Question About Euro Season Animation

*pferreira* · 02-13-2019, 09:44 AM

Hi,

Was looking through some of the FW cartoon credits and checked the Euro vacation episodes to see the company behind these episodes. Up until this point due to reading about it somewhere I was under the impression Fred Wolf Films had a French branch of their company making these episodes. I was wrong. The episodes were animated it seems by Studio I.D.D.H. Is this common knowledge amongst fans and I'm stating the obvious or is this something you guys weren't aware of?

The other thing I wanted to bring up is this information that AKOM and TMS Entertainment animated certain episodes of the series, the well known being The Turtle Terminator and Turtles on Trial respectively. For the latter I see no credit for TMS in the credits of the episode. I mean if they worked on the show I would think the company would get some kind of credit. I wouldn't say Fred Wolf was above that considering Dai Won were credited for Season 7. For the former AKOM is not listed as doing the animation for that episode and was in fact done by Fred Wolf Dublin. So my question is where did this (mis)information that AKOM and TMS animated a couple of episodes, specifically those come from?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-13-2019, 10:24 AM

The Eifel Tower elevator had a sign labelled Ascenseur in Tower of Power. But the police car sign in the Netherlands was labelled Police and not Politie in April Get's in Dutch.

*pferreira* · 02-15-2019, 04:37 PM

So what does that have to do with my questions? Could you please clarify, not understanding you.

*Wesley* · 02-16-2019, 09:24 AM

I wasn’t aware of this. I never paid much attention to who animated what anyway but I figured some episodes were animated in Dublin alright. There’s some interesting information in the article below.

https://www.rte.ie/news/special-repo...ation-ireland/

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-16-2019, 10:09 AM

In some episodes, New York City traffic is seen moving to the left side of the road. That may indicate a mistake by producers in the Republic of Ireland.

*pferreira* · 02-17-2019, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley

I wasn’t aware of this. I never paid much attention to who animated what anyway but I figured some episodes were animated in Dublin alright. There’s some interesting information in the article below.

https://www.rte.ie/news/special-repo...ation-ireland/

Cool find, shame I can't play the videos attached. Yeah it seems some episodes during Season 3 and 4 were animated through Fred Wolf's Dublin branch. They definitely weren't the ones though to animate the Euro episodes as stated above. It appeared to be a co-op between Fred Wolf Films and Studio I.D.D.H.

I still can't work out why people think TMS worked on the show along with AKOM.

*pferreira* · 02-23-2019, 07:32 AM

Any ideas why people think TMS and AKOM worked on the show?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-23-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pferreira

Any ideas why people think TMS and AKOM worked on the show?

If you're talking about season 3, maybe no studio had time to produce all 47 episodes in time.

*pferreira* · 02-23-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

If you're talking about season 3, maybe no studio had time to produce all 47 episodes in time.

Well definitely Turtles on Trial doesn't have their credit. Unless it was another episode. I know some Season 3 episodes were animated by Fred Wolf Dublin.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-24-2019, 09:59 AM

I found a Washington Post article dated August 1990

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.cb6e0c619289

Here is the death of Jimmy Murakami in February 2014

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...stry-1.1708569

More here:

https://www.brownbagfilms.com/labs/e...classiccartoon

*pferreira* · 02-24-2019, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

I found a Washington Post article dated August 1990

Wow, good find but now I'm confused:

1) How many episodes were animated in Dublin? The article seems to suggest at least half of the show which is strange when you take into account how little credit the Dublin branch gets in the credits. Having said that I haven't checked all the episodes myself.

2) Another thing that I noticed is when it says South Korea animated a huge amount of episodes but unfortunately doesn't specific which studios. Either way they aren't credited. My only guess could be both these teams animated most of the show if not all of Seasons 3-6 (the ones we don't have company animation info on) and the varied animation styles were the result of A, B and C teams. I never considered that before as I never considered the Dublin branch a big studio therefore I thought that wouldn't be possible for them to have different teams.

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More here:

A couple of facts in that article are quite wrong. TMNT wasn't produced in 97/98 and the Euro episodes certainly didn't get produced the same time as Zorro.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-25-2019, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pferreira

A couple of facts in that article are quite wrong. TMNT wasn't produced in 97/98 and the Euro episodes certainly didn't get produced the same time as Zorro.

But it's true it was season 7 (but set during season 4)

Which Zorro do they mean of all these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorro_(disambiguation))

The 1981 one is from Filmation Studios, and the 1993 one is live-action

*pferreira* · 03-01-2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

But it's true it was season 4 (but set during season 4)

But the article makes out it was done the time of the published article.

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Which Zorro do they mean of all these?

Fred Wolf produced this cartoon series in 1997. Nice animation:

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 03-01-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pferreira

Nice animation:

I guess by 1997 animation technology in general had improved since 1993.

*pferreira* · 03-02-2019, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

I guess by 1997 animation technology in general had improved since 1993.

TMNT's Season 7 animation was still pretty good. I think the animation companies being used had got into their groove.

Would still be nice to have a log of which company animated what. If we go by the assumption that Fred Wolf Dublin had an A, B and C team then that's still just half of the episodes from Season 3-6. If the other half are from South Korea there's no way to identify which company worked on which.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 03-02-2019, 09:52 AM

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TMNT's Season 7 animation was still pretty good..

Animation in Vacation in Europe (1992) is also better than most ordinary season 4 episodes. Season 6 is also OK.

*pferreira* · 03-03-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Animation in Vacation in Europe (1992) is also better than most ordinary season 4 episodes.

Oh no no no, it was horrendous. It was on par with a lot of the worst animated episodes of Season 4. The difference between the Euro episodes and Season 7 episodes is huge. I can understand why as well as the Euro episodes happened before CBS picked up the show. The show was still in syndication with poor budgets with the Euro episodes animation sourced outside of Fred Wolf Films.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 03-03-2019, 04:48 PM

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Oh no no no, it was horrendous. It was on par with a lot of the worst animated episodes of Season 4. The difference between the Euro episodes and Season 7 episodes is huge. I can understand why as well as the Euro episodes happened before CBS picked up the show. The show was still in syndication with poor budgets with the Euro episodes animation sourced outside of Fred Wolf Films.

I personally liked the European Vacation alot more than the mainstream season 4 episodes for having a change of pace, but the animation itself left a lot to be desired.

*pferreira* · 03-03-2019, 05:25 PM

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I personally liked the European Vacation alot more than the mainstream season 4 episodes for having a change of pace, but the animation itself left a lot to be desired.

I agree. The alternate voices didn't help either. Nevertheless I get the impression Studio I.D.D.H took their work very seriously.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 03-04-2019, 11:18 AM

So, the French studio may explain why we have three episodes set in France (if you count the beginning of Turtles on the Orient Express).

02-13-2019, 09:44 AM	#1
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	Question About Euro Season Animation Hi, Was looking through some of the FW cartoon credits and checked the Euro vacation episodes to see the company behind these episodes. Up until this point due to reading about it somewhere I was under the impression Fred Wolf Films had a French branch of their company making these episodes. I was wrong. The episodes were animated it seems by Studio I.D.D.H. Is this common knowledge amongst fans and I'm stating the obvious or is this something you guys weren't aware of? The other thing I wanted to bring up is this information that AKOM and TMS Entertainment animated certain episodes of the series, the well known being The Turtle Terminator and Turtles on Trial respectively. For the latter I see no credit for TMS in the credits of the episode. I mean if they worked on the show I would think the company would get some kind of credit. I wouldn't say Fred Wolf was above that considering Dai Won were credited for Season 7. For the former AKOM is not listed as doing the animation for that episode and was in fact done by Fred Wolf Dublin. So my question is where did this (mis)information that AKOM and TMS animated a couple of episodes, specifically those come from?

02-16-2019, 09:24 AM	#4
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,589	I wasn’t aware of this. I never paid much attention to who animated what anyway but I figured some episodes were animated in Dublin alright. There’s some interesting information in the article below. https://www.rte.ie/news/special-repo...ation-ireland/ __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

02-24-2019, 09:59 AM	#10
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Washington Post I found a Washington Post article dated August 1990 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.cb6e0c619289 Here is the death of Jimmy Murakami in February 2014 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...stry-1.1708569 More here: https://www.brownbagfilms.com/labs/e...classiccartoon

03-04-2019, 11:18 AM	#20
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	France So, the French studio may explain why we have three episodes set in France (if you count the beginning of Turtles on the Orient Express).

02-13-2019, 10:24 AM	#2
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	The Eifel Tower elevator had a sign labelled Ascenseur in Tower of Power. But the police car sign in the Netherlands was labelled Police and not Politie in April Get's in Dutch.

02-15-2019, 04:37 PM	#3
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	So what does that have to do with my questions? Could you please clarify, not understanding you.

02-16-2019, 10:09 AM	#5
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	In some episodes, New York City traffic is seen moving to the left side of the road. That may indicate a mistake by producers in the Republic of Ireland.

02-23-2019, 07:32 AM	#7
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	Any ideas why people think TMS and AKOM worked on the show?