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02-01-2013, 03:14 PM | #62 | |
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First, good stuff: The spelling and formatting mistakes are not that big of a deal. Basically, having a good plot is the important thing. An experienced beta can always fix that stuff for you, and as long as people can tell what you intended, it's not much of an issue. I loved the ship-teasing between Irma and Donatello! It felt genuine, and they both felt very in-character, and since Don is my favorite turtle, it was nice to see his skills alone for a bit. I liked the scenes in the restaurant where Irma is seeing the future. It felt like something straight out of the cartoon! Stuff I didn't like: The sex jokes and toilet humor really irk me. It's that and one other thing that really stops me from liking the story. Now, a successful joke can be made out of pretty much anything, depending on the context. But I saw no reason for any of those jokes except for maybe when Vernon becomes Verna (apologies if I don't remember everything 100%, I read the story a week ago). To explain the problem, I'll borrow from one of my favorite writing guides, How Not to Write a Novel: While gross details have their place, they should not be relentless. Readers will generally find such descriptions repulsive. They will go on to find your characters repulsive, your book repulsive, and harbor strong suspicions about you. This is not the progression likely to end in a generous book advance. More importantly: A final note: despite what you learned in junior high school, gross things are not, in and of themselves, funny. The jokes you laughed at again and again in Farrelly Brothers movies work only in conjunction with actual comic material. You see, the problem is that the material you're working from, the OT, does not match in tone at all to those jokes. An occasional "getting crap past the radar" joke or double entendre could work, but I don't think what you are doing worked at all. Younger people find this stuff funny because they associate it with a rebellion against authority, but once they get older, they generally won't find it funny anymore. Now, when that happens is different for everybody, but generally older adults will not laugh at this stuff if it doesn't work in context. This is the second problem I have, which is it doesn't seem to have a good tone in general. It fluctuates between being like the OT, to darker, with more adult humor, for no good reason that I can tell. Now, most of your reviews have been positive, so not listening to me might not cause you any problems. But these things may be important for your future work. I know I'm being "that guy", and I'm usually waaay more mild-mannered, but I can tell that you are taking this seriously, and I really want to help. You are this close to being awesome. EDIT: It's fanfiction and you can do whatever you want. But using images from the OT, and saying that it "lives on" through your story gives fans a certain impression. Last edited by IcyKali; 02-01-2013 at 03:50 PM. |
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Thanks very much for this. If you go back to earlier in the thread you'll find I was called out on this sort of thing on the first story too, sadly I promised I'd behave myself on the next one and obviously I didnt...in fact, I think it got worse.
Mainly it comes down to a trap a lot of fanfic authors fall into...the urge to have what you loved as a kid grow with you, which would include incorporating elements of stuff found in formative adult years. Some authors can pull off the little jokes and hints subtley but I clearly am not a master of that. You're right, it IS fanfiction...it's like a boy being told to write up his homework, but he's aware he's off on summer vacation and the teacher isnt looking so he draws a picture of him pulling his pants down while still writing up a comprehensive essay on a figure in high society. There's no Govenon telling me to behave myself at a big animation studio, so I'm compelled to be cheeky. I probably need to discipline myself I appreciate the feedback and will watch myself with the third one...I might even take longer to write it just so I can find a way of moving things forward without falling into those same traps. |
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In fanfiction.net, I gave the specific examples but there were some moments that were: (1) descriptively creepy with the worm torture scene and using blood (since that was never shown in the OT, or at least not in such a torturous setting) (2) sexual humor that was too obvious in Ch. 8. Usually the double entendre is said where the other characters do not respond to it, at least not directly. I know in "April Gets In Dutch" Leonardo makes a joke about Shredder and his gang landing in a net of fishes saying "...they didn't do it for the hal-ib-ut" (hell of it ) and the other Turtles compliment him on making a joke, but the humor ended then and there. It wasn't explicitly brought up. Do you know what I mean ZariusTwo?? In the first story, I didn't mind the "size" joke because it was all implied (only the reader could figure it out) and Turtles didn't seem aware of it since it was about the pizza and none of the dialogue hinted that they "knew" how their conversation may be misinterpreted. (3) The disgust factor: The Rexington droppings and Rocksteady "cleaning" Shredder's shoes. I know there was garbage, sewer, and some toilet humor in the OT, but those two situations specifically were transitioning more in the realm of repulsive and feeling sorry for the characters experiencing it rather than witty humor. I don't want to be critical but those 3 things just abruptly halted the innocent flow of the OT tone at times before the more the lighter, funny character dialogue would move past it. One major strong point is the on-spot character depictions (mannerisms and dialogue). And as I wrote earlier in ff.net, I'm glad you explored more into an individual Turtle (Donatello) story and the relationship bond with Irma. It was a strong point of the OT itself when they showed the Turtles' lives outside of their fighting, which made it easier for the viewer to relate to them which sadly was pushed aside during the Red Sky Seasons. Just like IcyKali said, I'm a very laid back person and enjoy a full spectrum of very light to heavy darker themed versions of any Turtle series (I'm sure you noticed me fully enjoy Tony Day's darker OT themed "Turtle Turncoat" comic). It's just that you seemed very persistent on maintaining that light OT tone feeling. To be really honest, the rating would be more between K+ and T than simply K. Overall though it's really good! Last edited by Refractive Reflections; 02-01-2013 at 06:42 PM. |
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02-01-2013, 08:28 PM | #65 | |
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I agree with all the things that JLS said as well. Those were exactly the examples I was thinking of. Do you have a beta-reader? Things like this are exactly what editors are for! Many times, a professional writer will have a draft of a story, and there will be one scene (or one joke) that could throw the whole thing off balance. Generally, due to being so close to the work, and having put effort into creating everything, they won't be able to see it. Thus, an editor has to catch it. There's no shame in mistakes like this happening. My own fanfictions would have a bunch of problems in descriptions if I didn't have my beta around! ^_^ I'm sure everyone will understand if you want to take more time! Good stuff is worth waiting for. Last edited by IcyKali; 02-02-2013 at 12:07 AM. |
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Right...something a bit different this time around. I've decided to novelize the third episode before I write the script, as I feel I can improve a lot on the script by going with this format
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Oooh, cool. Can't wait to read it.
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Nice. I think most people just want to read a story rather than using it as a play, so that way's awesome.
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02-08-2013, 05:17 AM | #70 |
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Novelization of the third episode is complete. This one was a tad shorter than the others, but I'm not too fussed.
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Read and reviewed it. Good job, Zarius.
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..Heh, someone compared my third book's ending to Flowers for Algeron in the reviews on FF.net, sweet compliment.
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Sort of stumbled on it. Didnt make the connection 'till you brought it up.
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I really liked this episode/story because of the OT episode references and "breaking the 4th wall" moments with the reader because they make the story more engaged with the reader. Hmmm...as I reviewed in ff.net, are you sure you're not mind-reading my ideas of my fanfic??? LOL, just kidding. There's just so many things I enjoy about this: the OT episode references, "breaking the 4th wall", highlighting each Turtle's adventure with each episode/story, improvement on the subtle adult humor, the detailed fighting scenes (helps the reader, or at least me, imagine the fighting situation), the in-character dialogue, and Splinter's in-character advice. The paragraph structure was good too because instead of seeing repeated one lines over and over and over again, it gave the story some structure to appropriately designate one character's speech, emotions, and actions in one paragraph. (Otherwise the continual, unwarranted, new paragraph line each implies a new idea every time.) It's almost uncanny how this fanfic could almost come across as a script of the OT show as the reviewer "Brooke Thomas" pointed out. I know you mentioned that you like/prefer detailed reviews, I also hope you don't mind also the chapter by chapter review as well. I thought maybe it could provide a perspective of how the reader is interpreting it with each passing chapter. Extraordinary work ZariusTwo! **applause** And I also wanted to mention, as IcyKali pointed out, thank you tremendously for taking both of our reviews ("My Seer, My Secretary") so courteously, especially with some critical aspects of the story. (It's just that we wanted to help point out some things with the standards that you had set for yourself.) As IcyKali stated, it's rare for writers to do so because sometimes they ask for a more critical perspective but then get aggravated despite them asking for it. (Which therefore reflects your impressive maturity ZariusTwo. ) Here's an exaggerated analogy of how some other immature writers get aggravated: similarly to how you point out to a "friend" that they have a phlegm coming out of their nose, but they start getting upset with you, just because you told them despite it being for their own benefit. Last edited by Refractive Reflections; 02-10-2013 at 11:34 PM. |
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Started work on the fourth book.
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Short for "My Seer, My Secretary"
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Read the first chapter of your fourth book, Zarius. Great start so far.
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