02-21-2020, 02:27 PM | #1 |
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Dan DiDio OUT at DC Comics
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02-21-2020, 02:33 PM | #2 |
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WHAT? Wonder why? I am just glad he got the golden parachute. I HATE this guy as much as you HATE Geoff Johns! I finally got this after years!
Now lets hope JLI characters, Dick Grayson, and Barbara Gordon get better respect, and no more reboots every five years. *Looks at 5G*
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There is still the terrible possibility that they could swap in Geoff Johns, though...
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02-21-2020, 02:47 PM | #5 |
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So in 2020, what is the "in-universe" legacy of The New 52 experiment?
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Its just, why now? If its DC employees leaving in high numbers because of him, that happened at least twice before, around 2009 and then again in 2012.
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I don't want to get too excited because we don't know their next move. Whether it's giving it to Johns, Bendis, or just some random black, lesbian woman who believes there isn't enough social justice in DC comics to check all the right boxes... a lot can go awry in the days ahead.
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Oh I didn't know you had a thread about this - I just started one as well. My take on it is that it's not good news, given all of the circumstances surrounding what's been going on in the industry and with DC, their lost sales and the upcoming 5G thing that people are largely up in arms about.
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Stan Lee wrote hundreds of comics, created dozens of classic characters with staying power than inspired generations, and was a people person. Dan Didio had no comic industry experience, his first writing gig was canceled in six months, due to his TV production expeirence he moved it not editorial and made many bad decisions, upsets fans at conventions with his demeanor and is very disliked in the work place openly and secretly. There is no comparing those two. Not at all!
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I apologize for my overactive excitement at the news. I am always civil and thoughtful in my discussions and try to be positive. The hatred directed towards a person who I find polarizing and has off put me for years was uncalled for.
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You clearly have some angst towards DiDio. I'm not as vested in DC stuff. The closest true "vestment" for me is what I've thrown into my Green Lantern collection and that's only expensive once you get deep into the Silver Age. Anything else from DC for me is cherry picked - Jim Lee's Batman and Superman run, Frank Miller stuff. I'll buy DC books but I normally need the excuse of a helluva event or a truly high end creator on book. Their animated products put Marvel's to shame. |
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If Geoff is the trigger man ruining and retconning everything he touches and atrophying every series he writes with his own inane events, Didio is the guy who enabled him and protected him. He created him as we know him and, for a time, made him unstoppable.
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The reason I had such venom towards him is my investment in DC comics and the way he spoke to me and fans when I interacted with him at various panels at Heroes Con. Asking about the bait and switch of Dick and Barbara's engagement he told me, " I will keep them a part with the jaws of life while I am here.". Asked about after the success of Wally's run, could we see Wally active along side Barry or allow Wally be the premiere Flash? He laughed and suggested that I look forward to Barry being made as interesting as Wally.
Think of how controversial a female 5th Turtle is and how it bombed. Then think of how Jeinnka does not have much development and is bland with a round about way of mutating. Did I and many others raise hell? No we gave Tom, Kevin, and Bobby a chance and were open to it even if not something we want. It is like Andrew mentioned that sarcastic giggle at fans despense while some ideas could have been more acceptable even if unwanted if he approached fans better and considered what they want. Aside from three separate times there was openly an exodus largely because of Didio's policies several times over the years he was reportedly fired only for retraction later. https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11...ed-mark-doyle/
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This is all illustrated by some of the things he said, some of the philosophies about various marvel IP's I've heard him discuss, and a large degree of ultra-liberal-minded processes came out of his reign - and to be clear when I say liberal-minded, I'm not speaking politically. Even worse - I'm talking behaviorally - like no plan, super shapeless BS - the throw all **** at the wall and see what sticks attitude. So sure I have some appreciation for what you and MikeandRaph87 are getting at, I suppose. Quote:
Quesada had big opportunities with Quasar as well, but in an interview tore the character up completely warping that character's truth - instead of Wendell being a believer in life and energy who goes with the flow, Quesada minced the words into that the character "lacks the will to win" simply because he didn't like the character. Who knows why? Maybe because Quasar was a blue eyed, blond haired SHIELD agent and Quesada wanted anything that wasn't that wearing the Quantum Bands. So I get it, man. |
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Ethan Van Sciver apparently has inside intel that now -- and this isn't necessarily connected to Didio's departure -- if the 5G event fails (where all series end and begin a few years in the future with like a new, black Superman, yet another GL, etc.) then DC Comics itself will be shuttered. In terms of making monthly comics. That'll be that.
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01 DC has been in publishing trouble 02 AT&T has stated that they have "no sacred cows" in their portfolio. Most reasonable people here should understand what that means in relation to DC 03 The 5g initiative came along, pimped by Didio 04 there has been backlash to it 05 Didio is gone. So you can see why this is crazy. Because the directionality is not "they were going to do 5g, but now Didio is gone and if 5g fails then DC goes under". Instead it's 5g was in the works under DiDio to hopefully save DC, but no one believed in it and now he's gone before it even launched. Big difference. |
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Also, while I'm sure he probably pushed it out of a lack of idea and the knowledge that New52 DID (temporarily) spike sales, in history he HATES legacy characters. He made sure and undo all the Wally, Kyle type stuff. Nightwing would be long dead if he'd had his way (for years he had this strange obsession with killing him off).
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But New 52 seemed okay man. You know why? DC hadn't done a relaunch in a long time and it seemed like a legit way to dig into the books for the long haul, as opposed to Marvel who was already renumbering books every several months. And so, whereas it seemed like a gimmick at Marvel, New 52 did feel like a legit clean slate at DC. Then Rebirth cam along and I was never sure why they did it. I ordered the entire suite of #1 one shots from DCBS as a bundle and thought "I'll give DC a shot", but I didn't care about a single one of them. They are all filed away in my collection doing nothing. I thought the New 52 had actual merit. But anything after didn't mean much to me. And on that note - it was Joe Quesada who started the renumbering craze, by the way. He did under the guise that the years of continuity was a barrier to readers. But yet no one has ever fessed up to how the relaunches have made that barrier impossible. Even I have a hard time keeping track of what Iron Man volume is what nowadays, and I'm a bonafide, published "Iron Man Expert" lmao! DC at least held on to their core values longer, but this 5G thing is going to crash. People hated SJW Marvel and the market share tanked. If you ask me, my guess is that people are going to walk from DC in droves and not check it out in the first place. I also am guessing that DC will try to move Jim Lee up to publisher, but I'll be surprised if he wants to stay on the sinking ship, unless he has a clear vision for what to do. So 5G won't die with DiDio, but I do think that DC as we know might die with 5G. Seriously, I'm not catastrophising, but rather the signs for this are all there. Last edited by IMJ; 02-21-2020 at 09:19 PM. |
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Because N52 was a dumpster fire in the eyes of traditionalists, sales were in the toilet, and the characters were all unlikeable
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