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I know the creators have hinted, so far, that this, for some reason, is their intent, but I'm assuming you have your own reasons. Just curious. Maybe there's an element I'm not seeing. |
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05-29-2018, 04:36 PM | #342 | |
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Or maybe I'm not understanding what you're talking about wanting to see them do.
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05-29-2018, 07:56 PM | #343 | |
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05-29-2018, 09:46 PM | #344 |
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Canon is the most important thing in life, if it's not going to be canon then I'm going to lose interest. This is not an "Elseworlds" TMNT comic.
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05-29-2018, 10:50 PM | #345 | |
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Whether or not it’s an “Elseworlds” depends on who you ask. The conversation has shifted more towards what it could or should be, should it continue, than what it is. If we’re trying to be technical, it most certainly is an “elseworlds” TMNT in relation to Mirage. But ya know, during its inception and actual creation, it wasn’t. There’s obviously two sides to that truth. What all “kind of all happened”? Last edited by AquaParade; 05-29-2018 at 10:57 PM. |
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05-29-2018, 11:06 PM | #346 | |
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1. Image TMNT/"TMNT Vol. 3" was always created to be a direct continuation of Mirage TMNT Vol. 2. Always, this wasn't even ever a muddy issue. It was lauded as such in every press release from www.ninjarturtles.com, and even its own lettercol, both from Mirage and from Gary and Frank. There are editor's notes throughout the books referencing Mirage Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 issues. 2. Image TMNT/"TMNT Vol. 3" was under the full purview of Peter Laird. There are many lettercols where Gary talks about notes from Laird on this or that, every issue... Laird was fully involved in the creative process. 3. Image TMNT/"TMNT Vol. 3" in its later days when sales dipped was kept afloat by Peter Laird's own dollars. 4. When it was over, at every turn, Gary and Frank said that had they been allowed to, TMNT/"TMNT Vol. 3" would have returned the Turtles to the status quo to fit back into Mirage (which most probably correctly assume to mean... all injuries/conditions were to be reversed). That doesn't mean that all the new characters they created were to die (although I kind of killed a lot/most of them off in my thing, with their blessing), or that they were to work to precognitively anticipate future stories that they had no idea would exist in Mirage... but those were the basics. That years later Peter Laird said in Vol. 4's lettercol he didn't feel right about massaging Vol. 3 into Vol. 4 in any visible way doesn't take away any of that intent from the beginning or end of Vol. 3. And not to be cold, but it seems to mean even less now a decade after Peter Laird sold away the right to even determine that anymore. Truth be told, Laird could have directly and easily trampled on Vol. 3 within Vol. 4... but he didn't.
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05-30-2018, 12:59 AM | #347 |
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Canon or not, it's a good story, and I think that's all that really matters (though I personally consider it canon, regardless of Laird's statements).
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05-30-2018, 11:17 AM | #348 | |
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05-30-2018, 12:13 PM | #349 |
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I seriously doubt the writers are going to go crazy with it, especially now that the franchise is managed by IDW and their scripts still have to be approved by Nickelodeon. And even if they never read Vol. 4 they're likely well aware the main cast at least is all alive and well (at least at the start, Splinter does pass away in Vol. 4 )
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05-30-2018, 06:33 PM | #350 |
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Quite pleased with the colors of TMNT: UL #1. It really makes a difference. Since it was purely B&W with no duotones/shade, it really lifts it up to enjoy the art even more. About canon, since its such a long time gap between Vol. 3 and Vol. 4, I'd like to think it counts. There's nothing that disputes it either in Vol. 4. Like others have stated Vol. 3 was the only "Mirage tone" TMNT comic at the time and it takes place literally after if not shortly after Vol. 2. I'd like to think Vol. 3 is like Tales of TMNT, a gap of untold tales in between Vol. 2 and Vol. 4.
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05-31-2018, 12:56 AM | #351 | |
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Is there an interview or another source where his part in the creative process is mentioned? Thanks! |
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06-01-2018, 03:38 PM | #352 |
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06-01-2018, 05:57 PM | #354 |
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They already announced all 23 issues will be reprinted. The Image characters/superheroes appear in like half the issues of the book, so there would be no way to even reprint this series in the first place if they didn't make a deal with Image.
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He's asking if they would appear in the 3 new issues.
I don't think any of those characters are relevant by that time in the story, they were just fun fodder for in-house crossovers at the time. That said, it'd be neat if the dragon showed up in one of the 3, he's had a fair amount of history with the turtles. I wouldn't count on that happening, though.
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Yep. Check out the lettercols of all of Vol. 3, particularly closer toward the end.
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06-02-2018, 11:15 AM | #357 |
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It honestly just seems a shame to return everything to the status quo. There were lots of daring changes made and it seems kind of pointless to reverse them all.
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They were already healing by the end of the book. Raph's face was healing and Donatello was shedding more of the cyborg armor and lost the CPU A.I. as it progressed. The only thing that's a hard sell is Leo regaining the hand that got bit off, I kinda wish that never happened.
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06-02-2018, 02:57 PM | #360 |
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I am still stoked to see these books coming back to comic book stores.
But to be honest: I would love the idea to let Vol. 3 replace TMNT Universe as a monthly book and not just end with #26. I know that these three books are more than we could ever ask for, and am so thankful that IDW will do these reprints plus a conclusion. But if I had to choose I would always go for the Vol.1-4 TMNT over the rest. They could do 100 issues of the Imageverse and I would still be around. Just like I am now 20 years later. |
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