.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131228082754

CyberCubed
11-30-2015, 04:51 PM
They are DESTROYING my childhood!

Bry
11-30-2015, 04:51 PM
But Donnie in Urkel suspenders? <sigh> I'm really not surprised. F'ing idiots.

I'm surprised they didn't stick a pocket protector on his plastron while they were at it. The ****ing hacks.

Autbot_Benz
11-30-2015, 04:55 PM
They are DESTROYING my childhood!

no they are not destroying your childhood . They didn't time travel back to your childhood and killed your parents and destroyed everything you had. You still have all the other Turtle Cartoons movies comics etc to enjoy.
:roll:

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 04:55 PM
They are DESTROYING my childhood!

Hey, don't be so happy.

CyberCubed
11-30-2015, 05:04 PM
By seeing these designs I feel like they are traveling back in time and tearing apart my memories of TMNT and replacing them with these hulking monsters with pants and nostrils.

Even modern stuff like the Nick cartoon and IDW TMNT are being destroyed by this movie. It is a blemish upon the franchise, a blemish!

miru
11-30-2015, 05:08 PM
Mr. Bay, the TMNT are not your Barbies.

Autbot_Benz
11-30-2015, 05:10 PM
By seeing these designs I feel like they are traveling back in time and tearing apart my memories of TMNT and replacing them with these hulking monsters with pants and nostrils.

Even modern stuff like the Nick cartoon and IDW TMNT are being destroyed by this movie. It is a blemish upon the franchise, a blemish!

http://i68.tinypic.com/20zoisg.jpg

CyberCubed
11-30-2015, 05:18 PM
Everytime I see those nostrils I just want to chop them off. Just SLICE 'em off!

Galactus
11-30-2015, 05:22 PM
Y'know I'll begin with something (kinda) positive. I've often said that I didn't care for the loin cloth look on the 2014 turtles as it looked too silly on Raphael with a barbarian look with the tassels and Donatello's circuit boards sandwiching his bottom half and they looked especially silly in motion.

If they are intent on covering their lower halfs I'd say pants are the way to go but...I don't know I was kinda hoping they'd be better integrated than this. All these things really do is call attention that it really shouldn't be that way. Maybe it will be better in the actual movie (not likely) but seeing it this way makes me think why they can't just have their belts and pads?

I've long accepted that their builds and proportions would stay more or less the same but given how people felt about those accessories they had an easy job here. Is there really any justification for not doing away with most of it? It's not realistic to have one arm covered in wrappings and the other bare with a glove on the alternate hand nor is it edgy to have one metal shoulder pad. It's the kind of 90s X-treme comic aesthetic that most people hated even then.

Overall though it's hard to get too annoyed about these as like I said I pretty much knew were not going to make any significant changes after all despite all the hope this is some "soft reboot" this is still supposed to be a sequel to the last movie and even if they were inclined to to change it would too expensive to alter their models that much. That being said I've long had a sneaking suspicion that in response to the backlash against the designs of the turtles and Splinter that we'll get a case of oversteer Bebop and Rocksteady will look exactly like they've been yanked out of the 80s animated series. Can you imagine a faithful Bebop and Rocksteady facing off against these monstrosities?

guppy8466
11-30-2015, 05:23 PM
Looks fake as hell

ToTheNines
11-30-2015, 05:33 PM
I challenge you to make it through 2-3 posts without reminding everyone you have a girlfriend. Yes, it's shocking, but it's old news.

& nof*ckingbody wants to hear about y'alls lust for turtle flesh.

Lolllll, funniest 'drome post in a while.

IndigoErth
11-30-2015, 05:50 PM
Work all day and look what I miss.

Hm. Well, I'll believe it's actually something legit - and current - when we finally see anything from the film itself. I swear some elements look like unused concept art we'd seen for the first.

I know, it's terrible, but I never minded the Turtles wearing stuff sometimes over the years, it's kind of adorable. :trazz: And little afraid that if this version loses it now they're going to look awkwardly naked. :tlol: Parental outrage will abound after children's repeated questioning about why they are suddenly naked now. :trazz: (I dunno, Jr., maybe they hit the 'roids more and their stuff no longer fits.)

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 05:50 PM
That being said I've long had a sneaking suspicion that in response to the backlash against the designs of the turtles and Splinter that we'll get a case of oversteer Bebop and Rocksteady will look exactly like they've been yanked out of the 80s animated series. Can you imagine a faithful Bebop and Rocksteady facing off against these monstrosities?

You might be right - on the otherhand, they never really manage to faithfully recreate anything even when that is EXACTLY the intent.

They always want to "filter" it through their personal artistic interpretation.

Like these shots don't exactly fill me with hope.


http://41.media.tumblr.com/8b363f4541bec2f599dd2e6ba175bf4e/tumblr_np7fu08Vnp1tsc2beo1_500.jpg

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/527eb8c7e4b0213a91536a2d/5568d5b3e4b0d103d55e2782/5568d5bbe4b00dd8212bf55e/1432933820878/tmnt208.jpg
why would a ninja wear oversized fake muscles? that footsoldier, seriously :lol:

Gunstar_Red
11-30-2015, 06:10 PM
"Kids couldn't relate to our 2014 Turtles. What can we do to change that?"

"How about putting pants on them?"

"Brilliant! Pants are really popular with the kids, right?"

Bry
11-30-2015, 06:23 PM
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/527eb8c7e4b0213a91536a2d/5568d5b3e4b0d103d55e2782/5568d5bbe4b00dd8212bf55e/1432933820878/tmnt208.jpg
why would a ninja wear oversized fake muscles? that footsoldier, seriously :lol:

...is that ninja wearing leather jeans?

Candy Kappa
11-30-2015, 06:54 PM
Leather is the stealthiest fabric.

Powder
11-30-2015, 07:00 PM
That ninja looks like an extra from a nu-metal music video.

Jester
11-30-2015, 07:18 PM
Leather is the stealthiest fabric.
Made me think of:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-leather-man/n11557

Technogeek29
11-30-2015, 07:55 PM
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/01_zpsebodyda4.jpg.html)
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/alzarkovski/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/alzarkovski/media/02_zpscwspb8lb.jpg.html)

http://38.media.tumblr.com/b9f960e468c6acb9a5a5e4d5227bf607/tumblr_ng7e68yRIt1suf5t1o1_500.gif

IndigoErth
11-30-2015, 08:12 PM
:teek:

Music video... That's what it's turning into, this leads up to the next music tour. Where the Turtles will be leather-pant-wearing backup dancers behind the female singer trying to be April and whom the tour focuses on.

But, I guess being who they are they at least don't have to worry about it being pinchy in places. lol However, if they're gonna be ninjaing in leather... I suggest sticking to suede. Or, you know, some of the stuff they were wearing originally.

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:07 PM
Those aren't the TMNT.

Nailed it in f*cking ONE.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 09:08 PM
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/527eb8c7e4b0213a91536a2d/5568d5b3e4b0d103d55e2782/5568d5bbe4b00dd8212bf55e/1432933820878/tmnt208.jpg
why would a ninja wear oversized fake muscles? that footsoldier, seriously :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/nIEMdX6.gif

What. The. F*ck.

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:09 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oZsXCsD.png
http://www.moustachemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Moustache-3.png

hunh.

I think Bay is trying to give us more than the finger. a lot more.

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 09:19 PM
He's already porked my childhood, he will not pork me.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 09:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oZsXCsD.png
http://www.moustachemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Moustache-3.png

hunh.

I think Bay is trying to give us more than the finger. a lot more.

:oops: "that is a coincidence" I keep telling myself.

Autbot_Benz
11-30-2015, 09:25 PM
V7eO-HO7GLI

:roll:

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 09:26 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Hrkdu-ZxIUo/T0B5d2TVTaI/AAAAAAAAAPY/DPnwgyjm-Kg/s1600/DSC_2438+(3).JPG

Leo656
11-30-2015, 09:30 PM
Technically, "They're disrespecting my childhood" would be a lot more accurate.

The hyperbole, however grammatically-incorrect, is still well warranted. :lol:

TrickOrTreater
11-30-2015, 09:31 PM
V7eO-HO7GLI

:roll:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Hrkdu-ZxIUo/T0B5d2TVTaI/AAAAAAAAAPY/DPnwgyjm-Kg/s1600/DSC_2438+(3).JPG

Look who is first in line!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-30-2015, 09:35 PM
All four Turtles, wearing pants, like fvcking Magic Mike wannabe's.

It honestly didn't hit me until ALL FOUR of them were wearing pants how ridiculous it all is.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 09:43 PM
All four Turtles, wearing pants, like fvcking Magic Mike wannabe's.

It honestly didn't hit me until ALL FOUR of them were wearing pants how ridiculous it all is.

I wonder if the "pants" are just badly painted legs with the same amount of crap on them. But raph is definitely wearing shorts and Donnie's suspenders are ugly as sin. Ugh. I'm starting to not like PDNT anymore. This transition is uncomfortable, and I'm scared.

Powder
11-30-2015, 09:47 PM
Raph's got shorts, yeah, but the rest are no doubt full pants (albeit tucked into boots and/or wraps, giving the illusion of something less, at first glance).

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 09:52 PM
Raph's got shorts, yeah, but the rest are no doubt full pants (albeit tucked into boots and/or wraps, giving the illusion of something less, at first glance).

I really can't argue how terrible this is then.:tsad:

Commenter 42
11-30-2015, 10:03 PM
Can't wait to see how much more human they look. Maybe they'll finally have the full human nose and...ears? C'mon, they need ears, right?
I'll pay full price at the theater if they add ears to 3 of the 4. 4 out of 4 is a deal breaker though.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 10:12 PM
Can't wait to see how much more human they look. Maybe they'll finally have the full human nose and...ears? C'mon, they need ears, right?
I'll pay full price at the theater if they add ears to 3 of the 4. 4 out of 4 is a deal breaker though.

I think you forgot the overly detailed green human dicks and an extra two fingers in the hand, I'm mean, who needs tail penises right? Have em fly right out for the kids to see. And while you're at it, add a cap, shirt, and ripped up trenchcoat with a stupid pun on it, cause that's cool right?dont forget, extra expensive belt buckles that just happened to fall in the sewer and pilgrim shoes for Donnie, cause he's a nerd! Get it? That's funny! HAHAHAHA FVCK YOU ALL ENJOY THE MOVIE BIT@hes!!!!!! -Michael bay and co.

Technogeek29
11-30-2015, 10:19 PM
When I'm starting to see the fans of these movies get worried. You better believe I'm beyond worried here.

Etsyturtle2
11-30-2015, 10:21 PM
When I'm starting to see the fans of these movies get worried. You better believe I'm beyond worried here.
You better be worried.

Shred Head
11-30-2015, 11:32 PM
The **** are they thinking I mean **** they look like ****ing strippers they dont belong on top of cakes they look like be popping out of them. What are Bebop and Rocksteady going to look like there going to be giants. Hell there whole shtick is there bigger meaner and more powerful then the turtles there enemies that need to be taken out using there Ninja skills, brains, and team work. With out that there whole purpose is completely useless. These guys look like they could take on the whole Triceraton forces and make them there bitches. They learned nothing from the last film they know kids are dumb and they will go see anything and the fanbase will just go well theirs the third movie and the Music tour is **** so who cares if this is too but will go see it anyway. So of course why bother trying.

letscook89
12-01-2015, 12:33 AM
What the hell with these designs ?? I mean I really like the 2K14 turtles but come one does Donnie realy have latex trousers ?? And what above Raph gloves ? Damn I hope they made a mistake on colours, because it looks very bad. However guys, we now have the proof that the asia fahion life size turtles are not from the second film.

CyberCubed
12-01-2015, 02:10 AM
Do you think the reason these movie Turtles wear pants and loin clothes is because they have humanoid penises? I mean that's probably the only explanation. They have humanoid faces, nostrils and bodies so maybe their reproductive organs are humanoid too for that matter.

No wonder they keep them covered.

Powder
12-01-2015, 02:27 AM
I was thinking about it earlier, & I think I actually figured out what it is (assuming it's not for toy sales or just the sake of flair/being different).

Flexibility. The animators have no idea how to make the TMNT have fluid motion in combat because of the the plastron. It would hinder movement in real life. IDW & Nick make it bend, but that'd look weird as hell in a live action movie (it was foam in the old joints & quite noticeably so). I'm thinking they were like "Man, f*ck this noise, just cover their bottom halves entirely, it'll work out.".

Leo656
12-01-2015, 02:32 AM
Do you think the reason these movie Turtles wear pants and loin clothes is because they have humanoid penises? I mean that's probably the only explanation. They have humanoid faces, nostrils and bodies so maybe their reproductive organs are humanoid too for that matter.

No wonder they keep them covered.

I don't think they do... I think that some suit at Platinum Dunes THINKS that we think they do.

I promise you, this all started when the PD people were flipping through stacks of Mirage comics, looking for "iconic images" to mine for storyboard imagery, and some ignorant fool saw their tails exposed and said, "Wait... WHY are their DICKS out?! Oh, god, is THIS what our kids have been looking at?!" And it all snowballed from there until they were wearing pants.

There's zero chance it went down any other way. Because people really are that dumb. Want proof? Find any article online about TMNT that uses any piece of Mirage artwork, the Comments section will be full of people asking why the Turtles' dicks are out. Every time. If most of the "fans" can't tell it's a tail, then I promise you the PD executives don't, either, and they just don't want to get any phone calls from Midwestern soccer mommies, asking why the Turtles are "naked".

It's all just one big ball of stupid.

Commenter 42
12-01-2015, 02:37 AM
I was thinking about it earlier, & I think I actually figured out what it is (assuming it's not for toy sales or just the sake of flair/being different).

Flexibility. The animators have no idea how to make the TMNT have fluid motion in combat because of the the plastron. It would hinder movement in real life. IDW & Nick make it bend, but that'd look weird as hell in a live action movie (it was foam in the old joints & quite noticeably so). I'm thinking they were like "Man, f*ck this noise, just cover their bottom halves entirely, it'll work out.".

Yes, I'm positive this is the reason too, But, they could have solved it in a different way.
For example, change their gait, and reduce the angle of the plastron/carapace to avoid skin - Shell friction.

Pants are the easy way out.

Leather pants on the other hand....well now... Hey-yo!

Powder
12-01-2015, 02:56 AM
Not justifying it by any means, I agree with you. Just sayin'. :trazz:

Commenter 42
12-01-2015, 03:01 AM
Not justifying it by any means, I agree with you. Just sayin'. :trazz:

Yeah - It's clear that's part of the reason, with the other part being turtle junk.
Which, is stupid as hell, but given everything else...

B&R are going to make my year... I can feel it already.

Technogeek29
12-01-2015, 03:11 AM
The pants are blue Blue Popo.

pennydreadful
12-01-2015, 03:36 AM
I mean, who the f*** is Raphael fisting, with his elbow-length fetish-glove?!

Fanfic will provide the answer.

Or maybe Splinter just needs to take his Blink 182 albums away?

http://www.billboard.com/files/blink-182-enema-of-the-state.jpg

Raphael will carry two large guns with his sais strapped to the bottom of them like bayonets.

At the end of the movie he'll blow Krang away and say "Cowa-mother f*cking-bunga, bitch."

For the love of god, don't give them any more ideas! :tlol:

I....I, I really don't know what to say. PANTS?! PANTS?!

I think we should refer to this latest horrifying chapter in The Great Movie Wars as Pantsgate.

They're either stunningly incompetent or willfully spiteful at this point.

Survey says "both".

Tonight he dines on Turtle soup.
NO, NINJA, NO, NINJA, NO.
Leather is the stealthiest fabric.

Damnit, the three of you nearly made me spew diet ginger ale out my nose! :tlol:


Seriously though - why did they name this "Half Shell" when they could've called it something more appropriate, like... "Bayturtles 2: Hellbent For Leather"?

The tagline could've been: "If you thought this movie was going to be an improvement on the last... You've Got Another Thing Coming!"

"The NYPD are after them because they're..."

https://33.media.tumblr.com/9f93168315ba7a60a53d7e5211ca8334/tumblr_nv934k3gDF1te7kkmo1_400.gif

Candy Kappa
12-01-2015, 03:36 AM
Leonardo seems to be wearing a tied up hakama with tabi, so. 1 of the Turtles lower half is more "ninja" then the entirety of the first movie. :lol:

letscook89
12-01-2015, 04:05 AM
Hmm I will wait until we get true pics of the turtles, because these figures are godamn awful. the paint application is really bad and I do hope that the black and grey parts are unpainted parts, because I can't imagine a second how on earth raph and donnie would have latex parts...

Powder
12-01-2015, 04:26 AM
I made a crappy mock-up for those of y'all who can't make out the sculps. You can clearly see what parts are flesh/wraps/pants/etc.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2dc8qbk.png

& I sh*t you not, the captcha I filled out in order to upload this was "Fancy pants". :tlol:

Etsyturtle2
12-01-2015, 05:42 AM
I made a crappy mock-up for those of y'all who can't make out the sculps. You can clearly see what parts are flesh/wraps/pants/etc.

http://i66.tinypic.com/izm61k.png

That is very helpful, thanks.

bushido
12-01-2015, 07:50 AM
I made a crappy mock-up for those of y'all who can't make out the sculps. You can clearly see what parts are flesh/wraps/pants/etc.

http://i66.tinypic.com/izm61k.png

Nice work. Now I need to wash my eyes.

letscook89
12-01-2015, 09:18 AM
Great work man, they look way better like that. However, i'm still worried by the black parts. I really hope it's not latex...

Bry
12-01-2015, 09:43 AM
Definitely a lot clearer - nice work, Powder.

And man, they're really doubling down on the "designs that are going to age super terribly" aesthetic, aren't they? :tlol:

graphic_content
12-01-2015, 10:05 AM
They look better than the first round of toppers that came out with the first film...which I realize isn't saying much, the first round looked liked dilapidated blobs of green plastic; at the very least, these hold some measure, be it small, of resemblance to the characters they are supposed to be.

I wonder if the pants, were just laziness on the part of the figure makers, not wanting to detail the bottom halves, or an indication that maybe they are suiting up in full black, more along the lines of traditional ninja-esque garb.

IndigoErth
12-01-2015, 12:00 PM
& I sh*t you not, the captcha I filled out in order to upload this was "Fancy pants". :tlol:
Ohh that's rather ominous, isn't it. :tlol:

Thanks for the better paint job. :tthumbsu:



*waits patiently until we find out if these are really all that legit*

sethmartin
12-01-2015, 12:24 PM
Well, I was expecting them to look exactly the same as they did in the last film. I don't mind the pants so much. I am happy that they toned down the accessories.

bushido
12-01-2015, 01:14 PM
The new look is due to the fact that Playmates must produce toys for the film and they can't sell the same models as for the first film. They changed the look to justify the production of new toys.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 02:20 PM
The new look is due to the fact that Playmates must produce toys for the film and they can't sell the same models as for the first film. They changed the look to justify the production of new toys.

Exactly. This man speaks the truth!

TrickOrTreater
12-01-2015, 02:35 PM
I made a crappy mock-up for those of y'all who can't make out the sculps. You can clearly see what parts are flesh/wraps/pants/etc.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2dc8qbk.png

& I sh*t you not, the captcha I filled out in order to upload this was "Fancy pants". :tlol:

So three of the four of them are wearing pants.

Raph is wearing shorts.

Why.

Because...because he's the rebel of the group?

️Sigh. Sigh.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 02:45 PM
So three of the four of them are wearing pants.

Raph is wearing shorts.

Why.

Because...because he's the rebel of the group?

️Sigh. Sigh.

If Raphael was a REAL rebel, he'd be wearing yoga pants.

To show off every curve and bulge.

Papenbrook
12-01-2015, 02:52 PM
...And the cycle continues. :roll:

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It is not that serious. Bay didn't commit a crime against you. They're just designs.

I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

TrickOrTreater
12-01-2015, 02:52 PM
If Raphael was a REAL rebel, he'd be wearing yoga pants.

To show off every curve and bulge.

Must you upset the children so?!

...And the cycle continues. :roll:

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It is not that serious. Bay didn't commit a crime against you. They're just designs.

I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

Short of humorous hyperbole, no one is saying he did.

And they are just designs. Bad designs. And people are expressing their dislike of them on a forum where it is free to do so.

Etsyturtle2
12-01-2015, 02:58 PM
If Raphael was a REAL rebel, he'd be wearing yoga pants.

To show off every curve and bulge.
Ooooooh.:tgrin:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 03:01 PM
...And the cycle continues. :roll:

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It is not that serious. Bay didn't commit a crime against you. They're just designs.

I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

A sense of humor will take you much further in life than a stick up the rectum. Yes, we're all complaining. And yes, we are all enjoying each other's wit.

Join us... we don't bite. We love each other; we are united by hatred and thusly united in love.

Must you upset the children so?!

Short of humorous hyperbole, no one is saying he did.

And they are just designs. Bad designs. And people are expressing their dislike of them on a forum where it is free to do so.

I'm just saying, if Bay REALLY wanted to push the envelope, one of the Turtles would be wearing Yoga Pants with "Juicy" or "Hottie" stamped across the ass. :twink:

Commenter 42
12-01-2015, 03:03 PM
Nice work Powder. So from now on I'm calling all PD turtles, the Fancypants.

TrickOrTreater
12-01-2015, 03:03 PM
I'm just saying, if Bay REALLY wanted to push the envelope, one of the Turtles would be wearing Yoga Pants with "Juicy" or "Hottie" stamped across the ass. :twink:

Stop upsetting the children!

TurtleTitan97
12-01-2015, 03:05 PM
...And the cycle continues. :roll:

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It is not that serious. Bay didn't commit a crime against you. They're just designs.

I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

So people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions over these designs?:roll:

If you don't like what's being said, ignore it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 03:10 PM
Stop upsetting the children!

Someone's gotta teach the little brats that not all of life is cupcakes and sprinkles. For their information, Santa Claus isn't real either. (But the Krampus is.)

Commenter 42
12-01-2015, 03:11 PM
So people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions over these designs?:roll:

If you don't like what's being said, ignore it.

easy there - Kraken is just trying to stir the drama...

TurtleTitan97
12-01-2015, 03:12 PM
Someone's gotta teach the little brats that not all of life is cupcakes and sprinkles. For their information, Santa Claus isn't real either. (But the Krampus is.)

AH MAN, HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT?!?! YOU RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!!! RUINED IT!!! :x

How was that? :P

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 03:13 PM
AH MAN, HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT?!?! YOU RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!!! RUINED IT!!! :x

How was that? :P

I'm glad I could be the one to hold your hand as you took that first big step out of fantasy and into stark brutal reality.

It's cold in here, but nobody's gonna give you a jacket, so suck it up with a straw and get over it. :twink:

Bry
12-01-2015, 03:19 PM
...And the cycle continues. :roll:

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It is not that serious. Bay didn't commit a crime against you. They're just designs.

I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

Oh cool, we're at the point where some wannabe-moderator tells everyone what to think and say again? Love that cycle!

I'm just saying, if Bay REALLY wanted to push the envelope, one of the Turtles would be wearing Yoga Pants with "Juicy" or "Hottie" stamped across the ass. :twink:

Hey, gotta save something for movie 3!

:tcry:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-01-2015, 03:22 PM
Oh cool, we're at the point where some wannabe-moderator tells everyone what to think and say again? Love that cycle!



Hey, gotta save something for movie 3!

:tcry:

Good point, Bry.

Movie 3:

Yoga pants for Raph
Leather chaps for Mikey
Balloon pants for Leo
Overalls for Donnie

Because f*ck you, that's why. :tlol:

Etsyturtle2
12-01-2015, 03:33 PM
Someone's gotta teach the little brats that not all of life is cupcakes and sprinkles. For their information, Santa Claus isn't real either. (But the Krampus is.)

Santa isn't real? Huh!!!!!!??????NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

IndigoErth
12-01-2015, 04:33 PM
So three of the four of them are wearing pants.

Raph is wearing shorts.

Why.

Because...because he's the rebel of the group?

️Sigh. Sigh.
If they are cut offs do they still count as pants sorta? Pants he cut into shorts, because otherwise... yeah, I can't really see Raph being able to fit himself into pants. :trazz: Although it would be fun to see him try. Challenge him to skinny jeans; Shredder is prob an easier opponent.

That they can find clothing anyhow is a wonder, not like they can just visit the men's Big and Tall department/store.

(If April never hooks them up with up with anything they can't get on their own though she's a terrible "friend.")

Vicky82
12-01-2015, 04:33 PM
I wonder if Rocksteady and Bebop wont be wearing any clothes in the movie, that would probably piss people off. :lol:

IndigoErth
12-01-2015, 04:37 PM
I wonder if Rocksteady and Bebop wont be wearing any clothes in the movie, that would probably piss people off. :lol:
*cough* If the reptiles are - for various reasons people might try to imagine - dear god I hope the mammals do. :tlol:

Powder
12-01-2015, 04:51 PM
I wonder if Rocksteady and Bebop wont be wearing any clothes in the movie, that would probably piss people off. :lol:

You've figured it out! The TMNT beat up B&R then steal their pants. :tlol:

Bry
12-01-2015, 05:02 PM
If they are cut offs do they still count as pants sorta? Pants he cut into shorts...

BayRaph is wearing cutoffs?

Wait... is he a never-nude!? Finally, it all makes sense!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/de/18/2c/de182c3a86d780d55eae6905cc1cc996.jpg

TigerClaw
12-01-2015, 05:20 PM
I wonder if Rocksteady and Bebop wont be wearing any clothes in the movie, that would probably piss people off. :lol:
Hopefully there clothing would be similar to what they where in the Fred Wolf series or IDW.

freakdylan
12-01-2015, 07:36 PM
Bay ruined the Transformers movies why wouldnt he ruin the Turtles as well.

Leo656
12-01-2015, 10:35 PM
I hope this forum doesn't get shut down(...again).

Not me! Lock it down and burn it to the ground! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

So that I don't have to listen to people with awful taste repeatedly try to justify why the awful things they like have value! :trazz::trazz::trazz:

In all seriousness, though, the majority of people on the Technodrome do not like anything at all about the new movies. That means that the minority of people who DO like it, need to either get better coping skills or take it to the Official Movie Facebook Page. It's been said.

But yeah, like CKD said, people are having fun and blowing off steam. Relax.

Technogeek29
12-01-2015, 11:27 PM
Shutting down? honestly despite the harshness of our collective words this is the most civil we've ever been here.

Metalwolf
12-02-2015, 12:22 AM
I wonder if Rocksteady and Bebop wont be wearing any clothes in the movie, that would probably piss people off. :lol:Or they wear tight leather straps like the Turtles do, only Bebop wears thin leather straps go over the nipples and ends in a tiny black leather speedo thong (to make it shocking and 'controversial') and Rocksteady wears light black leather shorts that lovingly shows every sweaty bulge and ripple, to all the Japanese baras' delight. They love pigmen, and I think they're they're gonna get a hankering for some mutant rhino tush after this.

I'm gonna have so much fun tearing this movie apart. :lol:

srmff
12-02-2015, 02:42 AM
Do you think the reason these movie Turtles wear pants and loin clothes is because they have humanoid penises? I mean that's probably the only explanation. They have humanoid faces, nostrils and bodies so maybe their reproductive organs are humanoid too for that matter.

No wonder they keep them covered.

Well that is the reason isn't it? I'm afraid to even say this. It's too weird. They even revealed their genitalia unless it's a joke. I have the link to the video:

http://filmmakeriq.com/2014/07/michael-bay-gives-fans-sneak-peek-at-ninja-turtles-hyper-realistic-cgi-genitals/

Just a warning, you probably do not want to see this video. Why did they even go to the effort of doing that?

Powder
12-02-2015, 02:51 AM
...

It's Satire. Jesus Christ.

pennydreadful
12-02-2015, 02:53 AM
So from now on I'm calling all PD turtles, the Fancypants.

Which gives me the perfect opportunity to use this gif:

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/plcCOSRK5_Px.gif

srmff
12-02-2015, 03:10 AM
...

It's Satire. Jesus Christ.

That's a relief. I was thinking that it must be a joke.

TurtleMikey
12-02-2015, 07:51 AM
So I was just made aware of these cake toppers. And as expected, you bunch of babies immediately hated it. Though, that's fine. You're all entitled to your opinion. But you are refusing to see the upside here, and are rushing to **** on these.

Personally, I don't mind these designs. In fact, I really like them. I think its a significant improvement over the designs over the first film. Despite the fact they are STILL wearing clothes (something I'll never be totally okay with in any incarnation).

In the 2014 film, their clothing and accessories didn't make any logical sense for battle. You had Donny with a big mechanical pack which would easily be destroyed, Mikey with his stupid beads, and Raph with his sunglasses, and Leo with huge bulky samurai garb that looked in no way uniform with his brothers far more casual (or in Don's case, far too techy) looking garb.

Those designs were all over the place, and just reeked of trying making the turtles look hip (and highlight their personalities) than attempting to make any logical decisions for a tactical ninja turtle design w/ clothing/battle wear inspired of humans today.

Now while pants on a ninja turtle is weird, I think the cargo pants (torn pants and what look like Gi bottoms for Raph and Mikey)work in this case. It gets rid of those horrible loin cloths, and remedies with problem caused by the plastrons not being designed to cover where their junk would be.

It's a fair trade off, and keeps from having to do a radical redesign.

Overall, they moved from a try-hard trendy look to a tactical, combat ready look. One that seems almost inspired by the Foot from the first film. Some will most certainly see that as a negative, but I think this looks fine.

The only real nitpicks I have his Raph's shoulder pad (never in the history of anything nerdy, has one should pad looked good), and the fact that Donnie has (from the look of these toppers) full on boots. Also, thay Donnie looks to be wearing black as opposed to the neutral gray everyone else has.


I give these designs a 7.5 out of 10, compared to the 2014 designs' low, low 3 out 10. They gave the turtles a more uniform design, which is something that was sorely missing in the first film and is an element we all expect out of a TMNT design.

Oh, everyone who's complaining about Donnie's straps must be going blind. He clearly has those "suspenders" connected by a strap across his chest, just like the last film. And they didn't at all look bad there.

And like in that film, hey serve the purpose of keeping his more pack (which they actually made look more militaristic, and like something that would survive some bumps in battle) up on his back.

It has nothing to do with his pants.

TurtleMikey
12-02-2015, 08:23 AM
And btw..... if the only insult you guys can think of to **** on the inclusion of cargo pants is to compare it to magic Magic Mike (serious, that's the first thing you thought of? That's weird....), then it goes to show these aren't that bad.

And they aren't even all wearing cargo pants. But ffs, if the Turtles are gonna dress like humans, then it should make sense within the context of a warrior/ninja, like the TMNT. And soldiers wear cargo pants.

And like the Foot in TMNT 2014, its meant to invoke the look and silhouette of a traditional ninja, while being more modernized and tactical.

And god damn it, they are not leather. Please get professional help if think they are gonna be wearing leather pants.

Commenter 42
12-02-2015, 08:58 AM
The Fancypants prance and do the fancy-pants dance, if given half a chance, the Fancypants plants will go on Fancypants rants, and put us in a trance.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 09:00 AM
I'm almost positive that you lost the audience entirely once you called everyone who didn't like the designs "babies". If anyone but me read even one word beyond that, I'd be shocked.

Just a little tip on self-awareness. If you want people to consider your opinion, try not to insult "the room" when you clearly hold the minority opinion. Just sayin'.

TurtleMikey
12-02-2015, 09:19 AM
I'm almost positive that you lost the audience entirely once you called everyone who didn't like the designs "babies". If anyone but me read even one word beyond that, I'd be shocked.

Just a little tip on self-awareness. If you want people to consider your opinion, try not to insult "the room" when you clearly hold the minority opinion. Just sayin'.

Let's be honest.... insult or not, you guys probably wouldn't have read it or read it, and just as easily and willingly forget it since its, as you said, the minority opinion. The room was lost by the simple virtue that I do not agree with the majority here.

Everyone on this board, except me and a select few others, were going to hate these designs no matter what.

Even if they went with traditional designs, and scrapped everything we knew of their design from the first film, the people here STILL would've found a way to bitch about it and/or this film.

98% of this board already had their minds made up about this film (and this incarnation of TMNT period) before the first movie even released.

And as far as my insult goes, that's exactly the people here were acting. Like babies. Like little children who didn't get their way. Which is funny, given that we've probably all have been TMNT fans since we were children.. And thus, know that pretty much every incarnation (in one or multiple ways; usually multiple) has been radically different from the others.

Hell, the 2003 series alone went to 3 or so radical changes over the course of its run, with weird and wacky Turtle designs of its own.

So for this, the newest incarnation w/ changes of its own, to illicit such a childish reaction is just stupid, and deserves to be called what it is.

The TMNT fandom has no ground to stand on with complaints of unnecessary and/or weird changes. And we just look stupid when we make them. We're just as bad as the babies in the Transformers fandom; Transformers being a fanchise has had as many incarnations as this franchise has, with each incarnation being just as different.

I swear, its the most idiotic thing to complain about changes to characters in a franchise that was pretty much built on radical reinvention.

FFS, the original animated series is nothing like the original comic. That series was as different from the comic as the current movie version is from the other versions that fans so desperately wish this was like. Those two included.

That right there proves how dumb it is to complain about changes in TMNT. TMNT is change. Without radical reinvention, it wouldn't be TMNT. And we should be glad that, for one of the rare times in the history of the franchise, we have two versions to enjoy; the current fikk version, and the great Nickelodeon series.

It just makes no sense to complain when they make changes.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 09:21 AM
Not "no matter what". Not if they actually weren't abysmal. People only hate them because they suck so painfully hard. If that weren't the case, well... whole different ballgame.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 09:51 AM
Overall, they moved from a try-hard trendy look to a tactical, combat ready look. One that seems almost inspired by the Foot from the first film. Some will most certainly see that as a negative, but I think this looks fine.

Y'know what's tactical combat-ready? Elbow pads, knee pads, belt, pouches for throwing stars and smoke bombs, bandanna, and some bandages or tape.

That's all she wrote, Chuck.

Let's be honest.... insult or not, you guys probably wouldn't have read it or read it, and just as easily and willingly forget it since its, as you said, the minority opinion. The rook was lost by the simple virtue that I do not agree with you.

Everyone on this board, except me and a select few others, were going to hate these designs no matter what.

Even if they went with traditional designs, and scrapped everything we knew of their design from the first film, the people here STILL would've found a way to bitch about it and/or this film.

98% of this board already had their minds made up about this film (and this incarnation of TMNT period) before the first movie released.

And as far as my insult goes, that's exactly the people here were acting. Like babies. Like little children who didn't get their way. Which is funny, given that we've probably all have been TMNT fans since were cause. And thus, know that pretty much every incarnation has been (in some way) radically different from the other.

Hell, the 2003 series alone went to 3 or so radical changes over the course of its run, with weird and wacky designs of its own.

So for this, the newest incarnation w/ changes of its own, to illicit such a childish reaction is just stupid, and deserves to be called what it is.

The TMNT fandom has no ground to stand on with these complaints. And we just look stupid when we make them. We're just as bad as those in the Transformers fandom who complain, when that franchise uas had as many incarnations as this one.

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

Your point about the 2003 cartoon is fascinating. You know what series ran the best four seasons of TMNT that was ever the closest to the original source material? 2003. Only after THAT did we get Mystic Turtles, Future Turtles, and Cyber Turtles. Because TOYS.

You know what franchise hasn't sold enough of their toys? Platinum Dunes. Cold hard facts, son. I know it's unpleasant, but sooner or later, you must face the truth.

Know that we'll all be waiting for you on the other side, with a big heaping plate of hot gooey "We Told You So."

Leo656
12-02-2015, 10:02 AM
Argh. This sh*t again. It's NOT "because change", it's because the changes are awful, extraneous, arbitrary, and poorly thought-out. Jesus.

freakdylan
12-02-2015, 10:09 AM
I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

You just made me laugh so hard, lol

Bry
12-02-2015, 10:10 AM
Man, these BayPologists are salty. :trazz:

And like the Foot in TMNT 2014, its meant to invoke the look and silhouette of a traditional ninja, while being more modernized and tactical.

Ah yes, the traditional ninja attire of mismatched gloves, chunky goggles, giant backpacks, puka shell necklaces, and cargo pants. Straight from the Feudal era!

The Fancypants prance and do the fancy-pants dance, if given half a chance, the Fancypants plants will go on Fancypants rants, and put us in a trance.

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

:tlol: Oh man, I needed that laugh today.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:12 AM
You just made me laugh so hard, lol

That is my purpose here on the 'Drome, good sir. I am grateful to you for allowing me to fulfill that purpose.

Man, these BayPologists are salty. :trazz:

Undeniably so. Back in 2014, I'd use SharkBlade's posts to season my French fries.

TurtleMikey
12-02-2015, 10:13 AM
Not "no matter what". Not if they actually weren't abysmal. People only hate them because they suck so painfully hard. If that weren't the case, well... whole different ballgame.

It being abysmal is entirely subjective. I could say/feel thag any version not the Next Mutation is abysmal, and I wouldn't be wrong.

It's opinion. And I and everyone here has the right to their opinion. But don't get upset when I point out how idiotic it is to complain about the fact alone that its different than whats come before..... which ALOT of people here are doing.

Forget what it was actually changed to.

Ive seen many here raging JUST because its different.

Y'know what's tactical combat-ready? Elbow pads, knee pads, belt, pouches for throwing stars and smoke bombs, bandanna, and some bandages or tape.

That's all she wrote, Chuck.


Yeah, but thats not the take theyre going with. And the designs in the first movie worked against their established take, with the Turtles having assimilated to human culture far more than we've seen before.

That junk they wore in the first movie? Doesn't make sense.

The more tactical, padded gear they have in Half-Shell? That makes sense within that established context.



I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

Your point about the 2003 cartoon is fascinating. You know what series ran the best four seasons of TMNT that was ever the closest to the original source material? 2003. Only after THAT did we get Mystic Turtles, Future Turtles, and Cyber Turtles. Because TOYS.

You know what franchise hasn't sold enough of their toys? Platinum Dunes. Cold hard facts, son. I know it's unpleasant, but sooner or later, you must face the truth.

Know that we'll all be waiting for you on the other side, with a big heaping plate of hot gooey "We Told You So."

Yeah, I'm not denying the first four seasons of TMNT are damn good television, and just about the best TMNT anything out there. But the later seasons (Fast Forward, Back to the Sewers, etc) are just as much a part of that series, regardless of why those changes.

And I'm sorry, but Cyber Shredder and Feudal Demon Shredder are no less outlandish than what we got in the 2014 movie.

And as far as that toy comment..... of course. That's one of the main reasons FOR the constant reinvention this franchise undergoes. TMNT is all about the mother f-ing toys.

And again, I can't grasp why people act so damn shocked when they make big changes. Toy motivated or not.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 10:14 AM
The elbow-length fetish gloves are so "bad-ass", while totally keeping with tradition. :lol:

Yeah, that sh*t's not totally poorly over-designed at all. My f*cking mistake, clearly.

DarkLightDragon
12-02-2015, 10:15 AM
I freakin love the tags here right now.

It's good to be back.:lol:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:18 AM
I freakin love the tags here right now.

It's good to be back.:lol:

You were missed. :tsmile:

Seriously, I only discovered the magic of tags on this thread. My life is forever changed.

Bry
12-02-2015, 10:18 AM
Some of these justifications and deflections, guys...

http://arvinddevalia.images.s3.amazonaws.com/bendoverbackwards.jpg

Ive seen many here raging JUST because its different.

Where? Show me. I've seen a lot of people complaining because it's worse, but that's not the same as complaining because it's "different". And along with that, stating a preference for the original designs over these ones isn't just complaining because they're "different" no matter how much you want to frame it that way.

These characters have had plenty of subtle redesigns over the years, and they usually go over fine because the core, classic design is left largely intact.

This situation, though? It's like adding cargo pants, sunglasses, and a leather loincloth to Spider-Man's costume. That's objectively worse than his classic design, and it's not being "afraid of change" that would upset people about that.

DarkLightDragon
12-02-2015, 10:20 AM
You were missed. :tsmile:

Seriously, I only discovered the magic of tags on this thread. My life is forever changed.

Felt I needed a long break from the craziness this board tends to have. Only to realize how much I missed it.

I'm here to stay bitches for now and for long.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:23 AM
Some of these justifications and deflections, guys...

http://arvinddevalia.images.s3.amazonaws.com/bendoverbackwards.jpg



Where? Show me. I've seen a lot of people complaining because it's worse, but that's not the same as complaining because it's "different". And stating a preference for the original designs over these ones isn't just complaining because they're "different".

Shut up, Bry. The first movie designs were awful, but these are clearly different. :tlol:

PANTS!

Felt I needed a long break from the craziness this board tends to have. Only to realize how much I missed it.

I'm here to stay bitches for now and for long.

When I need a break from the craziness, I just put the crazy on "Ignore" for a couple of weeks. Believe me, that helps.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 10:24 AM
And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

People who say the designs are bad have given hundreds of reasons WHY they are bad, since before the first movie, and continue to do so with these "updated" designs.

People who say the designs are good, can only give "I think they are good, and that is my opinion." That's literally the only argument that isn't a complete arms-length ass-extraction. And it's weak and worthless.

"Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design. Congratulations, you may be Rob Liefeld.

Mew
12-02-2015, 10:25 AM
The TMNT will look like this!
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CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:27 AM
And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

People who say the designs are bad have given hundreds of reasons WHY they are bad, since before the first movie, and continue to do so with these "updated" designs.

People who say the designs are good, can only give "I think they are good, and that is my opinion." That's literally the only argument that isn't a complete arms-length ass-extraction. And it's weak and worthless.

"Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design. Congratulations, you may be Rob Liefeld.

Rob Liefeld... that's the dude who put manboobs on Captain America, right? :tlol:

Bry
12-02-2015, 10:30 AM
Rob Liefeld... that's the dude who put manboobs on Captain America, right? :tlol:

http://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-boltvanderhuge2.gif

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:34 AM
http://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-boltvanderhuge2.gif

That is just all kinds of horrifying. MAKE. IT. STOP. :teek:

That one picture just switched me over to Team Tony in next year's Civil War. :tcry:

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 10:38 AM
And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

..."Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design.


You are kinda contradicting yourself there bro - to say everything is a matter of opinion and personal choice, then state that only a fool would think the new designs are good, basically says you are invalidating, and basically writing off anyone else that thinks differently.

If opinion is opinion, and personal choice is just that, then what makes one more valid over the other?

There are design choices for the PD Turtles, that if I were in charge I would NOT have made, absolutely, but to proclaim outright that the designs are bad, and people that like them have no design-sense/taste - is no different in its approach for those that state, fans that dont like the changes, just can't handle change. BOTH proclamations are EQUALLY brash, and dismissive of others, and doesn't do anything to forward a conversation or an actual exchange of ideas.

Not trying to pick on you bro, as I have nothing against you - but there seems to be an overarching theme in these boards in general where people post their opinion, and if others DON'T agree, then clearly there is something wrong with those people. Just seems backwards to me.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 10:39 AM
But Liefeld is a gazillionaire and we're not, so clearly he's smarter than all of us. Only idiots master basic anatomy before becoming superstar comic book artists. Smart guys swipe a few dozen panels from old issues of Teen Titans and call it a f*cking career.
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Read again more carefully GC: Nowhere do I ever state anything is "just a matter of opinion." That's never been my motto. My motto is, "Some things simply are what they f*cking are, and people's 'opinions' to the contrary are just them spitting in the wind." I think you misread what I was trying to say. No harm done.

But no, saying the TMNT movie designs are bad is NOT an opinion, it's a simple statement of fact. Someone saying they like the designs IS an opinion. And they have a right to it. But it's meaningless and it doesn't change the fact that the designs, from an unbiased, completely OBJECTIVE point of view, are bad. Like the movie itself. People can like the movie. It was still bad. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. The designs are poorly done, and the movie was poorly made.

Put simply - and I've said this before - Opinions don't outweigh Facts. That's the distinction.

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 10:52 AM
But Liefeld is a gazillionaire and we're not, so clearly he's smarter than all of us. Only idiots master basic anatomy before becoming superstar comic book artists. Smart guys swipe a few dozen panels from old issues of Teen Titans and call it a f*cking career.
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Read again more carefully GC: Nowhere do I ever state anything is "just a matter of opinion." That's never been my motto. My motto is, "Some things simply are what they f*cking are, and people's 'opinions' to the contrary are just them spitting in the wind." I think you misread what I was trying to say. No harm done.

But no, saying the TMNT movie designs are bad is NOT an opinion, it's a simple statement of fact. Someone saying they like the designs IS an opinion. And they have a right to it. But it's meaningless and it doesn't change the fact that the designs, from an unbiased, completely OBJECTIVE point of view, are bad. Like the movie itself. People can like the movie. It was still bad. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. The designs are poorly done, and the movie was poorly made.

Put simply - and I've said this before - Opinions don't outweigh Facts. That's the distinction.

the movie thing I get - there are universally accepted standards for good storytelling that this film DID NOT meet. I get it.

BUT, how is someone liking the designs an opinion, but you stating they are bad, not one too?

Nothing against you personally bro, but it just seems contradictory.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 10:57 AM
the movie thing I get - there are universally accepted standards for good storytelling that this film DID NOT meet. I get it.

BUT, how is someone liking the designs an opinion, but you stating they are bad, not one too?

Nothing against you personally bro, but it just seems contradictory.

Because some things contradict their basic nature.

Monster 7' Tall 600lb Turtles is a bad design.

Anorexic 90lb 4'4" Concave-Chest Hulk is a bad design.

Amish Iron Man is a bad design.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 11:00 AM
Because there's such a thing as Good Character Design, or Good Clothing/Costume Design, they teach it in schools and it's kind of an accepted thing? It's really not complicated.

Anyone who's taken a class or even owns a beginner's guide book on designing characters for comic books or something to that effect can point out a dozen things about those designs that are infuriating, serve no function, and make no sense. Plenty of people already have and will continue to do so, and I thank those people for investing the energy I simply don't have for this.

But again, Good Character Design (or Clothing/Costume Design) Is An Actual Thing People Go To School To Learn. Thus, it's not a simple matter of opinion. Those designs are something a ten-year-old kid would come up with. Or Rob Liefeld. Just a jumbled mess. There is no argument for why they're good. They are not good. They are demonstrably, provably Not Good.

It's true that the original, "Classic" TMNT designs are so elegant in their simplicity that tweaking or adding anything at all really comes off as needless, arbitrary, and a bad idea. But you can do it. It's been done, it's been tinkered with, to various degrees of success. THESE designs, this mis-matched, patchwork monstrosity of nonsense, is the problem. The fact that everything they're wearing and everything stuck on them is ugly, extraneous, and only there for the dumbest of dumb reasons. Not all TMNT redesigns are bad... but the movie ones sure as sh*t are and that's inarguable.

If something can be supported with facts it is Fact, not Opinion. I'm not sure why people seem to struggle with this, other than, people don't like Facts that go against their Opinions. Tough rocks, that's life.

Candy Kappa
12-02-2015, 11:22 AM
BUT, how is someone liking the designs an opinion, but you stating they are bad, not one too?.

It's times like this I wish I saved the post I made before the move section lockdown, where I explained in detail on each Turtle why the creative design and clothing design was bad.

It was so long I had to break it up into 3 posts iirc. :lol:

Leo656
12-02-2015, 11:23 AM
You're one of the ones I was thinking of. You're good at sh*t like that. :tsmile:

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 11:34 AM
Because there's such a thing as Good Character Design, or Good Clothing/Costume Design, they teach it in schools and it's kind of an accepted thing? It's really not complicated.


Yes, I am aware - I went to school for design, and computer graphics, and know that there universally accepted rules. BUT, even in that environment, choices in aesthetic are rooted in personal opinion.

Let's not beat a dead horse, it is what it is.

Because some things contradict their basic nature.

Monster 7' Tall 600lb Turtles is a bad design.

Anorexic 90lb 4'4" Concave-Chest Hulk is a bad design.

Amish Iron Man is a bad design.

A fair point - the designs do contradict their pre-established nature, but by default, it doesn't make them bad, just different.

An Amish Iron Man? Anorexic Hulk? Picturing those in my head made me laugh. You have my thanks.

It's times like this I wish I saved the post I made before the move section lockdown, where I explained in detail on each Turtle why the creative design and clothing design was bad.

It was so long I had to break it up into 3 posts iirc. :lol:

And I'm not disagreeing with you. As an early supporter of this film series, I will admit now, that the more I look at the Turtles, and the more times I've seen the film, the more I wish they went in completely different directions. This series, and its designs, are SERIOUSLY FLAWED.

All I'm saying is, at the end of the day, just like the statement I just made about the series, like any other is JUST an opinion.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 11:58 AM
A fair point - the designs do contradict their pre-established nature, but by default, it doesn't make them bad, just different.

An Amish Iron Man? Anorexic Hulk? Picturing those in my head made me laugh. You have my thanks.

I'll freely admit, I don't mind my Turtles wearing a bit of personalized bling.

The accessories didn't really bother me (extraneous though they may be), except for Donnie's uber-nerd appearance. That was damned insulting.

But putting all four Turtles in pants just brings the utter ridiculousness of the design choices into sharp focus. It looks like April O'Neil's bachelorette party.

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 12:03 PM
I'll freely admit, I don't mind my Turtles wearing a bit of personalized bling.

The accessories didn't really bother me (extraneous though they may be), except for Donnie's uber-nerd appearance. That was damned insulting.

But putting all four Turtles in pants just brings the utter ridiculousness of the design choices into sharp focus. It looks like April O'Neil's bachelorette party.

No arguments here. Donnie has always been a personal favorite of mine since the OT, but it's like they took every 'NERD/GEEK' stereotype and just vomited all over his PD version. Ya think a guy that was that much into having tech on hand, would make it more streamline and less bulky.

I only like the pants, IF they move to wear like a FULL suit, traditional ninja-esque style for some clandestine part of the film.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 12:06 PM
Difference is, an "opinion" unsupported by facts is completely worthless to anyone except the person speaking it.

It's a harsh truth, but it is the truth.

"Just my opinion" = probably the three most empty, meaningless, worthless words ever assembled in the entire English language. It means nothing. But to the speaker, it means everything, including that they don't have to actually listen to reason or acknowledge truth.

I mean, I get it, you think people are overreacting to the designs. Well, they're not. But I empathize with you that the discussion may be more than a bit redundant at this point. Still, it's entirely justified all the same, so it's probably not going away anytime soon.

Bry
12-02-2015, 12:09 PM
A fair point - the designs do contradict their pre-established nature, but by default, it doesn't make them bad, just different.

I'd argue it does, though. The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

Besides which, even on a simple practical level... they're ninjas. They're meant to be stealthy, which becomes increasingly hard to buy when they're 7+ foot tall bruisers. Their movement would be somewhat restricted already by their shells and plastron, so it makes sense for them not to wear something like pants or tie random pieces of clothing around their waists in order to move as fluidly and effectively as possible -- all that stuff does is further restrict their movement, which goes against their main function.

I know the dead horse has now been beaten to a fine paste, but there are plenty of well-backed-up, objective reasons why these designs just don't work and were not well thought out.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 12:16 PM
I gotta take a nap and go to work. I just wanna point out that, despite the fact most of the comments were "negative" about the designs, absolutely everyone in here was having a grand old fun time until someone tried to shame them for their "negative" comments and jokes. Then everything got all angsty and circular. Again.

Maybe people ought to just let people talk and not try to police the content of the conversation. Just a thought. Sure seemed like everyone was having a lot more fun in this thread yesterday.

"In my opinion."

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 12:40 PM
Difference is, an "opinion" unsupported by facts is completely worthless to anyone except the person speaking it.


What "facts" are you referring to bro? I keep asking you, why you thinking the designs are bad, trumps people who think the designs are good, and you keep giving me the definition between fact and opinion.

all in all dude, we've beaten a dead horse. i have nothing against you, and hope you have a good day at work.

I'd argue it does, though. The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

Besides which, even on a simple practical level... they're ninjas. They're meant to be stealthy, which becomes increasingly hard to buy when they're 7+ foot tall bruisers. Their movement would be somewhat restricted already by their shells and plastron, so it makes sense for them not to wear something like pants or tie random pieces of clothing around their waists in order to move as fluidly and effectively as possible -- all that stuff does is further restrict their movement, which goes against their main function.

I know the dead horse has now been beaten to a fine paste, but there are plenty of well-backed-up, objective reasons why these designs just don't work and were not well thought out.

all great points (no sarcasm), that I agree with. unfortunately, the design team didnt seem to think in that direction, and its really a shame. I've seen, as Im sure many of you have, some of the other concept designs, where they were much slimmer, and less physically imposing, and I wish they went with those.

shame that we have to wait on another iteration to see a different take.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 12:47 PM
I did explain it: People who say the designs are bad have actual evidence to support that opinion. People who say the designs are good have nothing BUT that opinion, that they cling to like a life jacket even though it isn't helping anything.

A person can prove the designs are bad. But by contrast, no person can prove they are good, because they are Not Good. That's why the former "opinion" carries so much more weight than the latter. If it's "just" an opinion, with nothing substantial to support it other than, "It's what I think"... then it's worthless. It means nothing. It's nothing but a defensive reaction. It's just something people to say to convince themselves they're not wrong when the entire world seems to disagree with them. "But it can't be wrong, IT'S MY OPINION!" But opinions can be wrong and often are.

That's the point. Nothing against you either buddy but it's a lot simpler than you're making it. I mean, maybe it's just mean to say it out loud, "some opinions are worthless." Okay, maybe it's mean and maybe I'm an asshole for saying it out loud. It's totally the truth, though. Any opinion that's "Just" an opinion has absolutely zero weight and even speaking it aloud is a waste of the listeners' time. Support the "opinion" with facts, or defer to those who can, is how I look at it. "All opinions are equal and valid"... no, that's false. That is an ignorant lie that only invites more ignorance from the mouths of people who actually believe such nonsense.

I hope I've explained it enough to make sense. No hard feelin's, guy.

Bry
12-02-2015, 12:59 PM
all great points (no sarcasm), that I agree with. unfortunately, the design team didnt seem to think in that direction, and its really a shame. I've seen, as Im sure many of you have, some of the other concept designs, where they were much slimmer, and less physically imposing, and I wish they went with those.

shame that we have to wait on another iteration to see a different take.

Hey, glad we can agree on that.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bd/3b/8b/bd3b8bdc2bbeedba46dc8fc88e1b6498.jpg

I'd honestly hold the original TMNT designs up to some of the all-time classics. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man... each of them has been toyed with over the years, but there's a core, essential design in there that has to be adhered to in order to work right. And there's a reason the classic designs have never really been permanently changed or replaced. Timeless always wins in the end. Going for "trendy" or "realistic" redesigns just gives you something that'll look extremely dated in a few years, while the classic always looks good. But you'll always have some arrogant creator/designer who thinks they can do it better. It's like reinventing the wheel.

And some might not agree, but that's why I'm personally hoping for an "Amazing Spider-Man 2" situation with this movie, so they can reboot and someone else can get it right as soon as possible. That is well out of any of our hands, though. :trazz:

d_osborn
12-02-2015, 01:18 PM
It's not personally what I would have done, but I can't wait to see what the final renders look like! Based on the toppers, I think I'll dig the design changes more than the previous film.

I'll be there opening day with a huge grin, low expectations, my childhood pals and a belly full of pizza and beer. I'm anticipating that the fan reactions leading up will be more entertaining than the movie itself.

Bry
12-02-2015, 01:32 PM
And more power to you, really. It's your money and your time, you don't have to answer to anyone.

Me, I'm gonna save my money for something I don't have to lower my expectations to the ground for. Rewarding mediocrity (or incompetence) is just voting for more, and I'm not gonna play a part in that.

Technogeek29
12-02-2015, 01:37 PM
Keep it civil guys we were doing so well no insults until today. Let's focus on the real issue the designs not people's stance on the matter.

Andrew NDB
12-02-2015, 01:39 PM
I will say that all the people clamoring for Peter Laird's ousting or cheering his sale of TMNT to a big corporate entity like Nick/Viacom... you people are getting exactly what you deserve.

d_osborn
12-02-2015, 02:02 PM
And more power to you, really. It's your money and your time, you don't have to answer to anyone.

Me, I'm gonna save my money for something I don't have to lower my expectations to the ground for. Rewarding mediocrity (or incompetence) is just voting for more, and I'm not gonna play a part in that.
Make no mistake, I'll be going for a fun evening with my old gang. Remembering old times, laughing, having fun. I'm not going to let my opinion of character design or production ruin that for me. The movie is just a catalyst for a few hours of fun, and my inner child loves the anticipation. :D

I guess the big difference for me is that my interest in TMNT comes from the past. I don't really have any personal connection to modern stuff... really anything after SOTO. There's an interest to see what's out there, but I simply don't care if it doesn't appeal to me. I can enjoy it for what it is: 90 minutes of escapism and a few laughs.

Back on topic, I like what I've seen of this design way more than TNM and TMNT 3.

I will say that all the people clamoring for Peter Laird's ousting or cheering his sale of TMNT to a big corporate entity like Nick/Viacom... you people are getting exactly what you deserve.
Yeah, Laird would never have been open to turtle pants in a TMNT movie.
http://i.imgur.com/MYYsG8E.jpg

Xav
12-02-2015, 02:28 PM
And we should be glad that, for one of the rare times in the history of the franchise, we have two versions to enjoy; the current fikk version, and the great Nickelodeon series.I think you mean the IDW version and Nickelodeon series.

Technogeek29
12-02-2015, 02:34 PM
I think you mean the IDW version and Nickelodeon series.

But the movie is like the comics... See April named the Turtles while she was in a lab just like in IDW. See totally like the comics:D

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 02:51 PM
Make no mistake, I'll be going for a fun evening with my old gang. Remembering old times, laughing, having fun. I'm not going to let my opinion of character design or production ruin that for me. The movie is just a catalyst for a few hours of fun, and my inner child loves the anticipation. :D

I guess the big difference for me is that my interest in TMNT comes from the past. I don't really have any personal connection to modern stuff... really anything after SOTO. There's an interest to see what's out there, but I simply don't care if it doesn't appeal to me. I can enjoy it for what it is: 90 minutes of escapism and a few laughs.

Back on topic, I like what I've seen of this design way more than TNM and TMNT 3.


Yeah, Laird would never have been open to turtle pants in a TMNT movie.
http://i.imgur.com/MYYsG8E.jpg

See, I'm okay with it on Mikey. All four of the Turtles though is a huge stretch. And I don't just mean the fabric.

jenna
12-02-2015, 03:08 PM
Oh dear. I feel well and truly stupid for having had hope that the design team would respond to fan feedback and "tone it down" at least a tad for the sequel. Stupid Jenna. Stupid, stupid, stupid.....

TurtleMikey
12-02-2015, 03:22 PM
I'd argue it does, though. The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

Besides which, even on a simple practical level... they're ninjas. They're meant to be stealthy, which becomes increasingly hard to buy when they're 7+ foot tall bruisers. Their movement would be somewhat restricted already by their shells and plastron, so it makes sense for them not to wear something like pants or tie random pieces of clothing around their waists in order to move as fluidly and effectively as possible -- all that stuff does is further restrict their movement, which goes against their main function.

I know the dead horse has now been beaten to a fine paste, but there are plenty of well-backed-up, objective reasons why these designs just don't work and were not well thought out.

You're arguing how clothing on a Turtle ninja isn't functional, and using that as a reason why the design isn't good.

It's called suspension of belief.

If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that (5 feet tall or 6 feet tall), they could perform in pants, or some other type of clothing.

Any arguments about the functionality and stealth abilty of NINJA TURTLES (small or large) are a silly as the person making them.

It's on thing to just not like these designs and/or prefer a previous one. But ffs, many of you do some ridiculous reaching and over-analysis to explain why these designs are 100% factually bad, and why anyone who likes them have **** taste.

And btw....


The design should serve and sell the characters and the concept. And the classic look does that -- their short/small size shows they're not adults (Teenage), their overall "look" is a solid blend between turtles and humans (Mutant Turtles), their accessories effectively show you what they are (Ninja) without overwhelming the rest of the design. They've got that kind of elegant simplicity that just always works. It worked in 1984 and it works now.

.....keep on proving that how good (or rather bad) you feel these designs are always boils down to how similar they are to the classic design. Because it always, ALWAYS comes back to "Well the classic designs were....." "Well the classic designs had....." "Well the classic designs didn't have....."

Bry
12-02-2015, 03:34 PM
You're arguing how clothing on a Turtle ninja isn't functional, and using that as a reason why the design isn't good.

It's called suspension of belief.

If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that (5 feet tall or 6 feet tall), they could perform in pants, or some other type of clothing.

Any arguments about the functionality and stealth abilty of NINJA TURTLES (small or large) are a silly as the person making them.

It's on thing to just not like these designs and/or prefer a previous one. But ffs, many of you do some ridiculous reaching and over-analysis to explain why these designs are 100% factually bad, and why anyone who likes them have **** taste.

Listen, I just listed a bunch of fairly objective, solid, logical reasons why one design works and the other doesn't. All you have in response is "suspension of disbelief" and insults? C'mon, man. If you want to debate my points, actually debate them. Being this dismissive just tells me you don't have a rebuttal and you know it.

Like Leo said, character design is an actual skill and art form, something that people go to school for and study. So no, we're not "reaching" or "over-analyzing" it. And maybe you don't know or care about that sort of thing, but do you know who should? Filmmakers, producers, and professional designers. Like the people who ordered, approved and/or pinched out these awful designs.

.....keep on proving that how good (or rather bad) you feel these designs are always boils down to how similar they are to the classic design. Because it always, ALWAYS comes back to "Well the classic designs were....." "Well the classic designs had....." "Well the classic designs didn't have....."

Are you being willfully obtuse or do you honestly not grasp what I'm saying? I already explained this. The classic designs are classic for a reason. You can tweak them a bit, but changing them too much just never works. The classic designs completely sell the characters and the concept in a visual sense, something that the BayTurtles designs do not.

You're so desperate to set the narrative as some "fans afraid of change" nonsense that you're ignoring our actual points.

Andrew NDB
12-02-2015, 03:38 PM
If you can buy into the idea of a humanoid, teenage, turtle ninja, there's no reason you can't suspend youre belief just a bit more and buy that

Ah, Crisler's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law) rears its head again...

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 03:43 PM
Ah, Crisler's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law) rears its head again...

It is great to have you back as an active member. Who the hell is Crisler? That brother really knew his stuff. :tlol:

Etsyturtle2
12-02-2015, 04:18 PM
Utter horror. I feel sick.

graphic_content
12-02-2015, 04:27 PM
I hope I've explained it enough to make sense. No hard feelin's, guy.

none at all bro. life's too short.

Hey, glad we can agree on that.

And some might not agree, but that's why I'm personally hoping for an "Amazing Spider-Man 2" situation with this movie, so they can reboot and someone else can get it right as soon as possible. That is well out of any of our hands, though. :trazz:

me too.

and yes, I keep wondering if there is a competent director that would take the Turtles in the right direction - and while there are plenty of amazing directors, I would feel better if the one chosen was an actual fan of the source material. does such one exist? none that I know of.

TrickOrTreater
12-02-2015, 04:37 PM
Ah, Crisler's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law) rears its head again...

God I love that this exists.

God I also love that the same arguments are being had from the other side with the same ad hominem attacks being thrown around.

Warms the cockles of my heart.

Xav
12-02-2015, 04:41 PM
But the movie is like the comics... See April named the Turtles while she was in a lab just like in IDW,Did she? The turtles already had their names on their tanks. I figured they were named by whoever came up with Project Renaissance.

pennydreadful
12-02-2015, 05:16 PM
Oh dear. I feel well and truly stupid for having had hope that the design team would respond to fan feedback and "tone it down" at least a tad for the sequel. Stupid Jenna. Stupid, stupid, stupid.....

Nobody behind this suckfest gives a handful of warm crap what the TMNT fanbase thinks. I've said it before and I'll say it again - these movies are made for Bay fans and regular movie-goers who want to switch their brains off and watch shiny things. It is a Michael Bay movie containing all the standard Bayisms, made to appeal to the general public, and it just happens to have the Turtles in it. Bay makes the movies he wants to see - which he's stated himself on several occasions. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Btw, speaking of old arguments, we should start a betting pool on how long it takes for the "Bay's only a producer, it's not his movie!" thing to get trotted out again. :tlol:

TrickOrTreater
12-02-2015, 07:32 PM
Nobody behind this suckfest gives a handful of warm crap what the TMNT fanbase thinks. I've said it before and I'll say it again - these movies are made for Bay fans and regular movie-goers who want to switch their brains off and watch shiny things. It is a Michael Bay movie containing all the standard Bayisms, made to appeal to the general public, and it just happens to have the Turtles in it. Bay makes the movies he wants to see - which he's stated himself on several occasions. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Btw, speaking of old arguments, we should start a betting pool on how long it takes for the "Bay's only a producer, it's not his movie!" thing to get trotted out again. :tlol:

Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 07:36 PM
Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

Ooooooooh, I LOVE this idea. :tcool:

"Bay's only a producer"
"The whole idea is ridiculous (Crisler's Law)"

What other tiles?

Commenter 42
12-02-2015, 07:41 PM
This took me exactly 6 minutes, including upload.

http://i.imgur.com/VqErkgL.png

Etsyturtle2
12-02-2015, 07:58 PM
This took me exactly 6 minutes, including upload.

http://i.imgur.com/VqErkgL.png

Is it referring to the fact that bay turtles is drastically different and wrong?

pennydreadful
12-02-2015, 09:30 PM
Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.

Ooooooooh, I LOVE this idea. :tcool:

"Bay's only a producer"
"The whole idea is ridiculous (Crisler's Law)"

What other tiles?

Well we've gotta have a bingo tile for "butthurt". One for the circular "opinions" argument that always seems to rear its head. And one for "hater fanboys can't handle change and just want to jerk it to the 1990 movie".

Oh, and we need a bingo tile for one of my faves - the "it's a popcorn flick/kids movie - it doesn't need to make sense!" line. :tlol:

Which then leads to the requirement for the "it made X amount of dollars, therefore it must be good" tile.

goddamn, this bingo thing's a slippery slope, eh wot? :trazz:

Commenter 42
12-02-2015, 09:41 PM
Is it referring to the fact that bay turtles is drastically different and wrong?

In response to the argument about good vs bad design. It's entirely possible.

Sometimes you need to do more than spell it out, some people need pictures to go with the words.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-02-2015, 09:49 PM
Well we've gotta have a bingo tile for "butthurt". One for the circular "opinions" argument that always seems to rear its head. And one for "hater fanboys can't handle change and just want to jerk it to the 1990 movie".

Oh, and we need a bingo tile for one of my faves - the "it's a popcorn flick/kids movie - it doesn't need to make sense!" line. :tlol:

Which then leads to the requirement for the "it made X amount of dollars, therefore it must be good" tile.

goddamn, this bingo thing's a slippery slope, eh wot? :trazz:

Please, keep them coming! So far we've barely got one row and I KNOW there is plenty more to think of.

Leo656
12-02-2015, 10:04 PM
Ah, Crisler's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law) rears its head again...

I much prefer Criswell's Law: "Future Events Such As These Will Affect You In The Future!" Because you're goddamn right they will.

snake
12-02-2015, 10:10 PM
Well, I can't say I prefer the first designs, and I can't say these are an improvement.

Really, I just want to see the sh*tstorm that comes when Bebop and Rocksteady are revealed.

IndigoErth
12-02-2015, 10:11 PM
Somebody needs to make up a Bingo card.

And print looooooots of copies.
It'll be part drinking game, right? I think it's gonna be needed.

Metalwolf
12-02-2015, 11:09 PM
Another tile:

"These Turtles are for today's kids!"

Powder
12-02-2015, 11:12 PM
Really, I just want to see the sh*tstorm that comes when Bebop and Rocksteady are revealed.

http://professionalfangirls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_m6wusg6ppI1rziwwco1_400.gif

IndigoErth
12-02-2015, 11:20 PM
Don't forget:
"Best TMNT movie ever"
"Nostalgia glasses"




edit: Yeah, I really can't wait until we see B&R, design-reveal apocalypse part 2. I'm not too attached to them though, so I plan to just sit back with the popcorn and see how that goes over.

No toppers for them?

TrickOrTreater
12-02-2015, 11:33 PM
Well we've gotta have a bingo tile for "butthurt". One for the circular "opinions" argument that always seems to rear its head. And one for "hater fanboys can't handle change and just want to jerk it to the 1990 movie".

Oh, and we need a bingo tile for one of my faves - the "it's a popcorn flick/kids movie - it doesn't need to make sense!" line. :tlol:

Which then leads to the requirement for the "it made X amount of dollars, therefore it must be good" tile.

goddamn, this bingo thing's a slippery slope, eh wot? :trazz:

Ahhhh look at them all. All these rancid, tired arguments.

I feel like Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park.

http://i.imgur.com/56nil6j.jpg?2

Commenter 42
12-02-2015, 11:50 PM
Now that I've sen Doomsday, I know for certain, The days of good character cg are over. B&R will look like walking talking cartoons slapped over a live action plate.

The quality of production has fallen so low lately...garbage at every turn.

Leo656
12-03-2015, 12:12 AM
I think Bebop and Rocksteady will surprisingly be the best thing about this movie.

Take that however you wish. :lol:

Commenter 42
12-03-2015, 12:20 AM
There is no "best thing" about it. There is only darkness and despair, the husk of what could have been.

The things you could do for 150 million dollars...

Leo656
12-03-2015, 12:21 AM
The things I could get Megan Fox to do for 150 million dollars. :lol: