Do you believe in evolution?

[CyberCubed]

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

You guys def failed biology class

Aren’t these the same classes now claiming that there are more than two genders? Yeah, not really an insult.

https://www.inerize.com/is-darwin-wrong/

https://www.inverse.com/science/new-...orally-evolved

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/e...ution-1.318354

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

the irish times and inverse dot com aren't exactly academic journals in my eyes.

also, as someone who hasn't been out of the public education system for that long, i can assure you there's not as much talk about gender as you think. and im from a liberal area.

With The Irish Times, I can understand your skepticism, but Inverse is basically an online magazine for science nerds, and I think it’s safe to assume that it’s a more reliable source than The Daily Beast or Vice when it comes to topics such as science and technology.

You must be from a purple moderate area, then.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

online magazine for science nerds

Your first mistake.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I'd take the evidence in this case, but only because this is something fairly recent in our lifetimes.

This position in unsustainable for anything older than you.
By this logic, pyramids were built by aliens, because, no-one have seen how they were made.

[ProphetofGanja]

Some people here are certifiably ignorant.

Evolution is documented, Earth is not flat, and space is real for christ's sake smh

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I'd take the evidence in this case, but only because this is something fairly recent in our lifetimes.

And because letting him go could be a risk to society, so prosecution would be the safer bet even if there is a small chance it wasn't him.

You should watch the movie 12 Angry Men, it's a classic and it's pretty good.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Sumac

This position in unsustainable for anything older than you.
By this logic, pyramids were built by aliens, because, no-one have seen how they were made.

You don’t even need to go as far back as the pyramids, just take our parents: we didn't see them be born and grow up either, so surely they were created by some magical bearded dude...?

Yeeesh.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

You can't have fictional deity creating life in an instant and an evolution which takes million of years (of which we have more proves than possible).

But you can..... You can have that.

For example, maybe God's design is to set things in motion knowing that the fundamental outcome is a bipedal, upright lifeform that has a pre-frontal cortext functional enough to become "intelligent life"; but arriving at that outcome means the Universe takes its course through evolution. So yes, you can. If God is timeless then his planting of a seed can take as much time to flower as he perceives time.

Even if people choose not to believe that, you can still accept that as a possibility. That's my point. And I'm not digging in here on whether or not God is "real" or "not real". What I am doing is explaining that peasant-ass mofo's lack the ability to think abstractly and more importantly lack the ability to accept possibility of truths outside of the domains of their scum $#!( brains.

[ZariusTwo]

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Your first mistake.

Well what do you prefer, the Bible? Obviously not.

And you don’t have to be religious to doubt a scientific theory, one that’s full of holes for that matter (did I just make a Hawking joke?). There are plenty of atheists and agnostic people who challenge Darwinism entirely from a scientific standpoint.

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Evolution is documented

Do you mean actual evolution, like dinosaurs changing into chickens, or adaptation, like certain elephants growing longer ears since they live in the hottest parts of the world?

[CyberCubed]

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I'd take the evidence in this case, but only because this is something fairly recent in our lifetimes.

And because letting him go could be a risk to society, so prosecution would be the safer bet even if there is a small chance it wasn't him.

So...when all the Holocaust victims die, would it be safe to question whether the holocaust happened? I mean...we have people who say it didn't happen so they are just as valid because no one who was there is alive anymore and we cant trust supporting evidence (like photos).

Aren’t these the same classes now claiming that there are more than two genders? Yeah, not really an insult.

Evolution was established and accepted long before the gender stuff started...so no its not the same people. Teaching that in school is a very current idea.

but Inverse is basically an online magazine for science nerds, and I think it’s safe to assume that it’s a more reliable source than The Daily Beast or Vice when it comes to topics such as science and technology.

Did you read the Inverse article? It does not call into question evolution, it calls into question how important coastal living was to our early ancestors.

And you don’t have to be religious to doubt a scientific theory, one that’s full of holes for that matter (did I just make a Hawking joke?). There are plenty of atheists and agnostic people who challenge Darwinism entirely from a scientific standpoint.

Do you mean actual evolution, like dinosaurs changing into chickens, or adaptation, like certain elephants growing longer ears since they live in the hottest parts of the world?

I mean...there is evidence. DNA, fossils, experimentation with selective breeding. The only people I see that question it are usually asking for live evidence of thousands upon thousand upon thousands of generations of tiny changes over time which is impossible to produce directly but we can produce supporting evidence for.

My big question, you can quote studies and such...but why don't you accept evolution Cowabung-Gal?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

My big question, you can quote studies and such...but why don't you accept evolution Cowabung-Gal?

What do you care whether I do or don’t? Or is evolution a religion too?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

So...when all the Holocaust victims die, would it be safe to question whether the holocaust happened? I mean...we have people who say it didn't happen so they are just as valid because no one who was there is alive anymore and we cant trust supporting evidence (like photos)

Nothing should be immune from questioning.

Originally Posted by Sumac

By this logic, pyramids were built by aliens, because, no-one have seen how they were made.

Why does it matter who built them?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Why does it matter who built them?

It matters in the sense of, are they an early product of and a testament to human ingenuity and craftsmanship that can be pointed to in a historical context or are they... not? Aliens would make them not.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

What do you care whether I do or don’t? Or is evolution a religion too?

Legit...I am just trying to understand. You and FredWolfLeonardo are the only people I have ever encountered who have reject evolution. I like to understand people I dont agree with because I might have to consider something new.

Its not a religion...there is legitimate, physical, repeatable evidence to support it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It matters in the sense of, are they an early product of and a testament to human ingenuity and craftsmanship that can be pointed to in a historical context or are they... not? Aliens would make them not.

I guess they are, but I'm still guessing in the end so its not cold hard fact. And I'm okay with that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Legit...I am just trying to understand. You and FredWolfLeonardo are the only people I have ever encountered who have reject evolution. I like to understand people I dont agree with because I might have to consider something new.

Its not a religion...there is legitimate, physical, repeatable evidence to support it.

You could say the same about God. Many call it “proof” that He does exist, others don’t and give reasons for why they are so skeptic.

Scientific knowledge is evolving too. Scientists are always changing their minds and re-examining prior conclusions. Even Darwin himself admitted that his theory could be proven false if enough evidence was provided. Some scientists even come to believe in an intelligent design as they study the universe more and more.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by IMJ

But you can..... You can have that.

For example, maybe God's design is to set things in motion knowing that the fundamental outcome is a bipedal, upright lifeform that has a pre-frontal cortext functional enough to become "intelligent life"; but arriving at that outcome means the Universe takes its course through evolution. So yes, you can. If God is timeless then his planting of a seed can take as much time to flower as he perceives time.

Even if people choose not to believe that, you can still accept that as a possibility. That's my point. And I'm not digging in here on whether or not God is "real" or "not real". What I am doing is explaining that peasant-ass mofo's lack the ability to think abstractly and more importantly lack the ability to accept possibility of truths outside of the domains of their scum $#!( brains.

This is probably the best take in this whole thread

It's wild how some people can't reconcile the two

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

But you can..... You can have that.

You are going into realm of the magical thinking and demonstrating lack of critical thinking.
Nothing had ever proven existence of the "creator", yet for some reason I should entertain that idea? Why?
Give me evidence and I believe, if I find them sufficient or if they are undeniable. Up until then I don't see any point believing in fairy tales. It no better than believing in actual religions or ideologies like a communism.

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

It's wild how some people can't reconcile the two

Why?
What exactly it should accomplish?

Like, as a thought experiment I can accept that, but thinking of it, like it is an actual think? Might as well roll into scientology at this point.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Why does it matter who built them?

Because your whole argument hinges on idea that "no-one has seen how a monkey evolved into a human". By this logic, if no-one has seen how pyramids were built it could be anyone. Even aliens.
Or you don't understand your own argument?

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I guess they are, but I'm still guessing in the end so its not cold hard fact. And I'm okay with that.

Being OK with ignorance is not a good idea.
Besides, there is a fairly good idea how and why pyramids have been build. You can call it a cold hard fact.