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I was in the trenches also. Dan Slott and Steven Wacker ended up joining the CrawlSpace forums for a while when BND started to take questions and hype up the project, only to be met with a slew of angry fans who wouldn't stop needling them about OMD. Neither took it well at all and Slott slowly transformed into the public relations nightmare he continues to be on forums today.
Slott requested his membership on the forum be terminated (which it was), and he remained a fixture on CBR's threads, where he, I and others who agreed with me exchanged "pleasantries" from time to time. Wacker hung around the crawl space and actually started TROLLING people, he would up causing so much trouble for himself that the Crawl Space mods actually banned him. It was embarrassing. More from RYV |
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I find it really ironic that the most popular Spider-Man iterations seem to be the ones that actually focus on that relationship. RYV 1 got praise from everyone, including a lot of post-OMD fans. Ultimate Spider-Man (which granted, could only show Peter and MJ as high school sweethearts, albeit showing that they were going to be partners for the rest of their lives, confirmed in their final scene), was a hit throughout its entire run. Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane and Spider-Girl were critical successes. The marriage/relationship doesn't really seem to be the hobble we've been told it was. I don't think Slott is the best writer for the franchise and tends to cyberbully people, but I do think that some fans cross the line when interacting with him and treat him in ways no one deserves. At worst, Slott's a mediocre Spider-Man writer in a dark era for the comic who's immature online. |
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I sort of see RYV as being potentially this decade's equivalent of what MC2 was to 616. MC2 had the same history as 616 up to a specific point in the 90s, then it did it's own thing. 616 has occasionally borrowed elements from MC2 since then, and I don't just mean utlizing a version of Mayday for Spider-Verse. Quote:
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But, high school is a very entertaining setting, and I frankly think that having a mix of types of Spider-Man stories (teenager, adult, family man) is best, since they each have unique elements that make the stories fun for different reasons. Quote:
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Speaking of Spider-Man marriage boosts, I thought it was odd that Secret Wars seemed to do a 180 on Marvel's dislike of the Peter/MJ relationship. Not only did ASM do the RYV series as a very respectful take on the marriage (and also winding up as a strong argument against OMD period), but the Civil War comic also had Peter and MJ as a married couple (with another daughter character). While MJ and the daughter were not in the story much, Peter having a family was depicted as a positive thing. Even some of the alternative covers got in on the action. Online, I saw that Secret Wars #1 had options with MJ and Annie watching Peter in action and another showing Peter and MJ having a romantic moment in the corner of an "end of the world party." The second issue had the lovebirds in a scene that seemed to be a mashup of MJ's first appearance at that blind date and the final scene of Spider-Man 2. Always thought it odd they went those routes, given how much time they spent trying to distance themselves from the marriage. I did not know that. That is low. |
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I'd have included Spider-Girl in this as well because Spider-Verse told me twelve years of investment in Peter there didn't matter because he'd die a petty death, but DeFalco stepped in and hinted the real Mayday's universe wasn't affected, so yay. For some millennial kids, post-OMD Spidey is all they know, their window into his world, and to suddenly decree he doesn't matter...that they don't matter...yeesh. Just stomp on all the toys while you're at it. I for one loved the Clone Saga as a kid regardless of what it tried to tell me about Spider-Man, but it didn't take up ten years of my time and I kind of snuck a peek at the ending before I got to the point Peter was "revealed" as the clone and Ben the "real" one. The only downer was them losing the baby, but Spider-Girl very quickly came about and told me everything was alright. Spider-Girl only took two and a half years to happen. Renew Your Vows took eight. |
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[QUOTE=ZariusTwo;1624465]The hype is subdued because Marvel haven't been talking about it. Not even Conway's been talking about it. The only person promoting the damn thing besides some die-hard fans is the artist.
It is not coming out until November, so I guess it makes some sense that Marvel would be focusing on publicizing material coming out now and next month -- although you'd think they'd be trying more hype in hopes of maximizing sales. (I could be wrong about this, but it seems like RYV 2 has gotten some positive reception, whereas I'm not sure I've seen that much excitement over the main "Cone Conspiracy" story -- although I will concede I haven't been looking for it). Quote:
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Just when I said there wasn't any marketing from Marvel...look what we got today
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Nice to hear that they've got a plan for an overall story (or first story arc) beyond "let's just revisit this popular comic and wing it." Was a little surprised to hear that Annie's still eight, since she looks older than she was in the original comic, and she was just eight there, too. The looser approach to RYV 1 continuity (and continuity in general) sounds okay, even if an exploration of the post-Regent world in the original comic would've been interesting (hopefully means that classic villains that Regent would've wiped out are around for the fun). |
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If they do appear, they may be given makeovers, considering they're giving Mole Man an altered look, but then the classic villains that appeared in the original RYV series looked pretty much the same.
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Well, both Green Goblin and Doc Ock have had histories of being behind-the-scenes masterminds, but are also super obvious. (Given that some of the 616 comics have insinuated that Norman Osborn hates both Peter and Mary Jane for their perceived roles in his son's downfall and death, it would be interesting to see how he interacts, now that they have a child of their own, but I'm not sure they should pull the Goblin in right away, as he's used so much in the franchise.) Kingpin could be interesting, although I get the impression that he's not as interested in power in the supers community. I want to see Mysterio somewhere down the line, but I don't know if he's big cheese material. Venom would be very interesting guest-star, too, esp. because of the role he played in the original RYV series, but he seems to prefer working alone, so I doubt he's the secret villain. I kind of wonder of Hobgoblin would be a good choice for the mastermind. He's got the means to do it and the ambition, but would be a less predictable choice than Green Goblin or Ock. Of course, given that Mole-Man is appearing, it could very well be a non-Spider-Man villain, but I'm having trouble thinking of a likely possibility. What do you think? |
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I wouldn't mind Chameleon actually, since he had a lot of potential after discovering Peter's identity in the late 90s/2000s that wasn't quite realised (the story where he finds out is one of the best of the post-Clone Saga era and you should read it if you haven't), he never did recover as a character from the beating MJ gave him with a baseball bat
BTW, Conway confirmed on Twitter to a fan that Regent did'nt kill the Avengers or X-Men in this universe, so yeah, it's looking that this is definitely a universe where everything from 1962-2007 happened and then it does it's own thing, borrowing elements from the last decade or so to fit the story.
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I went by the LCS yesterday and and swapped out ASM in favor of Renew Your Vows. What is the current release date? Reading through the mastermind comments have me eager to read.
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No specific date set yet, but it will be out in November
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Thanks for finding the date. The day after the dreadful Election Day.
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Then again, when promoting the first series, Nick Lowe said everything up to BND happened and it was evidently a completely different sort of story and setting. There's mention that certain other events in 616 afterwards occurred differently...how much of that is unknown, but perhaps there was no "Original Sin" and thus no discovery of Cindy Moon/Silk? Assuming Cindy existed at all in this reality. They would have to skirt past the issues with the horny phermone attraction the two had in 616. Quote:
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However, if they want to keep the secret identity thing in check (which seems possible, given that the Parkers seem to be living without the fame or infamy that would come from being a publicly known superhero, based on what we've seen), the simplest explanation would be assume that Peter never unmasked in Civil War and that his aunt died for other reasons, if she's not in the picture. I don't know for sure, but since they're feeling free to reimagine the villains, is it possible that this includes events in the past? The description they provided of how stuff ties to 616 seemed vague enough I couldn't tell if they were stating that everything that happened in pre-OMD happened exactly as written, of if they were generalizing when saying that RYV replaces "Brand New Day." Quote:
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Heh, I remember that issue. Boy she whacked him GOOD. And then there was that issue when Aunt May defeated him with- cookies..... Poor guy probably has severe mental scars from those defeats.
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Chameleon knew Spider-Man's identity? I thought only the big three villains ever knew at some point before Civil War.
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I don't know what happened to him in between, but the next time I read about him, we were in the middle of the horrible post-1999 era, though his next appearance was one of the better stories. Chameleon went through a period of mental instability after that, becoming even suicidal at one point. |
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