Motivating the Fandom

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Cipher

Why? The Turtles have always been "the last of their species."

Also, why, why, why are we talking about this?

Beats me, rather than help with the documentary or things related to it, we're still posting s*ite like this. How stupid is this fandom? Do they even deserve any sympathy at this rate? I've seen FURRIES with more intelligence

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Again, if we can discuss Baxter's mutilations and Shrdder being decapitated without going for an airsickness bag, we can also discuss this. I know there are kids here sometimes, but geez what is with the world when we can discuss extreme mutilation but not sex?

Shredder and Baxter's problems are depicted in the appropriate media as something that had no consequences in the current series. Perverted discussions centering on fictional characters that were pretty much aimed at a child demographic isnt depicted in the media and has never been the focus of the franchise.

If you want to discuss sex, discuss your own (lack of), sex life, not adhear it to discussions that range from incest to detail-to-detail on a forum KIDS read.

God, will this fracking fandom ever grow up?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Beats me, rather than help with the documentary or things related to it, we're still posting s*ite like this. How stupid is this fandom? Do they even deserve any sympathy at this rate? I've seen FURRIES with more intelligence

Sad but true. TMNT fandom has been slipping through the cracks. I've been seeing alot of b*llshit for a while now. Mostly coming from the new wave of fans.

It seems us real TMNT fans from the 80s generation are the ones keeping it together.

Originally Posted by Jester

A member who was banned after posting Venus inspired Hentai on the boards.

Those where the good ol' days.

[Krang]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Beats me, rather than help with the documentary or things related to it, we're still posting s*ite like this. How stupid is this fandom? Do they even deserve any sympathy at this rate? I've seen FURRIES with more intelligence

Shredder and Baxter's problems are depicted in the appropriate media as something that had no consequences in the current series. Perverted discussions centering on fictional characters that were pretty much aimed at a child demographic isnt depicted in the media and has never been the focus of the franchise.

If you want to discuss sex, discuss your own (lack of), sex life, not adhear it to discussions that range from incest to detail-to-detail on a forum KIDS read.

God, will this fracking fandom ever grow up?

I agree with you that threads like this one are dumb, in my opinion. However, sitting around and complaining about it accomplishes nothing. If you want to see the types of discussions around here change, make the effort to change them. Here are some ideas:

• Start new threads that you think are beneficial to the fandom.
• Bump old discussions that interested you.
• Invite people to these forums to get more discussion going.
• Post regularly in the documentary threads to draw attention to them.

If you focus your energy on positive things like those, you actually can make a difference. But if you want to continue talking down to people and blowing everything out of proportion, don't expect to see any results.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Krang

I agree with you that threads like this one are dumb, in my opinion. However, sitting around and complaining about it accomplishes nothing.

Harsh criticism and harsh motivation accomplishes things when the strong, able minds, not the excessively weak and feeble ones, LISTEN. I don't beleive it accomplishes "nothing", I think a good kick in the face wakes people up to what they could live up to, not just in this community, but anywhere else where they are in a posistion to make changes.

I usually stay OUT of these threads, but that's because most of the time we don't have a great project hanging over our heads. I want this fandom to prove itself with that project, we shouldnt be wasting our time posting dumbell threads like this. This is what the documentary is trying to AVOID, and we DISGRACE it.

As for posting new threads that would try a positive approach? Yes, let's break down how that went down.

1. I've had to fight tooth and nail to get people to send me and my partners videos for the documentary. Even before Canadian announched his project, I was going nowhere with the help. Half-assed promises, unfulfilled obligations, it became so routine I abandoned that thread until Canadian started posting.


2. When my artist for my TMNT comic, something that would be produced for that documentary, got bitch-slapped by problems in life, I asked for help and DIDNT get it. After I specificly said "Can I have a long-term commitment", one a-hole even said "I'm too lazy"....was he thick or something? Maybe, I don't know what this fandom considers a priority...probably if I asked them to lick an ice cream for five minutes for charity, they'd rather discuss how long a Turtle would lick the ice cream...sexually.

I have TRIED to play it postively Krang, but the reality is is that this doesnt work in a shallow, empty, and unmotivated fandom that is content with having a nice period of activity, then returning to the levels of unparalelled obscurity, much like the franchise itself.

I've since had to hold back my online comic until Raven is better off than he currently is, but he too shares my frustrations and I'd rather keep a project with someone who can and will do it than someone who never will and waste my time.

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, I'm telling you the truth. This fandom needs a good kick in the balls. Fact.

[Krang]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Harsh criticism and harsh motivation accomplishes things when the strong, able minds, not the excessively weak and feeble ones, LISTEN. I don't beleive it accomplishes "nothing", I think a good kick in the face wakes people up to what they could live up to, not just in this community, but anywhere else where they are in a posistion to make changes.

The question is, why would people want to listen to you when you act so condescending toward them? You're not motivating people, you're cutting them down, and from what I've seen, that always hurts the situation far more than it helps.

I usually stay OUT of these threads, but that's because most of the time we don't have a great project hanging over our heads. I want this fandom to prove itself with that project, we shouldnt be wasting our time posting dumbell threads like this. This is what the documentary is trying to AVOID, and we DISGRACE it.

I agree that the documentary has a lot of potential to help out the fandom, but you can't expect people to talk about nothing besides it. If this insignificant thread never existed, I doubt it would have given the people who posted in it all that much more time to spend on helping out the documentary, especially considering how short the majority of the posts in here are.

Also, I see that you have had a frustrating experience in getting people to contribute to your projects, but that's not what I was referring to. My suggestions are for improving the quality of conversation on the forums, which is what you were complaining about in your original post.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Krang

The question is, why would people want to listen to you when you act so condescending toward them? You're not motivating people, you're cutting them down, and from what I've seen, that always hurts the situation far more than it helps.

If I'm cutting them down, then they clearly don't want to be motivated or challenged. I've been on harsher communities where that attitude steels people and cuts around corners.

I agree that the documentary has a lot of potential to help out the fandom, but you can't expect people to talk about nothing besides it.

I never said it had to be the consistent vocal point of conversation, but it should have more activity and participation involved than it does currently, especially when it has to play second fiddle to daily discussions on THIS crap. True, there's not a lot of posts in HERE, but I'm not just talking about this thread, I'm talking about these kinds of threads constantly cropping up....it's sad.

Also, I see that you have had a frustrating experience in getting people to contribute to your projects, but that's not what I was referring to. My suggestions are for improving the quality of conversation on the forums, which is what you were complaining about in your original post.

Did this sudden concern for "quality of conversation" occur before or after you threw my previous vents and concerns into a thread called "Pointless Whining"? when I was neither whining or without a point to make? I took personal exception to that, but opted not to PM you my outrage, I figured there'd be another time, another place to vent, and I found that.

I'm a fan like you and everyone. I just like my fandoms to be much hungrier than they actually are.

[gobo]

Just curious, Zarius, but what other fandoms exist where they volunteer to take your abuse? If you want to be a condescending supervisor without expecting people to give up on you, start paying them. That's the only reason anyone in the business world would stand for your "harsh criticism"... low self-esteem aside.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks like you didnt pay attention in class did ya boy?

I'm social with anyone that gets on my wagon, there's no bickering, no fighting, no "abuse", if I find flaw, I tell them to try again.

Turning the other way (or, hell, saying "I'm not putting up with this unless there's money involved") is nothing to suggest, or be proud of, it doesnt teach me to "be more positive", it proves me RIGHT how about stupid and insulting those morons are to the poor saps who post threads saying how "fortunate" we are..they sabotauge our integrity and that adulation.

If you want to be a condescending supervisor without expecting people to give up on you, start paying them.

If they give up on me, I don't care, because there idiots who'll go on posting threads like this and if anything, I'll get more a laugh at how unaccomplished they are in life, and are content to remain that way and turn the argument back on someone

That's the only reason anyone in the business world would stand for your "harsh criticism"... low self-esteem aside.

This isnt the buisness world, this is a fandom, nobody's earning any money, but people who are SPENDING money to give us a non-profit project ought to be helped a little more

But you won't listen, and that's fine, I'm laughing, I'm proven right. That documentary will be finished one day, my comic will be finished one day...but guess who missed out because all they did was post about Venus DeMillo's sexual preferences and couldnt process someone's concerns as something that basicly told them to look in the mirror and examine their own character?


Krang, you can move these posts to another section of the board if you like. Possibly under the title "Motivating The Fandom", and we'll get it out of the way. I wouldnt want to refrain people from continuing this STIMULATING conversation...

[gobo]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

This isnt the buisness world

Nor did I suggest it was. I'm just pointing out that's how they do it. But, I see I've gotten under your skin. Sorry. Just trying to give you some perspective. This is how I see things, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[Coola Yagami]

Calm the hell down dude. TMNT is for everyone and we can discuss whatever we want about it wether or not YOU do or don't like it. People are free to discuss wether they preffer Mikey with black eyes or baby blues, if Fast Forward was better or worse than Red Sky, and who would date Venus. Case closed dude. I don't see what's the big deal, noone said anything about Raph dating a foxwoman, flirting with a lizard girl, or Mikey hittin on an alien girl or even some woman from ancient Japan that already had a love interest to begin with.

[Krang]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I never said it had to be the consistent vocal point of conversation, but it should have more activity and participation involved than it does currently, especially when it has to play second fiddle to daily discussions on THIS crap. True, there's not a lot of posts in HERE, but I'm not just talking about this thread, I'm talking about these kinds of threads constantly cropping up....it's sad.

And my suggestions above address everything you mentioned. You could also add this to the list: "Don't post in threads that you think are stupid, since that only draws more attention to them."

Did this sudden concern for "quality of conversation" occur before or after

You still seem to be misinterpreting my original post. I posted those suggestions because you seemed concerned about the quality of conversation around here.

you threw my previous vents and concerns into a thread called "Pointless Whining"? when I was neither whining or without a point to make? I took personal exception to that, but opted not to PM you my outrage, I figured there'd be another time, another place to vent, and I found that.

Well, your posts in that thread mostly consisted of complaining (whining) about the forum staff not stickying the thread even though you never asked us to. If you did ask, we would have gladly done so, meaning there was no need to complain in the first place (which makes the whole thing pointless). I think the new title was rather fitting.

But please, that thread is dead and buried, so let's not continue to dwell on that to avoid ruining this thread like what almost happened to the documentary thread.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Krang, you can move these posts to another section of the board if you like. Possibly under the title "Motivating The Fandom", and we'll get it out of the way.

Good idea.

[Kendamu]

So, I read the first half and then just kinda skimmed after that. Just to make sure I didn't completely miss the idea here: We're arguing about arguing and whining about whining because the documentary is in Production Hell and people like to talk about mutant ninja privates.

Did I miss anything?

[ZariusTwo]

Nobody's whining, so get off that line of inquiry

And you'd be right on everything else.

It goes beyond just the documentary too, this is about getting the fandom to do more productive things than discuss private parts and sexual preferences.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Calm the hell down dude. TMNT is for everyone and we can discuss whatever we want about it wether or not YOU do or don't like it.

I really don't have the time to discuss this crucial matter with someone who clearly doesnt "get it", but I need the laugh

Here's a reality of life buster: You don't DESERVE TMNT with the kind of crap you talk about. And damn right if I don't like what I'm reading, I WILL vent about it because we could be doing something much better. It's a free country, but that doesnt mean people have to WASTE that freedom and embarras themselves.

People are free to discuss wether they preffer Mikey with black eyes or baby blues, if Fast Forward was better or worse than Red Sky, and who would date Venus.

People are stupid, especially when they discuss the first and latter options more consistently. These characters are fictional, get out of your hole and start doing something that benefits the franchise, that's the only "reality" you ought to be dealing with

Case closed dude.

Because you say so? Hardly. It's just begun.

[Kendamu]

I guess I'm worthless no matter which way you look at it. I don't do productive things and I don't discuss ninja privates. All I do is enjoy the comics and DVDs.

[ZariusTwo]

Do you enjoy 'em....privatley?

[Kendamu]

No. I'm an exhibitionist.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

If you want to discuss sex, discuss your own (lack of), sex life, not adhear it to discussions that range from incest to detail-to-detail on a forum KIDS read.

God, will this fracking fandom ever grow up?

That's the sad thing about internet fandom. Doesn't matter what show you like, someone's going to start a lengthy discussion of what characters they want to bang... be they children or animals. I have said it before, I hate searching up drawing references and finding Mandy (of Billy and Mandy) nude, showing her self off. I agree with you on this, but I think it needs to apply to all fandom of every animated series comic book or movie.

[Kendamu]

Such is why I do not discuss Avatar: The Last Airbender with anybody.

[TristanHuwJones]

What is it, rule 34 or something?

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Beats me, rather than help with the documentary or things related to it, we're still posting s*ite like this. How stupid is this fandom? Do they even deserve any sympathy at this rate? I've seen FURRIES with more intelligence

I completely agree that there's alot of, for lack of a better word, stupidity, around here, especially evident in threads about Turtle sex, or imaginary Turtle habits, or what have you.

However, I don't think you can call the fandom lazy for not putting in huge commitments for fan comics and documentaries. Not everyone has the facilities, talent, time, or interest (despite how much they may love the property) for those sorts of things.

What I would personally love to see is motivation for better discussion. Less talk of Turtle sex and how "deep" the new toon characters are, and more analysis of storylines. More reminiscing about favorite moments. More discussion about the franchise. More substance. We don't need more flash-bang fan projects, we just need more intellegent discussion. Which for my part, I have tried to do.

People are free to discuss wether they preffer Mikey with black eyes or baby blues, if Fast Forward was better or worse than Red Sky, and who would date Venus.

You make a good argument for dictatorship.