Justice Leauge Unlimited: "Epilogue"

[ZariusTwo]

Have any of the canadian members here seen the finale? If you hav'nt, get ready for some spoilers



This is'nt neccersarily a Justice Leauge episode, instead, "Epilouge" serves as the finale of the Batman animated universe we've known for ten years


It's set once more in the future timeline of Batman Beyond, Terry discovers that his DNA matches Bruces', and is horrified to learn that Wayne is actually his father, he storms out of the Batcave, leaves the Justice Leauge, and breaks up with Dana. He is later confronted by Amanda Waller, who explains that Bruce overwrote Terrys' fathers' compatible DNA with Bruces using nanotechology, so essentially not only is Terry Bruces' son, he's also his clone.

There's also a small cameo from The Phantasm, who was hired to kill The Mcguinesses, but she could'nt go through with it, eventually, Terry accepts his destiny as Batman, and as he flies into the night on partrol, we hear a new versuion of the original Animated Series theme song.

This is'nt the end of J.L.U however, it's back next season, I've also heard it's a good episode when you watch it, so don't judge it on the premise alone.

[Anarky]

I added the spoiler warnings and started the download of this episode. It does sound rather good.

EDIT: I had to stop the blasted download again, since I'm once more way past my bandwidth limit. I hate my greedy provider. I really hate that bastard. good thing I'm planning on moving. Bastard!

[GK Punk]

I haven't been watching JLU, unfortunetly... but I am Aquiring this episode right now, it sounds to good to pass up.

...Can anyone tell me what episodes Supergirl has appeared in? I'd like to see those.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Supergirl was in the first episode, and another one featuring an evil clone!

I can't believe you're missing out on it! It's a truly fantastic show! It's even miles ahead of the previous series!

I have not seen the episode reffered to here, but would sure like to. Has it aired on CN yet?

[Barkworm]

Although the idea of "Project: Batman Beyond" was pretty lame, the episode was well done. I especially liked the ending and the Bruce Wayne-Batman flashback. Are there any more episode with the grown-up Terry?

[Raph's Girl]

Unfortunatly this ep won't be airing on CN for at least a month. Canadians get all the good eps.

As for more eps with Terry. I suggest you watch the JLU ep "The Once And Future Thing pt 2"

There's this weird arse time travelor who traveled thru time and tried to steal one of Batman's utility belts but Batman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman followed him thru time to try to stop him. First they end up in the old west where they meet with the original Justice League... Bat Lash, Jonah Hex (a bounty hunter who chased after Ra's Al Ghul for years), El Diablo, and Sheriff Ohiyesa Smith.

Well anyways...they (GL, Batman, and WW) end up 50 years in their future. Where they team up with what's left of that timeline's Justice League: Static Shock (who's the world's greatest hero in this time period...there was an ep of Static Shock in which young Static went to the future and saved his older self...really good ep), Batman(who by this time is a ful fledged JLer), Warhawk (who was featured in a couple Batman Beyond eps), and Old Bruce Wayne.

Seems that the time traveling nutcase and his goons (the Jokerz) killed off the rest of the League. Im still wondering how many Dee Dee's there are....there's like 6 or 7 of em compared to the 2 in "Return of the Joker"....Dee Dee seems to have the powers to duplicate herself....I suppose that's a er helpful power for the granddaughters of Joker :P

Anyways....good ep...my fave scene is when Terry introduces the 2 Bruce Wayne's *L*

"Bruce Wayne...Batman... Batman...Bruce Wayne....or have you already met?" :lol:

And the major thing (at least for me anyways and all Green Lantern/Hawk Girl fans) was Warhawk....turns out he's the son of GL and Hawkgirl... :o

Warhawk: "Rex...Rex Stewart"
GL: "Who's your mother??"
*Warhawk spreads out his wings*: "I would think it would be obvious.."
Static Shock: "Shayera was one cranky pregnant lady!" :lol:

[Raph's Girl]

Ok.. just saw this ep.. "Epilogue"...and wow!... So it's set 15 years after the series "Batman Beyond" ended... Terry is now 30 years old and has been Batman for well 15 years and is still with Dana. Sometime in the 15 missing years he's told Dana that he's Batman

Ok so Amanda Waller (good lord...how old is she now??? Gotta be over 100! :o) a former enemy of the Justice League and at one point in the last 50 years was their ambassador and good pals with Bruce Wayne realizes that Bruce is getting older so she concocts "The Batman Beyond Project" :roll:

Ok... now if Mr. McGinnis was injected with Bruce Wayne's DNA and had his genetic material changed so that it was an exact copy of Bruce's...umm...wouldn't Terry's younger brother also be Bruce Wayne's son???

Oh and I just thought it was really funny that in joke that was put in the episode. The McGinnis' were gonna be killed after seeing the movie "The Grey Ghost Strikes"..... The Grey Ghost is Bruce Wayne's favorite superhero! I remember an ep of Batman: The Animated series in which Batman teams up with The Grey Ghost (voiced by Adam West). At one point Batman shows Grey Ghost (actually the actor tho played him in the Grey Ghost series) all his Grey Ghost memorabilia that's in a special room of the batcave. :lol: The ep is called "Beware The Grey Ghost" from the first season.

[DrSpengler]

It was one tonight and I finally got to see it (decided to wait instead of downloading).

Damn good episode. Especially loved the "On Leather Wings" homage at the very end. Classy.

Makes me hate The Batman even more, though.

[ZariusTwo]

Damn straight, this was Timms' farewell to "his" universe now that The Batman is pissing on it's legacy with how inferior it is (despite small improvments) I don't beleive a Batman Beyond episode should always be the season finale, but then, after this, its' going to be hard seeing Season Five top this...or anything before it.

J.L.U is no longer in the same vein of Teen Titans, that, despite having it's darkest, strongest season, falls back on weaker stand alone comedy outings, J.L.U is contiuity laden, arc-driven, does'nt give a s*it if a new viewers' just watching it for the first time, it forces you to watch every episode, and regrets nothing if you don't.

[DrSpengler]

JLU is just a powerful series. That stuff with Ace dying was really tear-jerking. I mean, she was just a little girl. What does Teen Titans do? Have Terra turn to stone an just promise to bring here back whenever they feel like it. Ugh. There's a reason JLU is on at 9pm.

Even more impressive is the fact that Timm planned this very episode YEARS in advance! When Batman Beyond first started it was meant for Terry to be Bruce's offspring (black hair and all that). And most of everything we got in this season's 4-part finale was begun in the last season of Superman TAS.

This is just some really intelligent and moving television. A shame The Batman and Teen Titans are the next generation. Ah well, I'll always have my DVDs and fond memories. :cry:

[Dr. Doom]

Teen Titans > Your Mom

[The Stryker]

Its just an Opinion Dude.


I caught the episode and damn it killed me, I was sad that it was the end of the historic arc that Timm had created and the inclusion of one Villian from the movie caught me by suprise and the mention of the Joker/Drake incident made it even more legit and made it feel like it was all planned from the beginning.

so does TAS come before JLU or after? Teen Titans? i need to brush up on my continuity

[DrSpengler]

Its just an Opinion Dude.


I caught the episode and damn it killed me, I was sad that it was the end of the historic arc that Timm had created and the inclusion of one Villian from the movie caught me by suprise and the mention of the Joker/Drake incident made it even more legit and made it feel like it was all planned from the beginning.

so does TAS come before JLU or after? Teen Titans? i need to brush up on my continuity

Continuity-wise, I think it goes something like this:

Batman TAS
Superman TAS/New Batman Adventures (both occur at the same time)
Static Shock/Justice League (Both occur at the same time)
JLU
Batman Beyond/Zeta Project

I don't think Teen Titans is a part of the Timm/Dini universe, though there isn't too much conflicting continuity in that show to disprove it. If Teen Titans IS a part of that universe then it would have to take place very early in Batman TAS (as in, some time between the flashbacks in "Robin's Reckoning" but before we see him for the first time in "Christmas With the Joker", as Robin is still a teenager in Teen Titans and when we first meet him in TAS he's a college kid).

[ZariusTwo]

Teen Titans > Your Mom


J.L.U>Turtles>X-Men: Evolution>Teen Titans

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I finally got to see this episode on CN and it is everything I read it would be. They used every version of that Batman universe and it was great. I REALLY liked when Phantasm showed up, I really wish she was used more. Again, I think JLU is great, even better than the last JL show, and I'm even digging that version of Superman because of it. (I did NOT like Superman: TAS).

On the subject of Teen Titans, I happen to love that show, and I don't appreciate it being grouped in with "The Batman", even if you don't like it, you KNOW it deserves more credit than "the Batman". And for the record, Justice League, while incorporating old-gen continuity, is ALSO a "new generation" superhero show.

And, to be honest there is one thing about Teen Titans that bothers me. It's the lack of continuity between episodes. Especially regarding Terra. For instance after she joined the Titans, she only was in the episodes that were specifically about her. THAT was stupid. Also, after she died/petrified, Beast Boy was fine the next episode?! I think he should have been depressed for at least a few episodes afterward, we didn't even get a scene of Robin asking Beast Boy if he was alright the next episode.

Still, for all it's faults (I really consider the thing I just bitched about it's only real flaw), I do love Teen Titans, and anyone who says TT is too "kiddy" should have really watched the latest trilogy, THAT was every bit as mature as a JLU plotline and even had a few references to past plotlines. Evil Beast Boy using Terra to taunt good BB was cool, and showing Slade with his skin melted off (meaning his return from the dead was incomplete), was quite a surprise.

[ZariusTwo]

Still, for all it's faults (I really consider the thing I just bitched about it's only real flaw), I do love Teen Titans, and anyone who says TT is too "kiddy" should have really watched the latest trilogy, THAT was every bit as mature as a JLU plotline and even had a few references to past plotlines. Evil Beast Boy using Terra to taunt good BB was cool, and showing Slade with his skin melted off (meaning his return from the dead was incomplete), was quite a surprise.

"The End" Part 3 was unbelvibly weak, maintaining the status quoe and not evolving, or drasticlly changing the characters, at all, it was a huge let down, Trigoin may return one day, and yet that arc had beeb built up for years. Raven goes back to her traditional look despite the fact shes' supposedly "purified", what a cop out.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Again, my only problem with the show is their failure to change, or acknowledge the changes they suppossedly made (again, Terra saga). I do agree about Raven's costume, and the way they again missed an opportunity to change things. But, it just doesn't ruin the show for me.

But, at least you saw it instead of just forming your opinion on one of the goofy filler episodes.

[DrSpengler]

But, at least you saw it instead of just forming your opinion on one of the goofy filler episodes.

I've seen every episode of Teen Titans save for maybe 2 or 3 (I missed the end to the Trigon arc), so I'd say I've put a lot of thought into my opinion.

Whenever JLU gets serious they don't cop-out by panning to Booster Gold and having him fart at the audience and then follow that with all the characters morphing into little midgets, running around in circles with bubbles around their heads.

Big difference.

That's my major peeve with Teen Titans, because when it WANTS to be, it can be very cool and very dark. "Haunted" is one of my favorite episodes. Yet whenever Slade starts tearing Robin's sh1t up they pan to Beast Boy in the infirmary blowing snot out of his nose or something stupid like that.

JLU doesn't need to throw in needless anime facial expressions or Jar-Jar Binks-quality "humor" when they're least necessary simply to pander to the stupid otaku crowd/children under 10/people with downs syndrome.

I would never rank Teen Titans anywhere near JLU.

And as far as the comedy relief episodes go, I actually like a few of them as they don't try to be something they aren't. They're strictly comedy and they know it. The one where they go inside Mumbo's hat is easily one of my favorite episodes of the series and I always enjoy watching reruns of that one; as it's clever, surreal and Tom Kinney gives one of his best performances ever.

If Teen Titans would just keep the comedy in the comedy episodes and the serioues stuff in the serious episodes then I'd enjoy it a lot more.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I've seen every episode of Teen Titans save for maybe 2 or 3 (I missed the end to the Trigon arc), so I'd say I've put a lot of thought into my opinion.
Good, I may not agree with it, but I can certainly respect it.

Whenever JLU gets serious they don't cop-out by panning to Booster Gold and having him fart at the audience and then follow that with all the characters morphing into little midgets, running around in circles with bubbles around their heads.

Big difference.
True, but I wish, just once, they'd do that. You know, just to f* with us. I like a show to mess with my mind a bit.

That's my major peeve with Teen Titans, because when it WANTS to be, it can be very cool and very dark. "Haunted" is one of my favorite episodes. Yet whenever Slade starts tearing Robin's sh1t up they pan to Beast Boy in the infirmary blowing snot out of his nose or something stupid like that.
Haunted was great, and yeah I didn't appreciate the snot thing, but I like how they can switch from drama to comedy at the drop of a hat. Keeps ya guessing. As I said MY only major peeve is while that they end every episode with things being back to normal, or don't acknowledge in the next episode when they do make a change. The Terra saga is the best example of that.

JLU doesn't need to throw in needless anime facial expressions or Jar-Jar Binks-quality "humor" when they're least necessary simply to pander to the stupid otaku crowd/children under 10/people with downs syndrome.
I most certainly do enjoy how JLU is essentually a TV version of a Justice League comic book. It's a bout time we gave our comics proper respect on TV the way Japan does with their's.

Still, I wish they'd have an episode with Myksilplik (sp?) or some other villian that distorts reality so just one they could cut loose with the psychedelic comedy like TT does.

I would never rank Teen Titans anywhere near JLU.
Well, we're all entitled to our own rankings, but in my chart TT ranks just one notch below JLU and one notch above regular JL. The only recent superhero shows I don't like are "The Batman" and "Smallville" (a 90210 rip-off about Superman is still a 90210 rip-off).

And as far as the comedy relief episodes go, I actually like a few of them as they don't try to be something they aren't. They're strictly comedy and they know it. The one where they go inside Mumbo's hat is easily one of my favorite episodes of the series and I always enjoy watching reruns of that one; as it's clever, surreal and Tom Kinney gives one of his best performances ever.
I like the "Mad Mod" episodes, and any ep. with a romantic plot.

If Teen Titans would just keep the comedy in the comedy episodes and the serioues stuff in the serious episodes then I'd enjoy it a lot more.
I can understand that

[DrSpengler]

That's cool. I also liked the Mad Mod episodes; the second more than the first (hated that chase-scene with the Japanese music).

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Well, as much as I like Puffy Ami Yumi's music in the first Mad Mod ep, I also prefer the 4th of july one. It was just more surreal, and I dig a good historical parody.

Anyway, we've gone off-topic. What did everyone think of the way Bruce Wayne seems to have driven away all his friends?

[Anarky]

Bruce always was a loner... he never had too many friends.

But it really is sad, when you think about the fact, that this was the final appearance of the Batman as we knew him. Don't get me wrong, I think "The Batman" has potential and has given many new and sometimes good inputs on Bat-Vilains and especially Alfred. But the BTAS-Bats just was one of his kind.

Farewell, Batman of my youth. I'll see you on DVD.

[DrSpengler]

I think Batman being a lonely old man is sad yet fitting. He's always been a sociopath who was extremely difficult to get along with.

Tim got mind-f*cked and was forced into early retirement.
He rejected Barbara's love and she quit the team.
Dick...well, we don't really know. He got pissed and went out on his own but always helped Bruce whenever he really needed him. Then he just sort've vanished.
We never found out what happened to Selena. Last time we ever got to see her was in the "Chase Me" short film.

I think it was fitting. Another great part of "Epilogue" was at the end where Bruce is acting as "fatherly" as he can; making Terry soup an then complaining that he let it get cold. Kind've sweet.

[The Stryker]

I Would like to see what happened to Dick, that question just bothers me in the Batman Beyond arc. probably dead or something

[Dane E5R]

Dick isn't dead. Barbara mentions him in The Return of the Joker. Though I'm sure he's probably living a rather lonely life similar to Bruce's.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Bruce always was a loner... he never had too many friends.

But it really is sad, when you think about the fact, that this was the final appearance of the Batman as we knew him. Don't get me wrong, I think "The Batman" has potential and has given many new and sometimes good inputs on Bat-Vilains and especially Alfred. But the BTAS-Bats just was one of his kind.

Farewell, Batman of my youth. I'll see you on DVD.

I'm sure that Batman will still be part of JLU, though that was a fitting closure to his series. And, while I dont like "The Batman" I do like it's version of the Joker.

And, I also thought it was sweet whan Bruce was acting fatherly to Terry.

[Anarky]

I'm sure that Batman will still be part of JLU, though that was a fitting closure to his series. And, while I dont like "The Batman" I do like it's version of the Joker.

Nope, he will not appear on JLU anymore. He has to leave because "viewers might be confused by the appearance of two different "Batmen" on two different series".

[Dane E5R]

Hm... I didn't realize that. Now I'm ****ing sad too. :( That's a really stupid decision. They're probably gonna lose a good amount of viewers because of this, I really only ever watched Justice League to see if I'd get a glimpse of Batman.

[Anarky]

No, I don't think that JLU will lose ratings just because Bats left. I mean, the JLU has so much more to offer, like heroes the world has never heard of (Hawk and Dove anyone?).

[ZariusTwo]

I'm sure that Batman will still be part of JLU, though that was a fitting closure to his series. And, while I dont like "The Batman" I do like it's version of the Joker.


The laughing Goku wanna-be with the s*it plots?

Hamil>Him

[DrSpengler]

Well, they made "Epilogue" when they weren't granted a 5th season and they were pretty much under the assumption that this was going to be IT.

However, thankfully, they were greenlit another 13 episodes as they revealed at SDCC and Batman will be appearing only briefly in a couple of them (as his story is considered "over") and they'll be focusing mostly on the Legion of Doom and other characters. However, Batman's rogues and supporting cast are still off limits, so no Scarecrow or Riddler or Solomon Grundy in the Legion of Doom.

I'm glad that Batman won't be "forgotten" next season and we'll get to see a few glimpses of him here and there.

And I want to see more of JLU Beyond.

[Anarky]

The laughing Goku wanna-be with the s*it plots?

Hamil>Him

Well, it is a rather cool looking character. It's just not a Joker or someone as clever as the Joker.

But on the other side you have to see that this is a "teen-Joker", so he might become his evil self some day.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Hamil is better. I'm just saying I like him with Dreadlocks. I do prefer the Batman: TAS Joker.

I think it REALLY sucks that they;'re removing Batman from JLU! I find it condescending that they think it's too confusing, and want to see more of the Batman/Wonder Woman pairing!

[Dr. Doom]

Nope, he will not appear on JLU anymore. He has to leave because "viewers might be confused by the appearance of two different "Batmen" on two different series".

I didn't know that...



:(

[Voltron]

Neither did I! I, too, only watched JLU to see Batman. I'm really disappointed.

But the episode was an excellent way to bring the story to a close. I damn near wept. :cry:

[ZariusTwo]

Hamil is better. I'm just saying I like him with Dreadlocks. I do prefer the Batman: TAS Joker.

I think it REALLY sucks that they;'re removing Batman from JLU! I find it condescending that they think it's too confusing, and want to see more of the Batman/Wonder Woman pairing!


Oh god, did that couple suck, in fact, so does Wonder Woman, the work they did with Hawkgirl was amazing, why could'nt they attribute that to Diana?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Actually, I thought Shayera was kind of a bitch in the previous series, but I do like what they're doing with that character now. I need to see that movie.

I think the Wonderwoman/Batman pairing was cute and unexpected.

[ZariusTwo]

Actually, I thought Shayera was kind of a bitch in the previous series, but I do like what they're doing with that character now. I need to see that movie.

I think the Wonderwoman/Batman pairing was cute and unexpected.


I don't get the hate people have for Hawkgirl, she was easily a better character than the bland, boring Diana, who had some of the worst early J.L episodes I've ever watched, and Starcrossed and the later J.L.U episodes prove that beyond all doubt.

And that couple was s*it. Pure s*it, did'nt go anywhere, oh wait, there was that "Childs' Play" episode for all the fangirls who thought it was "cute", but only served to show how annoying Diana was and how doomed that relationship was going to turn out

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

She was mean as Hawkgirl. But, I like her ALOT now as the regretful Shayera, much more depth now, and I even feel sorry for her. But, in the first series, she was just too pushy to be a likeable character, to me, anyway. I can understand you relating to her. But now that she's strong AND vulnerable she's one of my favourite characters. She really isn't Hawkgirl anymore.

And, you're entitled to think they did a bad job with Wonder-Woman, but please accept that I disagree.

[Serp]

I thought it was a very well written episode, The only things I didn't like was they Batman glory *I don't hate Batman I just thought he got way too much praise* and the fact that Terry was his quasi-clone *Kind of a slap to the face on Terry*. But like I said it was very well written I love that we got to see the Justice League Unlimited, and Batman Beyond villians like Inque, Hunter, and Shreik, and we got to see Parasite, The Phantasm, and the Ace part was really sweat.

[U2WaTCHer]

does anyone know when this ep will air on cn and when do you think it will come on. Im thinking 10:30ipmsh on a weekday? im talking since i'm on the eastcoast.

[U2WaTCHer]

sorry but does anyone know?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

You missed it. Sorry.