Justice Leauge Unlimited: "Epilogue"

*ZariusTwo* · 06-25-2005, 07:55 PM

Have any of the canadian members here seen the finale? If you hav'nt, get ready for some spoilers

This is'nt neccersarily a Justice Leauge episode, instead, "Epilouge" serves as the finale of the Batman animated universe we've known for ten years

Spoiler:

This is'nt the end of J.L.U however, it's back next season, I've also heard it's a good episode when you watch it, so don't judge it on the premise alone.

*Anarky* · 06-25-2005, 08:12 PM

I added the spoiler warnings and started the download of this episode. It does sound rather good.

EDIT: I had to stop the blasted download again, since I'm once more way past my bandwidth limit. I hate my greedy provider. I really hate that bastard. good thing I'm planning on moving. Bastard!

**GK Punk** · 06-25-2005, 08:40 PM

I haven't been watching JLU, unfortunetly... but I am Aquiring this episode right now, it sounds to good to pass up.

...Can anyone tell me what episodes Supergirl has appeared in? I'd like to see those.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 06-29-2005, 12:07 AM

Supergirl was in the first episode, and another one featuring an evil clone!

I can't believe you're missing out on it! It's a truly fantastic show! It's even miles ahead of the previous series!

I have not seen the episode reffered to here, but would sure like to. Has it aired on CN yet?

**Barkworm** · 06-29-2005, 08:11 AM

Although the idea of "Project: Batman Beyond" was pretty lame, the episode was well done. I especially liked the ending and the Bruce Wayne-Batman flashback. Are there any more episode with the grown-up Terry?

*Raph's Girl* · 06-29-2005, 02:00 PM

Unfortunatly this ep won't be airing on CN for at least a month. Canadians get all the good eps.

As for more eps with Terry. I suggest you watch the JLU ep "The Once And Future Thing pt 2"

There's this weird arse time travelor who traveled thru time and tried to steal one of Batman's utility belts but Batman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman followed him thru time to try to stop him. First they end up in the old west where they meet with the original Justice League... Bat Lash, Jonah Hex (a bounty hunter who chased after Ra's Al Ghul for years), El Diablo, and Sheriff Ohiyesa Smith.

Well anyways...they (GL, Batman, and WW) end up 50 years in their future. Where they team up with what's left of that timeline's Justice League: Static Shock (who's the world's greatest hero in this time period...there was an ep of Static Shock in which young Static went to the future and saved his older self...really good ep), Batman(who by this time is a ful fledged JLer), Warhawk (who was featured in a couple Batman Beyond eps), and Old Bruce Wayne.

Seems that the time traveling nutcase and his goons (the Jokerz) killed off the rest of the League. Im still wondering how many Dee Dee's there are....there's like 6 or 7 of em compared to the 2 in "Return of the Joker"....Dee Dee seems to have the powers to duplicate herself....I suppose that's a er helpful power for the granddaughters of Joker

Anyways....good ep...my fave scene is when Terry introduces the 2 Bruce Wayne's *L*

"Bruce Wayne...Batman... Batman...Bruce Wayne....or have you already met?"

And the major thing (at least for me anyways and all Green Lantern/Hawk Girl fans) was Warhawk....turns out he's the son of GL and Hawkgirl...

Warhawk: "Rex...Rex Stewart"
GL: "Who's your mother??"
*Warhawk spreads out his wings*: "I would think it would be obvious.."
Static Shock: "Shayera was one cranky pregnant lady!"

*Raph's Girl* · 07-01-2005, 02:55 AM

Ok.. just saw this ep.. "Epilogue"...and wow!... So it's set 15 years after the series "Batman Beyond" ended... Terry is now 30 years old and has been Batman for well 15 years and is still with Dana. Sometime in the 15 missing years he's told Dana that he's Batman

Ok so Amanda Waller (good lord...how old is she now??? Gotta be over 100!

) a former enemy of the Justice League and at one point in the last 50 years was their ambassador and good pals with Bruce Wayne realizes that Bruce is getting older so she concocts "The Batman Beyond Project"

Ok... now if Mr. McGinnis was injected with Bruce Wayne's DNA and had his genetic material changed so that it was an exact copy of Bruce's...umm...wouldn't Terry's younger brother also be Bruce Wayne's son???

Oh and I just thought it was really funny that in joke that was put in the episode. The McGinnis' were gonna be killed after seeing the movie "The Grey Ghost Strikes"..... The Grey Ghost is Bruce Wayne's favorite superhero! I remember an ep of Batman: The Animated series in which Batman teams up with The Grey Ghost (voiced by Adam West). At one point Batman shows Grey Ghost (actually the actor tho played him in the Grey Ghost series) all his Grey Ghost memorabilia that's in a special room of the batcave.

The ep is called "Beware The Grey Ghost" from the first season.

*DrSpengler* · 07-23-2005, 08:01 PM

It was one tonight and I finally got to see it (decided to wait instead of downloading).

Damn good episode. Especially loved the "On Leather Wings" homage at the very end. Classy.

Makes me hate The Batman even more, though.

*ZariusTwo* · 07-23-2005, 08:29 PM

Damn straight, this was Timms' farewell to "his" universe now that The Batman is pissing on it's legacy with how inferior it is (despite small improvments) I don't beleive a Batman Beyond episode should always be the season finale, but then, after this, its' going to be hard seeing Season Five top this...or anything before it.

J.L.U is no longer in the same vein of Teen Titans, that, despite having it's darkest, strongest season, falls back on weaker stand alone comedy outings, J.L.U is contiuity laden, arc-driven, does'nt give a s*it if a new viewers' just watching it for the first time, it forces you to watch every episode, and regrets nothing if you don't.

*DrSpengler* · 07-23-2005, 10:10 PM

JLU is just a powerful series. That stuff with Ace dying was really tear-jerking. I mean, she was just a little girl. What does Teen Titans do? Have Terra turn to stone an just promise to bring here back whenever they feel like it. Ugh. There's a reason JLU is on at 9pm.

Even more impressive is the fact that Timm planned this very episode YEARS in advance! When Batman Beyond first started it was meant for Terry to be Bruce's offspring (black hair and all that). And most of everything we got in this season's 4-part finale was begun in the last season of Superman TAS.

This is just some really intelligent and moving television. A shame The Batman and Teen Titans are the next generation. Ah well, I'll always have my DVDs and fond memories.

*Dr. Doom* · 07-24-2005, 04:28 AM

Teen Titans > Your Mom

*The Stryker* · 07-24-2005, 07:40 AM

Its just an Opinion Dude.

I caught the episode and damn it killed me, I was sad that it was the end of the historic arc that Timm had created and the inclusion of one Villian from the movie caught me by suprise and the mention of the Joker/Drake incident made it even more legit and made it feel like it was all planned from the beginning.

so does TAS come before JLU or after? Teen Titans? i need to brush up on my continuity

*DrSpengler* · 07-24-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Its just an Opinion Dude.

I caught the episode and damn it killed me, I was sad that it was the end of the historic arc that Timm had created and the inclusion of one Villian from the movie caught me by suprise and the mention of the Joker/Drake incident made it even more legit and made it feel like it was all planned from the beginning.

so does TAS come before JLU or after? Teen Titans? i need to brush up on my continuity

Continuity-wise, I think it goes something like this:

Batman TAS
Superman TAS/New Batman Adventures (both occur at the same time)
Static Shock/Justice League (Both occur at the same time)
JLU
Batman Beyond/Zeta Project

I don't think Teen Titans is a part of the Timm/Dini universe, though there isn't too much conflicting continuity in that show to disprove it. If Teen Titans IS a part of that universe then it would have to take place very early in Batman TAS (as in, some time between the flashbacks in "Robin's Reckoning" but before we see him for the first time in "Christmas With the Joker", as Robin is still a teenager in Teen Titans and when we first meet him in TAS he's a college kid).

*ZariusTwo* · 07-24-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Teen Titans > Your Mom

J.L.U>Turtles>X-Men: Evolution>Teen Titans

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 07-24-2005, 07:55 PM

I finally got to see this episode on CN and it is everything I read it would be. They used every version of that Batman universe and it was great. I REALLY liked when Phantasm showed up, I really wish she was used more. Again, I think JLU is great, even better than the last JL show, and I'm even digging that version of Superman because of it. (I did NOT like Superman: TAS).

On the subject of Teen Titans, I happen to love that show, and I don't appreciate it being grouped in with "The Batman", even if you don't like it, you KNOW it deserves more credit than "the Batman". And for the record, Justice League, while incorporating old-gen continuity, is ALSO a "new generation" superhero show.

And, to be honest there is one thing about Teen Titans that bothers me. It's the lack of continuity between episodes. Especially regarding Terra. For instance after she joined the Titans, she only was in the episodes that were specifically about her. THAT was stupid. Also, after she died/petrified, Beast Boy was fine the next episode?! I think he should have been depressed for at least a few episodes afterward, we didn't even get a scene of Robin asking Beast Boy if he was alright the next episode.

Still, for all it's faults (I really consider the thing I just bitched about it's only real flaw), I do love Teen Titans, and anyone who says TT is too "kiddy" should have really watched the latest trilogy, THAT was every bit as mature as a JLU plotline and even had a few references to past plotlines. Evil Beast Boy using Terra to taunt good BB was cool, and showing Slade with his skin melted off (meaning his return from the dead was incomplete), was quite a surprise.

*ZariusTwo* · 07-24-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tetsu Deinonychus

Still, for all it's faults (I really consider the thing I just bitched about it's only real flaw), I do love Teen Titans, and anyone who says TT is too "kiddy" should have really watched the latest trilogy, THAT was every bit as mature as a JLU plotline and even had a few references to past plotlines. Evil Beast Boy using Terra to taunt good BB was cool, and showing Slade with his skin melted off (meaning his return from the dead was incomplete), was quite a surprise.

"The End" Part 3 was unbelvibly weak, maintaining the status quoe and not evolving, or drasticlly changing the characters, at all, it was a huge let down, Trigoin may return one day, and yet that arc had beeb built up for years. Raven goes back to her traditional look despite the fact shes' supposedly "purified", what a cop out.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 07-24-2005, 09:34 PM

Again, my only problem with the show is their failure to change, or acknowledge the changes they suppossedly made (again, Terra saga). I do agree about Raven's costume, and the way they again missed an opportunity to change things. But, it just doesn't ruin the show for me.

But, at least you saw it instead of just forming your opinion on one of the goofy filler episodes.

*DrSpengler* · 07-25-2005, 01:37 PM

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But, at least you saw it instead of just forming your opinion on one of the goofy filler episodes.

I've seen every episode of Teen Titans save for maybe 2 or 3 (I missed the end to the Trigon arc), so I'd say I've put a lot of thought into my opinion.

Whenever JLU gets serious they don't cop-out by panning to Booster Gold and having him fart at the audience and then follow that with all the characters morphing into little midgets, running around in circles with bubbles around their heads.

Big difference.

That's my major peeve with Teen Titans, because when it WANTS to be, it can be very cool and very dark. "Haunted" is one of my favorite episodes. Yet whenever Slade starts tearing Robin's sh1t up they pan to Beast Boy in the infirmary blowing snot out of his nose or something stupid like that.

JLU doesn't need to throw in needless anime facial expressions or Jar-Jar Binks-quality "humor" when they're least necessary simply to pander to the stupid otaku crowd/children under 10/people with downs syndrome.

I would never rank Teen Titans anywhere near JLU.

And as far as the comedy relief episodes go, I actually like a few of them as they don't try to be something they aren't. They're strictly comedy and they know it. The one where they go inside Mumbo's hat is easily one of my favorite episodes of the series and I always enjoy watching reruns of that one; as it's clever, surreal and Tom Kinney gives one of his best performances ever.

If Teen Titans would just keep the comedy in the comedy episodes and the serioues stuff in the serious episodes then I'd enjoy it a lot more.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 07-25-2005, 04:21 PM

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