Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost

[TurtleTitan97]

33 years after its cancellation, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo animated series will be getting a conclusion in an upcoming animated film:

[sdp]

Holy Sh-t! This has made my day, 13 ghosts of SD is my second favorite series probably. About ten years ago I ranted how those annual direct to video movies should do different things like maybe maybe one set int he time of A pup named SD and one to finish off the 13th ghost! It took a decade but they listened to me For those who don't care I once made a complete continuity timeline of all the SD shows, it was awesome but it's about ten years out of date.


So, this is set a few months after? Weird they mention that since flimflam is an adult. Reviving this series without Scrappy will be sad, he better be name dropped at least "Oh he went with his uncle Dum" or whatever. Weerd and Bogel should also be in the movie, even if it's a cameo! Oh yeah, SD is serious business.

[CyberCubed]

Holy crap, this is something 8 year old me always wanted!

[ranger_scout]

I know that some fans will be glad that this series is getting proper closure, but it's really strange how they are bringing back FlimFlam, who was just as unpopular as Scrappy, but Scrappy isn't returning.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, the neglect of Scrappy and the even likely refusal to acknowledge Daphne and Shaggy were living together in that series are turn-offs for me. Plus the gang shouldn't be too surprised at confronting "real" threats as the DTV movie franchise was once littered with them.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by sdp

Holy Sh-t! This has made my day, 13 ghosts of SD is my second favorite series probably. About ten years ago I ranted how those annual direct to video movies should do different things like maybe maybe one set int he time of A pup named SD and one to finish off the 13th ghost! It took a decade but they listened to me For those who don't care I once made a complete continuity timeline of all the SD shows, it was awesome but it's about ten years out of date.


So, this is set a few months after? Weird they mention that since flimflam is an adult. Reviving this series without Scrappy will be sad, he better be name dropped at least "Oh he went with his uncle Dum" or whatever. Weerd and Bogel should also be in the movie, even if it's a cameo! Oh yeah, SD is serious business.

I think I remember you making a thread about that

But anyway this movie doesn't look good at all..... I like the idea of them giving the series a proper ending, but this movie just looks bad. They should start out the movie by either telling the movie in a flash back or have the movie just started in the past with Shaggy and Daphne still being by themselves with Scooby and Scrappy and they could "Call" Freddy and Velma in for help to capture this last Ghost and this could explain how the gang gets back together!!!!

[oldmanwinters]

Well this was unexpected, but very welcome to me. I loved the series, the Vincent Price-love, and I wished it had received proper closure.

I figured that throw-away reference to the series in Mystery Incorporated would be the most attention the series would ever get. I'm just assuming WB will probably use it as yet another excuse to crap on Scrappy-Doo (Mystery Incorporated couldn't resist, even being vague). Hope I'm wrong, but even if that's the case, I think it should at least be enjoyable.

EDIT:
No Blu Ray option?

[CyberCubed]

Didn't even realize that was Flim Flam that little hispanic boy. Seems interesting, I hope the other characters get cameos. Nice to see a plothole tied up 33 years later.

Now if only they can make a movie finishing up the end of Pirates of Dark Water, then we'd be set.

[sdp]

Analyzing that trailer for continuity:

Daphne doesn't say she wasn't with Scooby, in fact the trailer implies she was with her "we trapped 12" and is even wearing a jump suit like in the 13 ghosts.

Freddy is shocked about ghosts but it's only implying he hasn't seen them not that he doesn't know. I'm still shocked about space travel but that doesn't mean I don't know it doesn't exist. Of course Velma does mess it up saying ghosts aren't real but has she even seen ghosts? She's seen real monsters for sure but maybe not ghosts but my memory is hazy.

The popular theory in the scooby fandom was that Vincent VanGhoul just erased their memory after the 13th ghost who was captured just never had an episode about it. I guess that could still be what happened only with the rest of the gang. This makes sense since they do mention it's been "months" which would mean this takes place in the pre Direct To Video films era before they broke up originally, hell them selling their stuff might just mean it's specifically set in that era perfectly. The main problem is flim flam who is now tall, then again, maybe he had a growth spurt, he could've been 12 in the show and is now 13 and tall.

As far as scrappy, he's too important, I don't think he'll appear in the movie but I do think he'll get a throw away line of him having gone back with Scooby-Dum or whatever.



My timeline Scooby timeline is outdated, my goal for 2019 will now have to be to catch up on the last ten years worth of scooby shows/movies to fit them all in one nice timeline, and see how I fix the god damn problem that Mystery Inc created

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Now if only they can make a movie finishing up the end of Pirates of Dark Water, then we'd be set.

This is getting a lot of attention so maybe revivals on previous Scooby incarnations might become a thing, A Pup Named Scooby Doo here we come!(no the puppet movie doesn't count)

Pirates of Dark Water is something WB doesn't even know what it is, if Swat Kats and other more popular cult shows can't get anything Pirates won't ;(

[ranger_scout]

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

Spoiler:

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

Spoiler:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

Spoiler:

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

Spoiler:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

That's always been the only way it makes sense to me when modern shows try to reference older material. Basically, it's like "some version of these events" happened in the new continuity. Haven't gotten around to seeing the movie yet, but even if they do play fast and loose with the vintage show's canon, I think I can enjoy it for being one possible take on the series from the perspective of the characters consistent with "Mystery Solving" philosophy. I've always thought if you go all-in on the supernatural elements of Scooby-Doo, then Velma's role is made almost irrelevant.

I do like the opening credits, with lots of specific references to old show episodes (Werewolf Daphne, the Bermuda Triangle ghost, Demondo and the comic, etc.):

[Leofan26]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

I did along time ago since in the 80s films to 90s they are clearly adults, in these films they are teens, than this popped up confusing us Scooby fans even more


As a stand alone film it would have been good, however they kept advertising it as a final conclusion to the 13 ghosts annoyingly so. I refuse to accept that ending as canon to the series, it also doesn't even make sense with what they faced in the series. Makes me wonder what the original crew would have done to end the series, why didn't Warner Brothers get those guys back to do this film? There still a live after all, I wonder if there ticked off about all this?

Let me right a review of the Scooby gang

Shaggy- Same as always, slightly braver was cool that he still knew to fly an airplane, glad these new writers remembered his character could do that. Just wish they brought in his red T-Shirt this time, why let Daph wear similar looking clothes to her 13 Ghosts outfit but not Shaggy? Oh well.

Scooby- Same.

Daph- Pretty bad Ass, she was pretty cool in the 13 Ghosts series but they did dial that up to 11 as I don't remember her acting that hard core.

Fred- He was hilerious here, it was fun seeing him be all useless for once.

Velma- Good flipping Mike was she annoying, easily the worse part of the film. Her ego was horrible to deal with, her refusal to accept ghosts and Deamons as real drove me nuts. I kept wanting someone to tie her up and gag her toss her into the river UGH!! Are the writers trying to make the fandom hate her character? They are doing a good, every review I've read has said the same thing about her.

Flim Flam- Enjoyed his character, was in character I just wish he had more interactions with Shaggy / Daph/ Scooby

Strike 1 for not even including Scrappy in the intro and having Velma forget about Scrappy. Even Scrappy haters are finding this running gag unfunny at this point. He should he been talked about in a positive way too, he was apart of the main crew after all

Loved the intro though and the animation was on point.

Over all, as a fan of the 13 Ghosts series I find it horrible and refuse to accept that ending apart of the series. It's easy to do too as the age differences mess things up.

I worry about the Zombie Island sequel, they messed up this I hate to see how they will ruin this classic film. Please no Daph/Fred romance plot, it was cute in the original Zombie Island but with these films they've hit us over the head with a frying pan with it, we get it you both like each other just get together already!! Please let them be a couple here, please!! You want something with romance to make reference to Zombie Island film fine, give Shaggy a romance subplot instead, I'm pretty sure that'd please the fandom.

FYI I didn't realize how many Scooby fans are on here besides me.

[newfan]

Oh, just checked, it's released on Monday here. I've always grabbed the new movies if I am out and spot them. I did pick up the series for this when this thread came up as I don't remember it much and thought my children could watch it.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leofan26

I worry about the Zombie Island sequel, they messed up this I hate to see how they will ruin this classic film. Please no Daph/Fred romance plot, it was cute in the original Zombie Island but with these films they've hit us over the head with a frying pan with it, we get it you both like each other just get together already!! .

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

Honestly, I think Fred and Velma would be a good fit. Because of 13th Ghost and the New Scoopy-Doo/Scrappy Doo Show (sharing the same vehicle and living in the same house), it just made sense that Daphne and Shaggy were a couple, even if they weren't showy about PDA.

[Leofan26]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

Hasn't Shaggy always been popular in the Scooby Doo fandom? In the older classics I heard he and Scooby we're always fan favorites while Fred and Velma had been the least favorites which is why they got nixed during the 80s series and films in the first place. That and Scrappy I guess was popular at the times and saved the Scooby series from dying the earlier years. So they thought keeping the three most popular characters while getting rid of the other three would get the series more ratings, or that's what I read in interviews.

I don't get the Shaggy memes going on right now though.

Don't know how popular Daph was, guess popular enough to brought back.

Surprised about Daph/ Shaggy rising popularity, the 13 Ghosts film coming back probaly helped with that. I used to support it when I was younger myself during the 80s episodes too when I watched them on VSH. Fans are likely tired of Warner Brothers shoving Daph/Fred down our throats, I know I am.