How long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

[Gin Rummy]

With the new show coming out later this year I have noticed a growing sentiment of unease among the more "hardcore" members of the community. Tons of people are mad about some of the design choices for the new show, some are mad about various changes the new show will make to the characters.

My question to the forum is, how long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

My bet is that the show will be lucky to make it past Season 2. The show just screams that Nick is cashing out their chips on the TMNT brand. Ringing out the last pennies they can squeeze from advertisers and fans alike. If Nick was truly behind ROTTMNT they would have sat on it for 3-4 years at least. 2012 TMNT's ratings were tanking towards the end of it's run. Shows like these have proven to be cyclical.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

3 seasons at the very least but I think a 5 season run like the Nick show is perfectly possible.

[Gin Rummy]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

3 seasons at the very least but I think a 5 season run like the Nick show is perfectly possible.

I could see a third season if production isn't crazy expensive and the toys sell well enough, but 5 seasons seems a tad far fetched to me..

The problem this show is going to run into is that the audience Turtles had from 2012 isn't coming back. Not due to the changes this show makes, but due to the fact that they have aged out of the property. This more "kid friendly" version is not going to attract teenagers, and TMNT won't be cool to the little brother who emulates the elder.

That is the importance of sitting on shows like this. Time has a way of rejuvenating old properties.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No more than four seasons.

I don't see this doing as well as the previous show. 2 seasons guaranteed, increasing decline season 3, limping season 4.

[victory_angel]

A lot of what’s being offered is not was is the norm for the franchise such as Leo being the second youngest instead of the oldest, Raph being the leader now instead of Leo. Or because magic will be more of a thing in the series now then previous incarnations. And people are quick to say it will suck because of they don’t like or trust those changes.

There have been things that haven’t worked in the past, and there have been somethings that have been dead out of the gate. But before completely disregarding it or saying it sucks let it play out first. It still might not turn out to be your idea of the Turtles or even your version, but it might have some things that are actually interesting. Or even concepts that you might not mind seeing in a future incarnation. After all we are not the people this show is being made for, we’ve had our time on the Turtle Train and we’ve grown up. A new generation of TMNT fans are being introduced to this series and they will take it as they will. There will be some who like it, some who don’t, some who are indifferent, and a number who would feel the previous versions were better.

Then maybe five to twenty years down the road there will be a new version of the series will be introduced and that will be recieved in its own way. What really matters is what has TMNT meant to us? And then ask ourselves, how can I make a version of TMNT as I see it?

[Gin Rummy]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

A lot of what’s being offered is not was is the norm for the franchise such as Leo being the second youngest instead of the oldest, Raph being the leader now instead of Leo. Or because magic will be more of a thing in the series now then previous incarnations. And people are quick to say it will suck because of they don’t like or trust those changes.

There have been things that haven’t worked in the past, and there have been somethings that have been dead out of the gate. But before completely disregarding it or saying it sucks let it play out first. It still might not turn out to be your idea of the Turtles or even your version, but it might have some things that are actually interesting. Or even concepts that you might not mind seeing in a future incarnation. After all we are not the people this show is being made for, we’ve had our time on the Turtle Train and we’ve grown up. A new generation of TMNT fans are being introduced to this series and they will take it as they will. There will be some who like it, some who don’t, some who are indifferent, and a number who would feel the previous versions were better.

Then maybe five to twenty years down the road there will be a new version of the series will be introduced and that will be recieved in its own way.

I make a point not to question the quality of a show until I have seen it. I am merely questioning Nick's decision to release a show so soon after the last one had finished it's run.
It was no secret that TMNT 2012's ratings had mostly fallen off a cliff after the third season.
ROTTMNT could be a great show, But the deck is seemingly stacked against it being a success.

[TurtleWA]

My prediction is that we will be getting another show in 2023.

[CyberCubed]

5 seasons. It's pretty likely Nick intends to give every new series a 5 year run. I don't think it will bomb, people fail to realize literally millions of kids are born every year and the kids watching this show will never have seen the 2012 series.

[sdp]

I think it has everything set against it, I"m guessing a season or two if they really want to give it a chance and if we're very lucky 3. No way it lasts as long as 2012.

[IndigoErth]

Likewise, 3 comes to mind. The first two to do what they want, a third to try to improve on it and increase ratings, and if that doesn't work, well...


Unless it sucks but somehow does spectacularly, leaving us with zero hope for humanity. And Turtlekind.

[Powder]

With the new show coming out later this year I have noticed a growing sentiment of unease among the more "hardcore" members of the community.

If by "hardcore" you mean 1-version-only fans, & by "community" you mean Facebook/Tumblr, sure... Arguably it's this site best known for being hardcore, & Rise has been met by many an open mind here.

My question to the forum is, how long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

There is no way to know that. It looks like something that kids will like, & their vote matters more than yours or mine. If that demographic is happy, they'll have a respectable run. 30 year old men crying about their ruined childhoods do not matter. It is entirely possible that this show will perform poorly for being too different, but again, it will be many kids' first experience with TMNT (i.e. key viewers will have no bias) & we haven't even seen a second of animation yet. Not to mention if the (promising) toyline does well, this'll stick around.

My bet is that the show will be lucky to make it past Season 2. The show just screams that Nick is cashing out their chips on the TMNT brand. Ringing out the last pennies they can squeeze from advertisers and fans alike. If Nick was truly behind ROTTMNT they would have sat on it for 3-4 years at least. 2012 TMNT's ratings were tanking towards the end of it's run. Shows like these have proven to be cyclical.

& there it is. Thinly veiled hate thread. You clearly don't understand how the industry works, either.

[Xiewin]

I'm sure i'll be popular among kids, but that's not always an guarantee.

I can't get over the 11 minute run-time. It just sounds kind of lazy. I'm all open to changes but I dislike a blatant lack of effort. No time for character development or a nicely fleshed out story. When I watch a few episodes I hope i'll prove me wrong.

[Powder]

Like I said earlier, Adventure Time had tons of character development, lore, continuity, & it's an 11 minute per episode series. Relax for now.

[Cure]

I loooove people jumping to conclusions about 11 minute episodes. They've clearly never seen Adventure Time, Steven Universe, or Phineas and Ferb. I'm not saying this show is guaranteed that caliber of quality, but there's no reason to automatically dismiss 11 minute episodes.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I'm sure i'll be popular among kids, but that's not always an guarantee.

I can't get over the 11 minute run-time. It just sounds kind of lazy. I'm all open to changes but I dislike a blatant lack of effort. No time for character development or a nicely fleshed out story. When I watch a few episodes I hope i'll prove me wrong.

There are shows like Steven Universe, Star vs, Adventure time, Hey Arnold and even Regular Show that have an 11 minute run time but have enough room for character development.
In fact this show is only 13 minutes long and it manages to fit so much content into one episode.



On topic, I see this show either lasting short(at most 2 seasons) or a long time(8 seasons) no middle ground with these kinds of shows.

[CyberCubed]

Just curious, why is the 11 minute runtime so popular among kids shows these days? The last cartoons I watched, like Nick TMNT, Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, Young Justice, etc...all still used the traditional 22 minute episode length.

Did this basically become a thing after say 2013 or so?

[TurtleWA]

Short shows don’t bother me anymore. I watch all my shows on Hulu, Netflix and buying the seasons on DVD. I’m not even going to watch the new show until it’s on DVD or Netflix. I’m so use to binge watching that I can’t go back. I don’t mind spoilers either so it’s fine. It’s great that when an episode ends in a type of cliffhanger I can just keep watching. So 11 min is no problem when you have episode after episode to watch.

I hope this generation of TMNT fans that are kids are not use to the binge watching as I am. Other wise when episodes air ratings will be extremely poor. Hopefully though the Netflix, Hulu and DVD deals will be great enough so that the traditional ratings don’t even factor. Do companies even care about traditional ratings anymore?

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Just curious, why is the 11 minute runtime so popular among kids shows these days? The last cartoons I watched, like Nick TMNT, Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, Young Justice, etc...all still used the traditional 22 minute episode length.

Did this basically become a thing after say 2013 or so?

What do you mean these days there were tons of shows with 11 minute run times the only difference is that instead of showing two of them at once networks(mostly CN) only show one.

[Gin Rummy]

Originally Posted by Powder

If by "hardcore" you mean 1-version-only fans, & by "community" you mean Facebook/Tumblr, sure... Arguably it's this site best known for being hardcore, & Rise has been met by many an open mind here.



There is no way to know that. It looks like something that kids will like, & their vote matters more than yours or mine. If that demographic is happy, they'll have a respectable run. 30 year old men crying about their ruined childhoods do not matter. It is entirely possible that this show will perform poorly for being too different, but again, it will be many kids' first experience with TMNT (i.e. key viewers will have no bias) & we haven't even seen a second of animation yet. Not to mention if the (promising) toyline does well, this'll stick around.



& there it is. Thinly veiled hate thread. You clearly don't understand how the industry works, either.

Hate? I don't hate anything about this new show. I have not seen it yet. Just asking a speculative question.