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Not many kids liked him.
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Case in point, She-Ra (and the entire cast) was made into a teenager in the new series for this specific reason. Obviously the entire theory is full of holes and has been disproven repeatedly, but again, it's a line that the focus groups wholeheartedly buy into at the moment, and it's a factor in designing characters in kids' shows. Like, they can't even argue that they made April and Casey into kids "so they could tell more and different stories," because they didn't bother to follow through with that. It was 100% about "Kids relate better to Other Kids" and nothing else. Flawed theory, but I didn't write it.
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Zack wasn't there to be likable. He was mostly there to be a human sidekick of the Turtles who was the age of the target audience. So, in other words, he was there to represent the audience.
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Which is why it's a little ironic that despite their intentions he wasn't well liked. lol
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"I wanna be a ninja, I wanna be a mutant, I really identify with you guys so much I wanna be like you guys!" How many fanboys are actually like that?
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Zach claimed himself to be almost 14 in The Fifth Turtle, but I think he lied. He was probably something between 9–10.
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Too bad I hated him when I was a kid. Not to mention the name of the Episode was The FIFTH Turtle. At first, when I read that title, I was like "HOLY S***". I actually thought a new actual Turtle was joining the team... but all it was was a kid who was a huge TMNT fanboy. |
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Zack is pretty much there to be a stereotypical stand-in for any kid who wished they could hang out with the Turtles...or any superhero for that matter. I don't know if there is a way to really make the Zack likable really, even if they fleshed him out there would still be a kid hanging out with the turtles and getting into trouble because he's trying to help in their missions. Last edited by victory_angel; 03-22-2019 at 01:04 PM. |
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Creating a kid sidekick is a little bit of a different approach than de-aging an established popular character based on the mistaken impression that contemporary kids won't accept them unless they're a peer, though.
The reasoning is the same - "Give kids a character they can relate to" - but the "Why" and "How" are very different.
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Robin is technically the only kid sidekick concept that became popular, and it wasn't until decades after he was introduced. Old 40's-70's comics and Adam West Robin are hated to this day, it was really only during the 80's and onward that Robin became "cool" and that was because Dick became Nightwing.
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Would you care to enlighten as to why an unpopular character would stick around for 40 years? I mean, if Dick Grayson really was that hated, why make keep him around for both Batman and Teen Titans?
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03-22-2019, 04:47 PM | #55 |
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Batman comics themselves got incredibly silly and kid-like in that era, so he fit the time period. You would have to ask old people who grew up with the comics when they originally came out in the 40's-early 70's to see what they thought at the time. They were the target audience.
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To be fair, casting an actor who was clearly in their mid-20s AND writing him to be a whiny bitch didn't do the Robin concept any favors, as far as those two films are concerned.
I'm a huge Robin fan and I loved the costume they came up with for "Forever", but even I wanted to strangle Chris O'Donnell to death. The execution simply wasn't good.
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It was quite a show of realism in the New Teen Titans series which struck a chord with people, everybody has that coming of age moment.
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And then a year or so later, they retconned it so that he got fired from being Robin after The Joker shot him, and then Bruce replaced him with Jason 5 minutes later for no reason other than "Batman's A Huge Dick And Also A Hypocrite".
Good stuff.
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You would think Batman would've learned to either stop hiring Robins or to get rid of the Joker for good.
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But also a lot of other modern depictions of Robin were always popular. The Batman: TAS Robin who debuted in 1992 was always well liked. I remember even as a kid liking him instantly and wishing he showed up more since he doesn't even appear in most of the episodes.
Robin in the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon was also always very popular. I also like Robin in Young Justice. I think modern cartoons (and by that I mean from the 90's onward, Superfriends Robin was still mostly bad/lame/whatever), learned how to make Robin cool from the start. That's why you can have a 13 year old or whatever Dick Grayson in recent cartoons and people still find him cool. |
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