Marvel: "Dead No More"

[ZariusTwo]

Just read the FCBD Dead No More prelude, nothing much to write home about, Slott's writing Gwen like she were a generic henchwoman of the man in red that's been making cameos in the current volume of ASM. I joked she and him were the new Rita Repulsa and Lord Zedd.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There were a lot of contributing factors to Gwen's death. Hell, the original plan at the time wasn't even to kill Gwen, but Aunt May. It was John Romita that suggested they bump someone else off.

At the time, Stan was intending to marry Peter off to Gwen, but the creative teams weren't keen on the idea, and believed Mary Jane was a more viable candidate for a love interest. Stan gave his blessing to kill her off to make Spidey comics more interesting. It was due to the backlash over Gwen's death that we got the first Clone Saga as a compromise, which did'nt amount to anything other than allow Peter to choose MJ over Gwen. Later, Stan and Jim Shooter made the decision to marry Peter off to MJ, which led to 20 years of problems on the end of the Spider-Offices, but 20 glorious years for fans (well, ok, 1999-2001 sucked for marriage fans, but everything up to 2007, was pretty rosey, and there was also the Spider-Girl books from 1998-2010 providing great stability for the pair as well as a lasting legacy)

Unfortunately, we live in an age now where most of the fans running the title and newcomer fans are die-hard Gwen fanboys, that's evident with the over saturation of the character in the market with the insane Gwen variants where she's the Hulk, or Doctor Strange, or Gwenpool, or even Brian Micheal Bendis (I s*it you not, there's a "Brian Micheal Gwendis" variant), you add in the impact of Emma Stone's performance as Gwen in the ASM movies and the Spider-Gwen title and suddenly there's an awful lot of demand for the wrongs of the 70s to be righted and for Peter's "one twu luv" to be re-established, especially now that Marvel have phased out Peter's relationship with MJ pretty much completely vis devil magic and OOC writing (although the newspaper strip has remained pretty defiant so far and has kept the two married for 29 years)

uhg! this is depressing!!!

oh well! i used to really like Spider-man comics once upon a time!

"face it tiger. you just hit a brick wall."

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by myconius

"face it tiger. you just hit a brick wall."

The number of times that's actually happened to the newspaper strip version of Spider-Man is staggering.

[ZariusTwo]

http://www.newsarama.com/29734-what-...d-no-more.html

"Everything you've been told is wrong..."

[Galactus]

The latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man shows some things which I would argue definitely bait the end of One More Day.

Will they actually do it? Probably not but I definitely think they want fans to think that's were Dead No More is heading.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man shows some things which I would argue definitely bait the end of One More Day.

Will they actually do it? Probably not but I definitely think they want fans to think that's were Dead No More is heading.

I agree, they're having a ball making it out like they'll reverse it ten years later (Mephisto even showed up in Spider-Man/Deadpool and told Peter he was responsible for his "ultimate fall"), but I don't think they will, or if they do, it won't lead to a total reversal of OMD seeing as they're still writing MJ pretty badly and she's still giving Peter an uncharacteristic cold shoulder for the events of Superior. On top of that, Bendis still has plans for her in Iron Man.

It's funny, because in this issue she's criticising Peter for having a secret i.d, but in the newspaper strip yesterday she was impressed that he kept a secret I.D under pressure. Of course, in the strip she and Peter are still married and loyal to each other so acting in-character there is no surprise.


I can see Peter finally letting go of Aunt May, and acknowledging that maybe the deal for Mephisto was for nothing.

Another rumor I've heard is that they are going to reveal Gwen Stacy never actually died (nor did she sleep with Norman Osborn)

[ZariusTwo]

It's another Clone Saga

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ar...aking_bulletin

[Spike Spiegel]

Everything '90s is new again...

[ZariusTwo]

CBR have another OMD article up, trying to connect the dots between Spider-Man/Deadpool, and the events of Power Play in Amazing Spider-Man thus far.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ar...ing-spider-man

Comic Book Legends: Clone Saga Special

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...-revealed-580/

[ZariusTwo]

So while Power Play ends with more b.s keeping Peter and MJ apart (with MJ's latest excuse now being "Peter spent too much time in the costume", not "superheroics ruined my life"), there were a couple of interesting things to point out

1. While battling Regent, MJ and Peter become vaguely aware of the events of 2015's pro-marriage story Renew Your Vows, where they also fought Regent alongside their daughter. This should not make sense because those versions of Peter and MJ were from another reality that was assimilated into Battleworld, with 616 MJ destroyed in an incursion and 616 Peter a life raft survivor...so either Peter and MJ can "sense" other versions of themselves, or both 616 and RYV versions merged. If the latter is true, what became of Annie May?

2. Turns out Jay Jameson is coughing up blood and not May, I presume he's the one to die in The Clone Conspiracy (probably in the annual), prompting Uncle Ben back into a grieving May's life.

[ZariusTwo]

Clone Conspiracy Checklist



There will also be a special back-up story in the first issue of Clone Conspiracy illustrated by Spider-Girl's Ron Frenz

Lowe announced that in “The Clone Conspiracy” #1 there will be a special back-up story starring Gwen Stacy. “You are going to see a back-up story drawn by legendary Spider-Man artist Ron Frenz, that is going to re-open a big part of Spider-Man’s history,” Slott disclosed. “It’ll show you something that’s been hinted at, but never seen before. And it’s a lot about Gwen.”

I'm calling it, the real Gwen never died did she? The one that died/had Norman's kids was a clone wasn't she?

Another question from Newsarama: Is there anyone in Spider-Man’s life that he may not realize is already a clone? “Maaaaybe,” Slott said, deliberately evasively.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Can we just call this Send In the Clones? How many do we HAVE now?

[ZariusTwo]

The FOX Spider-Man series finale had the best title: "I really hate Clones"

Ron Frenz confirmed on SG's message boards that Sins Past isn't referenced in the plot outline he was given for his back-up story, and if it had, he wouldn't have illustrated it.

[ZariusTwo]

Clone Conspiracy is underperforming in orders, which has forced Dan Slott to start begging retailers, as well as actually acknowledge Marvel are at fault for the way they marketed it

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/...ne-conspiracy/

(Far likelier reason? Retailers saw the word "clone" and scampered up the hills)

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Clone Conspiracy is underperforming in orders, which has forced Dan Slott to start begging retailers, as well as actually acknowledge Marvel are at fault for the way they marketed it

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/...ne-conspiracy/

(Far likelier reason? Retailers saw the word "clone" and scampered up the hills)

I don't quite get Slott's beef. Don't the stores order based on supply and demand? If they're not ordering that much, wouldn't it suggest that maybe they don't need to stock that many of these comics, not that they misunderstand that Clone Conspiracy is ASM under a different name? Interesting that he assumes that they're "under-ordering" because they don't understand what he's doing, not that the comic(s) may not be selling that well.

(Has there ever been a good Clone Saga? Besides the Ultimate one? I though Slott said he chose to write his own Clone installment on the grounds that taking an awful story and letting readers wonder how you could pull it off was one way to write a good -- or at least selling -- comic.)

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

(Has there ever been a good Clone Saga? Besides the Ultimate one? I though Slott said he chose to write his own Clone installment on the grounds that taking an awful story and letting readers wonder how you could pull it off was one way to write a good -- or at least selling -- comic.)

Spider-Girl had a Clone Saga near the end of it's run that wasn't that bad, and gave us a very underlooked addition to the Parker family in clone/symbiote "sister" April Parker, aka Mayhem.

The 2009 remake of the Clone Saga is also pretty fun, taking the best parts of the 90s Clone Saga and cutting out the filler and nonsenical parts.. Virtually nobody that was killed in the 90s Saga dies in it, and it has a much better reason why a certain character comes back from the dead.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spider-Girl had a Clone Saga near the end of it's run that wasn't that bad, and gave us a very underlooked addition to the Parker family in clone/symbiote "sister" April Parker, aka Mayhem.

Huh.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The 2009 remake of the Clone Saga is also pretty fun, taking the best parts of the 90s Clone Saga and cutting out the filler and nonsenical parts.. Virtually nobody that was killed in the 90s Saga dies in it, and it has a much better reason why a certain character comes back from the dead.

I read that one once. One of those things I'd kinda like a copy of, but I'm not sure the current prices are worth it.

I forget, which dead character came back in it?

[ZariusTwo]

I have the entire 2009 CS story saved from browsing 4Chan for it one time, I can send you a copy if you want

Originally Posted by WebLurker

I forget, which dead character came back in it?

Harry

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I have the entire 2009 CS story saved from browsing 4Chan for it one time, I can send you a copy if you want

Would there be a legal issue, or anything?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Harry

Oh. I though the '09 CS assumed that he had faked his death.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Would there be a legal issue, or anything?

It'd just be a case of sharing the scans it via PM, but if you're uncomfortable, that's ok