Why do most media franchises have something almost everyone seems to hate?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I know this could also be in "Books, Comics, and Other Literature", but I have to chose.

Why do most media franchises have at least something almost everyone seems to hate?

TMNT has the 1991 and 1993 films, Next Mutation, seasons 5-7 of the 4 Kids series, Dreamwave Comics (if it counts, ending after just seven issues) and the Platinum Dunes films (somehow it seems the Fred Wolf series has ended up in this category after the October 2009 Nickelodeon purchase. Maybe it began in a larger scale with the jokes about it in Turtles Forever).

Star Wars has the prequels (which I can't understand, I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, but I watched them and think they're well-done, so even the prequels, and especially the 2005 film was good and even the 1999 one was OK). I also think Star Wars did a good job inspring to other science fiction, both softer and harder, as well as science fantasy. The prequels explroed the interplanetary politics of the galaxy where Star Wars is set, maybe something for TMNT to take more inspirations from for Dimension X or the Theta Galaxy.

Batman has the late-1960's series (which defined Batman until the 1989 film). The Justice League probably has Superfriends (not sure).

Masters of the Universe has the 1987 live-action film. I don't think producing such a film was easy back in 1987, maybe unless you have the same budgets amounts of money and producers as with Star Wars.

Transformers has Michael Bay's films

Home Alone has everything past the 1990 and 1992 films.

This song could go on and one, but compare to music artists. Different fans like different songs (some liked Bee Gees and ABBA when they played pop, other liked when they played disco. Some like country music songs about man and woman relations like Tammy Wynette's Stand by Your Man, but I like Dolly Parton's catchy songs and her songs about her home in Tennessee, and some other too), and that's how I thought it was with media franchises before getting Internet access.

[IndigoErth]

Well, look at the varieties of fanfic people write and the differences in things people would like to see happen in a show/film/book. If you toss the official writers of a franchise in the same boat, esp if they too are fans of the property they work for... well, I guess one writer's idea they really like is another person's feeling of "wtf is this?"

[ZariusTwo]

Knight Rider has virtually anything that came after the original series, though I quite like the KR 2000 movie

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Batman has the late-1960's series

Dude, 60's Batman is'nt "hated", you ask around and you'll find most people would kill for the franchise to go back to those preposterous levels (I've always held a theory Batman and Robin would probably have been more of a hit in the age of the MCU). The only season that gets hazed from that era is the last one with Batgirl.

[Sumac]

Because, if franchise exists for more than 10 years, there is a good chance, that at least one of its incarnations will be a stinker.
You can not hit the gold every single time.

[TurtleWA]

My guess is folks become accustomed to certain flavors and that flavor can only be enhanced so much before turning sour. And when you have an enormous success it becomes tough for any successor to fill the shoes.

As far as music goes, some artists/bands become less popular when changing things up to much or trying solo careers. Artists/bands have a difficult time trying to match/top their greatest hits.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

seasons 5-7 of the 4 Kids series,

Not sure where you got that from, many people liked Season 5 and 6.

[John Pannozzi]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Because, if franchise exists for more than 10 years, there is a good chance, that at least one of its incarnations will be a stinker.
You can not hit the gold every single time.

This, plus Sturgeon's Law.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I've always held a theory Batman and Robin would probably have been more of a hit in the age of the MCU.

With how much the Worlds of DC (DCEU) are leaning towards that tone, I can see it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Star Wars has the prequels

I don't think the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the prequels is anywhere comparable to the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the reception of "The Last Jedi." "The prequels (almost) destroyed the franchise!" was a quantifiably FAKE narrative cooked up by Disney to justify their "safe" TFA remake of ANH. "The Last Jedi" has beaten the franchise within a Negan bat and people are literally giving up on the franchise in droves.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the prequels is anywhere comparable to the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the reception of "The Last Jedi." "The prequels (almost) destroyed the franchise!" was a quantifiably FAKE narrative cooked up by Disney to justify their "safe" TFA remake of ANH. "The Last Jedi" has beaten the franchise within a Negan bat and people are literally giving up on the franchise in droves.

But Walt Disney Studios didn't buy Lucasfilm until October 2012

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20146942

The concept of the Star Wars prequels is much older (probably as old as the films themselves)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...-Wars-prequels

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

But Walt Disney Studios didn't buy Lucasfilm until October 2012

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20146942

The concept of the Star Wars prequels is much older (probably as old as the films themselves)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...-Wars-prequels

This means nothing.

[Vegita-San]

because studios arn't making things for the fans anymore.

imagine how big a hit ghostbusters 3 would have been, if it had a good plot, like the video game? Everyone back, nostalgia with new stuff everywhere. a win win situation.

instead, look what we got, look how it went, and boom.

That history is repeating itself with star wars. and will probably repeat itself with other franchises, where the people involved are so egotistical as to think you can completely rechange something and CONSTANTLY reboot it, and think everyone will fall in line and love it.


Some properties can only be rebooted so many times before they loose the charm they had originally. sometimes its better off letting things remain dead than ruined.

remember, sometimes dead is betta

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

imagine how big a hit ghostbusters 3 would have been, if it had a good plot, like the video game? Everyone back, nostalgia with new stuff everywhere. a win win situation.

I was at Wal-Mart yesterday night and saw 2016 Ghostbusters in the Blu-ray bargain bin. Perhaps the time is right for you to give it another chance, Vegita-San.

[Vegita-San]

i gave three paul feig movies ONE chance, because someone said i needed to see others before i could fully judge.

my first opinion was right. not wasting any more money!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the prequels is anywhere comparable to the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the reception of "The Last Jedi." "The prequels (almost) destroyed the franchise!" was a quantifiably FAKE narrative cooked up by Disney to justify their "safe" TFA remake of ANH. "The Last Jedi" has beaten the franchise within a Negan bat and people are literally giving up on the franchise in droves.

Idk. I remember lots of hate for the phantom menace back then.

[plastroncafe]

Granted, I'm a good deal older than the bulk of people on here, who probably remember those movies as fond childhood memories, but I remember there being a LOT of hate for the prequels, and also for the OT Edits.
And while the ire for the new ones certainly seems louder, thanks to social media, it was just as noxious then as it is now.

The only thing salvageable from those movies was McGregor's Alec Guinness impersonation.

That's one of the many reasons why I've yet to see the follow up cartoons, even though I've heard from several reliable sources that they're excellent.

[John Pannozzi]

The prequels were commercially successful, and even did okay with critics. But they still alienated a good portion of the veteran fanbase, which viewers of Spaced and South Park should know all about.

They made a freakin' documentary about it, man.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Granted, I'm a good deal older than the bulk of people on here, who probably remember those movies as fond childhood memories, but I remember there being a LOT of hate for the prequels, and also for the OT Edits.
And while the ire for the new ones certainly seems louder, thanks to social media, it was just as noxious then as it is now.

The only thing salvageable from those movies was McGregor's Alec Guinness impersonation.

That's one of the many reasons why I've yet to see the follow up cartoons, even though I've heard from several reliable sources that they're excellent.

Seconded on all of this. I was already out of high school by the time Phantom Menace came out, and while I liked it, there was much flack about it once the critics and fanbase had gotten over the excitement. Heck Jar-Jar was hated even then!

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Granted, I'm a good deal older than the bulk of people on here, who probably remember those movies as fond childhood memories, but I remember there being a LOT of hate for the prequels, and also for the OT Edits.
And while the ire for the new ones certainly seems louder, thanks to social media, it was just as noxious then as it is now.

The only thing salvageable from those movies was McGregor's Alec Guinness impersonation.

That's one of the many reasons why I've yet to see the follow up cartoons, even though I've heard from several reliable sources that they're excellent.

I was born in 1990 so you can easily do the math and tell how old I was when the Phantom Menace came out. before that I had already seen the original trilogy several times since my family had a VHS set of it.

I didn't like Phantom Menace. And liked Attack of the Clones even less. And I was a hyped for them, trust me.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the prequels is anywhere comparable to the level of outrage and ire exhibited by the reception of "The Last Jedi.".

That's another thing. Once something new comes out, the hate focus will usually move to that new stuff.