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There is something interesting to be teased out of the, "You are what you are when you're born," however.
The answer to that is just as much sociological as it is biological, and the amounts of each really depend on your personal take on the interplay between nurture vs nature. There are a whole lot of studies that show that we gender children long before their non-diaper covered bodies exhibit of the characteristics we associate with adult sexual dimorphism. Girl babies tend to be hand so that they're facing whoever is holding them, where as boy babies are held facing out. Girls are pretty, boys are strong. etc. We're not really allowed to be what we are when we're born, because from day one...and sometimes even before day one, we're being told who we are, and praised or punished for how we react to that telling. So with that in mind, when did you first truly feel and recognize your gender, and how do you define that gender? ie: when did you feel like a boy, and how do you define being a man?
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As a kid I thought a man was someone who spoke in a deep voice, made wise decisions, and had a kind of implicit authority (over himself and his surroundings, mostly, but sometimes others as well). Someone who keeps his promises and can defend himself, his family, and his friends. I was also raised in a very fundamentalist Christian environment by a single mother, so that whole "man is the head of his family" thing seemed somewhat contradictory, given my situation. I don't think about those sorts of things all that much anymore, to be honest. Many of the male authority figures I met through church were often henpecked by their wives or hypocritical/weak by failing to keep their promises to those around them or failing their faith (one pastor's son I looked up to back then was arrested for molesting an underage girl). No man lives up to those implicit cultural standards all the time. The motivation for and definition of "being a man" has to come from within, regardless of what is currently fashionable to society at large.
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I actually identify as an emperor overlord from the planet vespa.
Bow before me as we do our traditional rain dance to the sky demons.
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I'm a teacher. I see girls playing warriors and masculine roles all the time. They want to build robots and fight dragons and go on adventures. Why stop them? Worse, why pull them aside to remind that, while they are allowed to have fun, they have to remember they're still a girl? I can see that the idea of letting boys play dress up or girls handle power tools may be frightening to some people. It's none of their damn business, though. If a boy wants to be a fashion designer and girl wants to be a weight lifter, I say go for it. Quote:
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This is deciding that, if your 5 year old boy is watching Strawberry Shortcake, you don't change the ****ing channel to G.I. Joe. You just be happy that the kid is trying to figure out what he likes. Conversely, if your daughter asks for a playschool tool set or a science kit and you tell her that it's only for boys, you're doing it wrong. Notice that these are healthy areas to explore. If a kid is asking for a good crow bar or a six pack of Bud, any decent parent is going to shut that down. If a kid wants to a home tattoo kit, the answer should a hard "no" Quote:
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I'm totally OK with assisted suicide. I think the more people that want off this Earth, the better, at the current trajectory. I think there should be absolutely no barriers to this barring mental impairment to where they're not of sound mind.
I'm far less OK with parents doing social experiments on their children. Girls playing with boy toys, boys playing with girl toys... that's one thing (my daughter has bought things that could be construed as "boy toys" and I've allowed her to choose literally "boy shoes" at times). Letting 5 year-olds determine much more than which cereal they'd like in the morning, not so much. It's called stepping in and being a parent. When they're 18, they can do whatever they want.
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I wouldn't take their idea of human psychology very seriously. Also, I am pretty sure that those ideas of "two spirits" are actually quite different from modern idea of "gender identity". Of course, people with agenda will pretend that it is a prove of their position, but in reality it's just lame rewriting of history, which libbies often attribute to their ideological opponents. Quote:
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and for the record, I may not be much of one, but happily identifying as male. whether i am angry or not is in the eye of the beholder.
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By my logic that would make Vigita male.
Because I accept what people identify as, as their gender. And I would apologize for misgendering them. By the logic and admission of other people in this thread, Vegita would need to participate and an examination of both genotype and phenotype to prove that they are male. And until such time as that proof exists, then they are whatever sex and gender the other people say they are. One doesn't need to be an adherent of free thought, or particularly educated in either sociology, anthropology, or biology to be respectful and empathetic to those around them. But those do help. Also helpful, not conflating the status quo with normal with average.
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So, looks like Sumac is once again doing that thing.
Can't we just vote it off the island? I get that it doesn't know any better, and Vagene laughs at all it's jokes, but I don't think it contributes to a better user experience as a whole. I'm still pretty sure the hostile responses come from some repressed emotions. We could try and talk that out. Help it to heal. If it did that, it might be confused with human, for showing empathy. That would be quite out of character. |
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Hey, now! I'm an angry white cis-male, and I don't sound or read anything like that.
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