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02-20-2018, 12:31 PM | #1 |
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Marvel Relaunching In May (Again)
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02-20-2018, 01:09 PM | #2 |
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Isn't this like the 10th time they've done this since 2000?
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02-20-2018, 01:36 PM | #3 |
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Ha. This is the comment you see in response to this announcement all over the web.
And it's true. Someone put it pretty well when they said Marvel is like "the boy who cried wolf". This is a much needed relaunch after a terrible year with fans/P.R. in 2017, a new editor in chief on board, a desire for new talent...but they've done the relaunch thing so many times now that it may not resonate as much as it should. For me personally, they can relaunch or not all they want. It won't matter a damn thing, to me, until they get some artists and writers back that I want to see. I mean no disrepsect to their current staff, and they do deserve a chance to prove themselves, but it's also fair to acknowledge readers like myself are following writers/artists more than we are following characters. Morrison, Hickman, King, Way, Gaiman, Rucka, Brubaker, Remender, Opena, Capullo, Quitely, Craig, etc. There are so many active creators who's work I love and follow, but none of them are at Marvel. And hell, I'm probably in the minority when it comes to my reading/purchasing habits, which is fine. But that's what they'd have to do to get my money back. I'll say they did a good job grabbing Donny Cates from Image, and the Venom series they've just announced by him has me intruiged. Last edited by AquaParade; 02-20-2018 at 01:46 PM. |
02-20-2018, 02:36 PM | #4 | |
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They literally just did this with Legacy or Generations or whatever it was, didn't they? They keep seeing diminishing returns with relaunches, but they don't learn a lesson.
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I think that's the thing that's kind of lost in the shuffle. A lot of the reason Marvel's had to staff themselves with a lot of new faces is because they didn't really have a choice. Jason Aaron aside, a lot of the creators they considered central to building the Marvel Universe all left. Brubaker, Rucka, Fraction, Remender and Hickman all left within three years of each other and they made up a LOT of Marvels brain trust. Even Bendis is gone now. Best they can do is what they did last time and pick up some people from the indies, hoping for some breakout creative voices, but they're probably not getting the sort of gold mine of unique voices all at once they did last time.
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02-20-2018, 02:59 PM | #5 |
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Marvel must be seriously hurting their brand with this constant relaunch B.S.
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02-20-2018, 03:27 PM | #6 |
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It's time for all comic books to shut down for a few years then come back with some good new material.
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02-20-2018, 06:16 PM | #7 | |
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Why on earth don't they have an Ultimate line anymore? It seems like a no-brainer to attract renowned creators to give their uncompromised take on their stable of characters, without disturbing the 616/Prime universe. |
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02-20-2018, 07:51 PM | #8 |
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Does this mean they are going to play havoc with Amazing Spider-Man's numbering again?
We just got Venom back and by that I mean Eddie Brock. Leave him out this. Bring on the Parker/Watson marriage. It is in need for a new beginning! That is all.
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02-20-2018, 08:21 PM | #9 |
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Marvel and DC comics business is only kept to not let others have the market and also to make face so they don't see criticism. Both their parent companies don't care for the business and are happy just owning the IP since it gives them tons of profit through other media. Eventually one day they'll cancel all the comics once they don't see any reason to keep it because it's more trouble than it's worth so yeah if anything fans should be happy they're getting these at all. Huge multinationals like WB and Disney will cancel far more successful business ventures for far less reasons. It sucks that they still don't give fans what they want and continue to try to cater to a mass audience but what can you do.
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02-21-2018, 12:54 AM | #10 | ||
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Please no.
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A lot of the rest - Fraction, Hickman and Remender, for example - seem like, from comments, they just felt it was time to move on after six to eight years with Marvel and they wanted to get back to the creator owned stuff they'd found or were finding success with. Bru just seemed burned out on superheroes, basically said he had nothing left to say with them and seems like he mostly wants to work on noir stories now. Maybe they could have convinced some of the others, minus Bru, but they mainly seemed ready to just go do their own stuff with Image. The others are mainly just busy dudes who don't do many comics to start with or are guys DC snapped up, because they seem to have learned a lesson from the days when Marvel pulled guys out from under their noses. Quote:
Regardless, if you want more variety in American comics, check out Image, Boom, Dark Horse, Oni Press, maybe even Dynamite (I don't even know what they're doing these days). Publishing original work from creators across comics is pretty much Images entire business model these days, aside from Spawn and Savage Dragon I guess. I'd say IDW too, but I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum is well aware of them already and they're more licensed comics than creator owned anyway.
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02-21-2018, 02:46 AM | #11 |
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I think it’s fair to point out the reasonable explanations that may have caused these writers and artists to find work elsewhere, but I think the pattern tells the story - the fan favorite creators just aren’t at Marvel. There’s a root problem there.
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02-21-2018, 04:13 AM | #12 |
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I know the marriage (at least to MJ) ain't your cup of tea, but the majority love it and it's time they brought it back. Part of Spider-Man's ongoing problems is it's absence. The only reason it's gone is because of the upper brass' maddeningly stubborn insistence Peter remain "youthful". It's not even a line-wide commitment considering we've never went a year without the marriage in publication elsewhere (Renew Your Vows, Newspaper Strip), so what IS the point of keeping it out of the mainstream stuff? All of Peter's alternative love interests have proven to be duds and fail to measure up to MJ.
Just damn well fix what was never broken.
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I guess we just don't agree, at heart, on what whether it was broken or not. You don't think it was, I do. Which is fine. I just honestly don't want it back (partly because I don't like it in the comics, partly because of the effect it has on the outside media). But hey, we had a good discussion about that before, so no big reason to repeat it.
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At least some of them will return over time though, I'm sure, if only to occasionally get their name out there again with the superhero audience and thus try to entice them to the outside work.
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Dear Comic Companies:
It's okay to have more than one universe for your books. Please stop rebooting the whole thing in an effort to make just one that everyone will like. It won't work.
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02-22-2018, 02:11 PM | #17 |
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Stan Lee's talked about it before and she was just one of several women orbiting Peters life, because he thought it interesting to have different women Peter might think he was in love with. That's it. I think he's even said he intended Gwen to be the one, though I could be mis-remembering the mans words on that one. It was more Gerry Conway who liked MJ and looked to make her more of a thing, so he killed Gwen off for that purpose and tweaked MJ. MJ became more of a fixture from there, along with the other women that came and went from Peter Parkers life.
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