What do you want to see in the third film?

[Shellington]

Let's talk about what we want to see in this proposed reboot. I'd like:
- a smaller, more crime-oriented (Mirage-inspired) focus, after all the Foot Clan are yakuza
- Baxter Stockman developing cyborg armor or fly mutations (maybe both)
- Hamato Yoshi appearing, either as Splinter's master or Splinter himself

That's all I got for now.

[Andrew NDB]

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."

And wow. Crazy to think there will have been 7 movies by the time if/when this comes out. 7 TMNT movies. 6 mostly bad. 1 pretty OK.

[neatoman]

What do I want? Shucks, it'd be easier to list what I don't want.

I Don't want:

1. April as a reporter, most people need to let go of that notion.
2. Giant Turtles with super strength, because the mutant turtle angle doesn't require it.
3. Pizza Jokes, since they're not funny, never were, never will be.
4. Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady, they're not interesting and they usually come across as annoying.
5. Humans mutating into animals, which is pointless and makes things more confusing even in the case of Splinter, no matter how you try to justify it.

Those are things I'd be happy if they ignored. Trying to figure what I'd actually want is trickier but it boils down to one of two things.
A) Adapt what actually worked rather than bait nostalgia.
B) Go back to the basic concept and rethink it.

Which to me basically means "A Mirage story restructured to fit a cinematic narrative" or "IDW's ideas in a new story that's less dense" or "Let some creative person read som TMNT comics and go nuts". Besides, TMNT as a concept isn't that hard to wrap your head around. Daredevil+X-Men+Animals=TMNT.

Maybe I come back with something more specific, but being vague here is the point. Unless you're heading the project yourself, you shouldn't want anything too specific, that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."

And wow. Crazy to think there will have been 7 movies by the time if/when this comes out. 7 TMNT movies. 6 mostly bad. 1 pretty OK.

Well it is under the “Platinum Dunes” section of the board and it would be the third film from them.

It’s crazy the amount of bad luck we’ve had with tmnt films. Following the production of TMNT films, then winding up disappointed has been a constant in my life. Sure, I’m partially to blame for my own expectations, but that’s a harsh view of the situation.

And I’ll be following this one too, with optimism, for now. Statistically, we have to be in for something better than the last five or six.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."

Yeah, can we maybe discuss the actual topic and not nitpick what we're calling the third TMNT film project by PD. It's not like Shellington called is a "sequel" or anything. Calling it "the third" doesn't change what it will or won't be.



That said, honestly, I think PD would probably be best served and safer just to come up with an entirely original story of their own. One that is actually GOOD. Skip the dumb elements or boring things like fart jokes and evil businessmen (aka Eric Sacks). At least make new human villains more interesting than that... (Eric wasn't even a real threat to the Turtles, beyond draining their blood, just a threat to the city, but then never an actual threat at all. They never even directly interacted with him other than Leo speaking two words to him while captured.)


I'm kind of tired of repeating the same things over and over, and even more-so of having to go twisting those things up to try to make them new again. I'd be completely okay with an original tale of other events in the lives of preferably older Turtles; because most versions have not touched on their adult years, or just barely, and there is so much open ground to create something original...that still suits them. It would be a much safer bet for PD.

But it HAS to be a good, complete, in depth story, with heart and meaning and all that, so it can stand on its own as something that can draw an audience without having to rely on nostalgia to get cheap interest. I mean look how good Guardians of the Galaxy turned out; it drew a wide audience of both people who were familiar and those who were not, as well as those into comic book films and those who aren't so interested, because it was a fun, well done adventure. Take a script that good and there's no reason the Turtles can't pull it off if the film makers are willing to treat them as people and heroes rather than "talking animals" they have to make a joke out of. The story of OotS had a lot more potential, but they cut it off at the knees by simplifying it and focusing on the wrong aspects of the overall story. (Like turning it into a scavenger hunt for alien portal parts rather than the, albeit overdone, alien attack on Earth theme.)



Don't reboot from the origin... PD can't handle it and personally I feel no desire to see it from them. (I'll go pop in 1990 if I wanna see that retelling.) Time jump and lets just cover new ground. (Like to their 20s, not a future century.)

I'm a little tired of alien themes at the moment, but if you want to use existing characters from canon and make Krang an actual threat or try out the Triceratons... Eh, why not. Though I still say grab those weird would-be turtle-like alien designs and make them foes for our boys to tangle with.

And remember, the Turtles don't have powers. Under a different exterior they're just a bunch of normal guys just trying to do the best they can in life with the cards they are dealt, just like the rest of us. They didn't even ask to be heroes, but it's a fate that found them.

[Andrew NDB]

There is every reason to believe if any lessons are learned by TPTB after the last couple of "films"... it will be the wrong ones.

i.e., like... "we went too edgy with the last two! We need to play things for an even younger audience!" "Too little Fred Wolf! We need to double down on camp and Bebop!" "We didn't individualize the Turtles enough... we need more accessories!"

[IndigoErth]

Possible, which is a shame.

On the other hand, I hope the new writer will be able to view it from a better perspective since he wasn't involved the last two times and will consider what worked and what didn't. If he's willing to research and lurk around he's probably, hopefully, got no reason to dig in his heals against criticism of the last two films, and I hope able to recognize those previous guys' dumb decisions for what they were. (And the bits that did work okay according to viewers)

I recommend he watch both of those films several times and lurk around online and read up a lot on what the internet had to say.


Individualize the Turtles largely via their personalities, please. I kind of prefer them looking a little different from each other and having their own style, but keep it uncluttered. If they're still in pants, fine, but keep the rest to necessities. They don't need to be taking unnecessary junk with them when they're 'on the job.' Use it or lose it leave it home.



And please... no blue door. Do not do to them what that script did in the end or disconnected them from being fellow Earthlings.

[ranger_scout]

If I were the casting directors, here's who I'd want to play the turtles:

• Ansel Elgort as Leonardo
• Alden Ehrenreich as Raphael
• Jeremy Shada as Michelangelo
• Logan Lerman as Donatello

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

If I were the casting directors, here's who I'd want to play the turtles:

Here's who I'd want, both for in the suits/mo-cap and the voices:

* Don't care.
* Doesn't matter.
* Could be anybody.
* Hopefully 5'2" - 5'4" people.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Here's who I'd want, both for in the suits/mo-cap and the voices:

* Don't care.
* Doesn't matter.
* Could be anybody.
* Hopefully 5'2" - 5'4" people.

I want to see a filmmaker use the same techniques from The Hobbit trilogy... film the four Turtle actors by themselves, then merge them in with the rest of the people. Then you don't have to worry about the actors' height, you just make the Turtles come out at 4' or 5' tall in post.

It worked for Bilbo and Gollum.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I want to see a filmmaker use the same techniques from The Hobbit trilogy... film the four Turtle actors by themselves, then merge them in with the rest of the people. Then you don't have to worry about the actors' height, you just make the Turtles come out at 4' or 5' tall in post.

It worked for Bilbo and Gollum.

Yeah. It's not really an issue on the back end.

[MikeandRaph87]

It needs The Shredder. I don't want to see a made for movie villain. It automatically lessens the movie. A part of the film is "who is the villain going to be?". A cowardly warlord and a arrogant British arms dealer then an immortal with a wrapped vision who reforms.? No thanks!

Perhaps Rat King incorporated one way or anther.

Designs similar to the first three films for the TMNT.


Find a way of incorporating the black and white comics and the 1987 cartoon in ways that make sense. The original film did that. The second did as well to a lesser extent.

[AquaParade]

Right now, I'm really hoping someone gets a good sit down interview with Kevin Eastman soon.
Once again, I know he has no control over how the upcoming film turns out, but I bet he's heard more than we have about it.
And sure, his word isn't always the most reliable when it comes to TMNT - he's a big supporter of anyone trying to honor his creation - but you can see some disappointment in his face when people bring up the recent Platinum Dunes films, so I'd like to hear his take on whatever may be coming next.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Right now, I'm really hoping someone gets a good sit down interview with Kevin Eastman soon.
Once again, I know he has no control over how the upcoming film turns out, but I bet he's heard more than we have about it.
And sure, his word isn't always the most reliable when it comes to TMNT - he's a big supporter of anyone trying to honor his creation - but you can see some disappointment in his face when people bring up the recent Platinum Dunes films

That's surprising. Kevin Eastman has gone on the record and said the PD movies possess "the darker edge of the comic books."

http://www.thenational.ae/blogs/scen...-kevin-eastman

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's surprising. Kevin Eastman has gone on the record and said the PD movies possess "the darker edge of the comic books."

http://www.thenational.ae/blogs/scen...-kevin-eastman

Yeah, you're right, but that was three years ago. Take a look at my quote from the other thread, if you get a chance. He's definitely backed the PD films in the past, but I think he's seen the reaction over time and it may have colored his perception a bit. In the second link, Kevin is asked by a child if he enjoys the new PD films, which he essentially avoids answering, giving only the slightest nod to the second film, in favor of saying what he'd like to see next.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz0dP_7DB84

Wow. Just the other day, Kevin mentioned that early in the production of the 2014 film, they had talks with Henson about going back to the suits. Very interesting. To hear, go about six minutes in.

It's hard to understand, but it almost seems like he implies that suits, or at least a strong focus on family "with an edge" could be a path for the future. It's possible Kevin knows something we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRu508pdIM

Here's another recent video. A child interviewing Kevin asks if he enjoys the new tmnt movies. Pretty funny. Kevin responds that if they were to do a new one, he'd like it to be animated but more like the old movies and/or comics. Very interesting. We know Kevin isn't in control of these films, but given that he was consulted early on in the 2014 film, as evidenced by him mentioning they spoke to Brian Henson, in the previous video I posted, it's very possible he's alluding to some of the discussions going on behind the scenes, in both videos.

If so (and it's a big "if"), it appears the studio is searching for a way get some of that "edge" back, but still bring the whole family to the theater.

[CyberCubed]

No noses or nostrils of any kind.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I would like to see:

1. The film continue the story of the first two films rather than be a reboot

2. Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and Baxter all making a re-appearance.

3. A time travel story to Ancient Japan.

4. The introduction of Hamato Yoshi and the history of the Foot Clan into the lore.

5. Slighty tweaked turtle designs so they are less hulk looking.

6. Not having too many characters. B , R and Krang are ok in my opinion, but Karai, Vernon and Casey weren't needed as much in OOTS so I don't expect to see them again.

7. Less Potty and sexual humour and more OT humour, namely some Shredder-Krang interactions, puns, fourth wall breaks, B and R goofing up etc.

8. Possibly an inside look into Dimension X, might be difficult if the third is a time travel story and might have to be one or the other, but maybe both could work somehow.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

fourth wall breaks

I don't want them going too far with the FW stuff, as it could end up looking forced and inauthentic if they're trying too hard, but I'd be all over that if it was one (or more) of the Turtles actually commenting something to viewers. Or at the very least, a slightly frustrated Leo, dealing with brothers who ran off without listening to him, just looks at the camera for a second, shaking his head.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

The film continue the story of the first two films rather than be a reboot.

It definitely will be a reboot. And it's for the best, honestly. TMNT deserves better.

Here's what I'd like to see in a TMNT film:

1. To treat the turtles as characters
2. A tone similar to the Mirage comics.
3. Add Nagi in it.
4. The turtles wearing all red masks (I know that's a stretch but still).
5. None, if not, very little FW influences.
6. No influences from the PD films.
7. Mike's artistic side.

[IndigoErth]

I'm not even gonna go as far as to assume anything at this point in what they personally mean by reboot. Not until we have more direct information. We know too little.

Given the feelings from fans PD managed to generate from the last two, it would no doubt be foolish of them to stick with anything they already have.... But this is PD we're talking about.

After OotS, I want PD Leo back and I'm sad that's probably it for him (can he just get his own film one-shot instead? ) but I know it's probably not wise for them to do anything other than a total reboot.

But again, this is PD... it could be anything from a legit total reboot to a restructuring of their version. Not every source is even sure it's a true reboot so that info is still kind of cloudy. Too risky to get hopes up and assume too much yet.



If they do still go with some of what they have, such as the Turtle designs but choose to tone them down or something... they better be very pubic and open about it. Going the route of some companies, in the sense of admitting "we messed up," would prob be wise in that case if they want to win back interest.