DC Relaunching AGAIN

[myconius]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

So many cool storylines came out of Babs' crippling, though.

#1. She became Oracle
#2. She formed the Birds of Prey
#3. Batgirl became a legacy identity, leading to Helena, Cassandra, and Stephanie

Gail Simone COULD have told some good stories, but they were mostly pretty gruesome and dark. I think that's a bad fit for Batgirl. And I HATE that DC made James Gordon Jr a villain (thanks a lot, Snyder). None of those storylines appeals to me OR were handled well. (Gordon vows revenge on Batgirl for killing a KNOWN killer? Please.)

Also, if DC had to give Babs her legs back, I wish that had been the first storyline and not something pretty much just handwaved and left unsaid. It happened, but it wasn't important enough to show us? I think that would have made an amazing first story arc.

PLUS, the New 52 was incredibly sexist when it came to the Batman supporting cast. ALL four Robins (Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian) survived to have all of their history more or less kept intact, but three of the four Batgirls were completely retconned out of existence and then brought back years later, with ALL of their histories erased? Helena, Cass, and Stephanie ALL deserved better.

the only Birds of Prey i ever read was the "Batman Reborn" era that had Hawk & Dove in the line-up at some point.
but i didn't find it very memorable or would want to ever read it again.
so i don't really miss her not being Oracle.
plus i also found Oracle's presence in the big events like 'No Man's Land' pretty unbelievable. realistically she would have been either killed or further injured? it took me right out of the story.

i agree about James Jr being ruined as a character! there was NO need to do that other than some 'Hot Shot' writer just trying to be edgy and gritty and make a name for himself.

New52 destroyed MANY characters besides just Helena, Cassandra, and Stephanie.
Tim Drake became a joke. he wasn't even a Robin. he became RED Robin as they gave him one of the worst origins in Teen Titans #0.
not to mention how bad they ruined Lobo, Darkseid, Superman, and one of the BIGGEST fails was Wally West.
they had to have Geoff Johns do one of his miracle Mary Sue Fan Fictions to magically pull a Wally West out of his $%&!!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by myconius

New52 destroyed MANY characters besides just Helena, Cassandra, and Stephanie.
Tim Drake became a joke. he wasn't even a Robin. he became RED Robin as they gave him one of the worst origins in Teen Titans #0.
not to mention how bad they ruined Lobo, Darkseid, Superman, and one of the BIGGEST fails was Wally West.
they had to have Geoff Johns do one of his miracle Mary Sue Fan Fictions to magically pull a Wally West out of his $%&!!

Yeah, Tim Drake was utterly terrible. And Wally West... not to mention all the other absent speedsters, though at least Jay Garrick has been teasted for a comeback.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah, Tim Drake was utterly terrible. And Wally West... not to mention all the other absent speedsters, though at least Jay Garrick has been teasted for a comeback.

i just really hope they do Jay Garrick proper justice, and don't pull one of their 'attention-seeking' reboots for him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by myconius

i just really hope they do Jay Garrick proper justice, and don't pull one of their 'attention-seeking' reboots for him.

Eh, Jay Garrick has never been my favorite speedster. But then, I didn't care about Flash until the CW show, so I'm by no means an authority on any speedsters who aren't Barry Allen.

[ZariusTwo]

Just had a peek at the solits for February

-Earth-2 ending.
-Dick's new girlfriend is an ex-criminal in Nightwing
-Babs now dating Penguin's son as part of her investigation, but she may actually start liking him for real
-The mystery of the new Clark Kent unravels as Action Comics builds to the event "Superman: Reborn"
-The JL face a new enemy that exists throughout all of time

[ZariusTwo]

Action Comics

-Big brawl issue. Superlex will f*ck up the future. Mystery Clark says Supes should let Lex die when he's abducted

Harley Quinn

-Ivy wants some space from Harley

Detective Comics

-Stephanie goes to therapy, and gets very annoyed..and becomes very annoying

Wonder Woman

-Doctor Sam Beckett never returned home

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The Flash:
Cool stuff. Evil Iris?

Detective Comics:
Hrmm. Tim Drake?

Wonder Woman:
I didn't even bother. Title has been dropped.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Action Comics

-Big brawl issue. Superlex will f*ck up the future. Mystery Clark says Supes should let Lex die when he's abducted

Harley Quinn

-Ivy wants some space from Harley

Detective Comics

-Stephanie goes to therapy, and gets very annoyed..and becomes very annoying

Wonder Woman

-Doctor Sam Beckett never returned home

That last one had me going "Whaa....?"

[ZariusTwo]

Mysteries may soon have answers

[ZariusTwo]

Batman Annual

Pretty meh. Bunch of unimpressive short stories. Harley story by Dini and Adams was nice (trying to get Bruce to sing along to Christmas jingles in the Batmobile), but other than that, pretty blah. Also Ace the Bathound is back.

Superman Annual

MUCH better. One whole story and it actually delivers on some answers while setting up more mysteries. Swamp Thing even ingests Clark at one point.

[ZariusTwo]

Spoiler for Batman#12

Spoiler:

We learn Bruce used to cut himself as a kid

F*ck King

[myconius]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Detective Comics:
Hrmm. Tim Drake?

pretty sure it was just a Mud-Room simulation?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

-Stephanie goes to therapy, and gets very annoyed..and becomes very annoying

yeah, she needs to grab her buddy Harper Row, and the two of them can ride off into the sunset together.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler for Batman#12

Spoiler:

We learn Bruce used to cut himself as a kid

F*ck King

i've given up reading that garbage.

it's amazing how many people have been lulled into thinking Tom King is actually a good comic writer.

i thought it might be that he was just a bad writer for Batman, but i tried reading the first issue of his Sheriff of Babylon and found absolutely nothing that made me want to read the next issue.

bunch of mindless sheep blindly following the hype train.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by myconius

i've given up reading that garbage.

it's amazing how many people have been lulled into thinking Tom King is actually a good comic writer.

i thought it might be that he was just a bad writer for Batman, but i tried reading the first issue of his Sheriff of Babylon and found absolutely nothing that made me want to read the next issue.

bunch of mindless sheep blindly following the hype train.

Yeah, I mean, I still love Vision, but King kind of fits more with Marvel because they're presently killjoy central. Rebirth is supposed to be more optimistic, but King keeps finding ways of subverting and deconstructing everything so much. Detective and All-Star are way better, both very dark in their own ways, but not entirely without humanity.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Yeah, I mean, I still love Vision, but King kind of fits more with Marvel because they're presently killjoy central. Rebirth is supposed to be more optimistic, but King keeps finding ways of subverting and deconstructing everything so much. Detective and All-Star are way better, both very dark in their own ways, but not entirely without humanity.

my biggest problem with his writing on Batman is it felt too much like he really doesn't understand the character.
he might try to toss in pointless nods to classic Batman stories or movies, but it doesn't feel genuine to me.
his attempts to pander feel more like fan fiction.

i just didn't find it very entertaining.

now Tomasi's writing on Superman, that's been extremely awesome!
he's been letting Pat Gleason share in the writing duties more.
i wonder if he's grooming him to take over writing for Superman once the 'Super Sons' series launches?

[ZariusTwo]

Batman
Splash pages everywhere as a love letter Bruce has written to Selina is read out and Bruce fights his way into Bane's dwelling, and kneels before him, Selina, and Psycho Pirate. That's..erm..basically it really.


Superman

Lois tries to get a job at her local paper (in addition to working at the Planet), but Frankenstein attacks her and the editor. Lois and the editor escape on Frankenstien's hover bike and Supes comes to their rescue. Eventually it's revealed the editor is actually someone called Krogg

[MikeandRaph87]

Wait...Bruce Wayne wrote a love letter? It does not zeem to be in character. On Gotham yes. Anywhere else no. What is going on with Bane and Catwoman? I havent really paid much attention to the re-relaunched Batman titles.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That Batman issue was SHITaki.

I'm done. That was it. Call me when we get to "I Am Bane", which will probably also be disappointing and filled with suck.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

That Batman issue was SHITaki.

I'm done. That was it. Call me when we get to "I Am Bane", which will probably also be disappointing and filled with suck.

You both piqued my interest. Summarize what is going on if you will.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

You both piqued my interest. Summarize what is going on if you will.

Okay, so Batman needs Psycho Pirate to fix Gotham Girl who is all emotionally/mentally screwed up. But Bane is holding PP in Santa Prisca, as Bane is now apparently using PP's psycho-influence instead of Venom. So Batman is invading Santa Prisca with his own little Suicide Squad to take back PP.

Catwoman was on death row for murdering 250+ terrorists (confirmed this is what she did, not a twist), Batman is rampaging and not being smart, and apparently he wrote Selina a sappy, wordy, verbiose love letter. I couldn't even read it, I just skimmed the last issue, saw that it is more of the same, and said "Bye Felicia."

Basically, Tom King is terrible at writing Batman.