10-12-2017, 12:52 AM | #481 |
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Attractiveness and charm don't begin to describe Vader. From the opening shot of Star Wars, he's angry, sounds desperate, and is yelling at people. Something Anakin would do in the prequels. Darth Vader never came off like a leader type to me. He's just the Emperor's muscle. Though, I do agree that the last of what we saw of Anakin in Revenge of the Sith is a far cry from the character of Darth Vader that we see in the original trilogy. Putting on that suit at the end of RotS isn't enough to convince me that he's the same guy. His personality, motivations, and demeanor all changed drastically. That's why I feel like Darth Vader needs a solo film to fill in that 17 year gap and make it believable by showing us a younger Darth Vader just beginning to explore the dark side and struggle with moving on from Anakin Skywalker.
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Vader does have a small amount of dry wit to him ("I find your lack of faith disturbing"; "be careful not to choke on your ambitions") but this is usually as he's choking his officers to death, so I think it cancels out. |
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10-12-2017, 11:32 AM | #484 |
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There's a 17 year timeskip between Episode 3 and 4. Of course he can become a strong leader in 17 years.
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10-12-2017, 12:54 PM | #485 |
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I thought it was 19 years between Revenge of The Sith and A New Hope?
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10-12-2017, 01:08 PM | #486 |
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I guess it is, what is Luke's canon age in Episode 4?
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10-12-2017, 01:25 PM | #487 |
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One of the members said he was 19 when I asked previously. I'm also seeing 19 come up on the net but not sure of the accuracy.
We never really got to see much of him in what would be his Jedi prime either, it finished off with him just becoming a Jedi and then we get him retired Last edited by newfan; 10-12-2017 at 01:31 PM. |
10-12-2017, 02:53 PM | #488 |
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Possible Toy Spoiler? WTH?
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10-13-2017, 11:15 AM | #489 |
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I remember dialogue early in A New Hope that suggest that Uncle Owen kept Luke from leaving home at 18 to help him with a harvest season while Biggs Darklighter left to join the rebellion. Also, when explaining periods between films it usually places Episode III 19 years before Episode IV.
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10-13-2017, 01:55 PM | #490 |
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Well if it is 19 years then that means Darth Vader had been ruling for nearly 20 years before we saw him again.
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10-13-2017, 02:08 PM | #491 |
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I think that's where the prequels really faltered and messed things up big time, for the OT to make sense you would need to have been under the rule of the empire for so long. Vader should be in his 70s not 40 or whatever, same with Obi Wan and the fact that everyone seems to have forgotten who the Jedi are and only know the Empire as the only government.
If the President of the US can have a son when he's 60 why not the lord of the Sith? The only way people would defend this is by "things change quickly" in the Star Wars universe which we know is not true since Episode VII which is 30 years later hasn't changed a damn thing from Episode IV. |
10-13-2017, 02:19 PM | #492 |
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Yeah, the Jedi were like a legend... but only 19 years later and then again with Force Awakens, Rey thought Luke was just a legend, not sure what the time gap is between Jedi and there but still in his lifetime
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10-13-2017, 02:39 PM | #493 |
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I imagine the time gap was the same in real life. So from 1983 to 2015....that is a long time.
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Anakin was 9 in Episode I. He was 19 in Episode II. 22 in Episode III when he became Darth Vader . In Episode IV he was 41, Episode V he was 44, and 45 at the time of his death spending just over half of his life in the life-supporting cyber suit. I agree that the Empire only ruling for 23 years was too short for a huge impact yet how could Anakin's children have stopped the previous generation's tyranny if it was much longer? Palpitine himself was in his late 80s? I t's consulted any way you look at it and trying to pick through it just gives a headache.
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10-14-2017, 04:32 AM | #495 |
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It's about thirty years between Jedi and TFA.
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10-14-2017, 11:22 AM | #496 |
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And the TV spots have begun to crop up
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10-15-2017, 09:47 PM | #497 |
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I was thinking about Luke's line in the trailer, " It is time for the Jedi to end". Luke can be saying exactly what seemed odd about the prophecy of The Chosen One. To bring balance it does not mean Order 66 which tilts the scales to the Dark side not does it mean eradicating the Sith once and for all. Both sides thibk Anakin Skywalker is supposed to kill off the other side. However, it just tilts the scales to favor a aide. Why not end both the Sith and The Jedi Order making it balanced? If Force users continue what about a middle ground? I feel like Geoff Johns touched on this issue of The Jedi through how he portrayed The Guardians of The Universe as emotionally absent set in ancient reasons, going to extremes and inadvertently created half of its own enemies. Thoughts?
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10-21-2017, 06:09 PM | #498 |
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http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/s...-jedi-trailer/
Subtitles confirm key lines are being spoken to the reverse of whom one would think.
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10-21-2017, 06:59 PM | #499 |
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Have they killed Lando in any of the new EU?
I didn't care that he was not back for Ep.7 or 8 since we had Luke/Leia/Solo but now that time has passed who wouldn't love to see Lando appear in 8 as a cameo or having a role in 9? I was never a huge fan of Lando as a kid but I guess enough time has passed that all the right nostalgia strings are triggered, I saw a tribute video and I was like "man we need Lando in the new trilogy". |
10-21-2017, 08:22 PM | #500 |
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I think his actor said he wanted to be in the new films but he wasn't asked to come back, for whatever reason.
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