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darthsmozers
08-28-2005, 07:45 AM
Updated 8/30/2005

THE INFO. BELOW IS NOW AVAILABLE ON THE WEB:

http://home.comcast.net/~jsmo2283/theforeverwar/

Keep in mind the site will look better in the coming days. For now, I just wanted to get it up on the web for easier access.

Introduction:

I thought I'd start a topic on the upcoming Mirage publication of the lost Archie Comics TMNT storyline, "The Forever War". I'llt ry to compile all information in this one place. As the project gets closer to reality day by day, I think it would be beneficial to have this open. I'll try to update as much as possible.

Email Exchanges with Steve Murhpy:

First and foremost, I'd like to share some Email exchanges I've had with Steve Murphy regarding the project (in reverse chronological order). Note that I trimmed some of them down to make sense and to respect the fact t hat he wanted me to keep any guessing or speculation on his part under wraps until the project moved further along.

August 29, 2005: "FYI - Chris is currently handling the art to Tales #19, due out in January. But Dean has yet to turn in a script for The Forever War. As a result I've had to remove the title from our production schedule and now treat it as a "when it comes in, it comes in" sort of thing. That is, when Dean turns in the script, and providing it gets approved by Peter Laird, only then will I put the book back on the production schedule. ...he has promised to write TFW and he's always kept his word in the past so I have faith that he'll do it. I just hope he does it soon!"

June 11 and July 14, 2004: I sent Steve Murphy quotes from right here, the boards at TheTechnodrome.com, to help cement theidea that there would be fan support for the project. Below are those quotes, to which he replied by syaing he didn't realize how much interest there would be, and he would pass them on to Dean and Chris (Chirs even featured this in one of his daily journals):

"I think the artist you mean is Chris Allan. The only work of his I know of besides TMNTA, however, is issues #26-28 of "Knuckles The Echidna". He's my fav turtle artist too." - Dec. 26, 2002 by"ChibiKasai"

"I as well was very sad when the archie series ended I was really looking forward and still do till this day to know what was going to happen in the forever war the picture in the advertisement was so awesome I really really want to know what that story is about" - Oct. 19, 2003, by "Putrescent"

"I love this series! I still mourn its untimely cancellation. Overall, I would consider this to be the most consistent TMNT series in terms of quality and story. It's not the "kiddie" TMNT book! Read it!" - Feb. 24, 2004, by "Roseangelo"

"Yeah, once Allan takes over the art is fabulous." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "Roseangelo"

"[It'd] be cool to see Allan's take on the Turtles today." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "MrPliggins"

"it's a shame that the next shredder story line never
came about "the Forever War" I would love to see the art and read the stories for it I wish I knew how to contact the artist about it." - May 14, 2004, by "Putrescent"

"Hey everyone Vaughn Michael here not sure if anyone has gotten Issue # 3 of tales of TMNT yet but in the letters section they spoke of thinking of bring the long lost last chapter of the archie series out! Now to me thats freaking amazingly great news and should be brought out everyone should write to Mirage and tell them to pleaee bring it out. I know I'm going to I've wanted to read this story for so damn long....and to me the archie series is incomplete without this storyline being printed! so please everyone go pester the mirage guys to bring this out! "

"you and me both and we can only hope they bring it out. i'll be the happiest guy alive if they do! "

"Wow, now that is some awesomely hot s***"

"*raises glass* This one's to you, Mr. Laird. Wow, this is amazing news. The Archie TMNT are by far my favorite incarnation of the characters, next to Eastman and/or Laird-written Mirage stories. This has really got me excited. "

"I'd love to see the Forever War finally released/Adapted, Tales of the TMNT would be a great place to bring it back"

"That's f*** great news....I can't wait to hear more about this."

"I don't really care HOW many parts it has! I just want to see it really happen! I got soooooo mad at Archie for dropping the series before they came out with "Future War" that I fumed about it for weeks afterwards!"


June 4, 2004: "It is definitely in the works... or at least both Dean and Chris say they'll tackle it and Pete has given it his approval. Granted, if Dean doesn't come through then the project is off. Earliest publication scenario is summer 2005."

June 4, 2004: "Well, Archie Comics is out of the picture. Our plan with Forever War is to print it as a Mirage book, a roughly 96-page graphic novel in black and white, with Chris doing the pencils (but I haven't looked for an inker yet). The book would be a stand-alone issue but will be clearly identified as part of the "TMNT Adventures" universe (and it will be explained that it was intended to be of the Archie comics universe, post issue 72), not the Mirage comics universe."

June 4, 2004: "I've also been bugging him to finish off the "last" "lost" TMNT Adventures story-line, "The Forever War," and he's indicated that he'll get to it by the fall..."



Printed Tidbits:

Tales of the TMNT #14 (August 2005): "The Forever War takes place in the Archie universe (it will simply be published by Mirage)."

Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Dean and Chris are slated to begin The Forever War any day now. Meanwhile, Chris will be handling the art chores on #18's "A Ghost Story"."

Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Well, while no Archie comic book series characters will be appearing in Tales, you can look forward to seeing Armaggon, Verminator-X and a whole lot of other Archie characters in The Forever War graphic novel, to be published some time in 2006."

Tales of the TMNT #7 (January 2005): "Them Adventures boys are working on Forever War but it may take awhile before it comes out; probably late 2005."

Tales of the TMNT #5 (September 2004): "Dean Clarrain and Chris Allan of the old TMNT Adventures comic book will return next issue for a non-Archie Universe Turtles tale and are slowly getting around to tackling the "Forever War" storyline."

Tales of the TMNT #3 (May 2004): "As far as them ever finishing and Mirage publishing "The Forever War" is concerned, that's always a possibility (one that has ben discussed off and on), although whether it would appear in its originally-conceived 110 pages is doubtful. We'll keep you posted."

Weapon X
08-28-2005, 08:49 AM
Cool, I went to the site too, nice set up. Man I cant wait till the "Forever War" comes out. Then my Archie collection will be complete ans so will the story.

Kenton
08-28-2005, 10:26 AM
So this is brand new? I should be able to find it then :D Unlike the other comics, which are seeming to be impossible. Better look on ebay for them now.

darthsmozers
08-28-2005, 12:40 PM
No, this comic book is NOT out yet. Not till 2006 I bet.

Jaf
08-28-2005, 12:41 PM
Really cool idea, darthsmozers ;) If it helps create a «buzz» among fans and readers, then it can't be bad for the sales.
Cool, I went to the site too, nice set up. Man I cant wait till the "Forever War" comes out. Then my Archie collection will be complete ans so will the story. Jaf won't consider that continuity complete as long as the Ninjara spin-off is unfinished! Next thing to bug Allan & Clarrain about... Well, if Forever War is a success, maybe the Dean man will consider coming back to comic writing on a more regular basis.

And, an' me wants Talbot do more Inky stories!! Kwee-Gee-Bo!

Kenton
08-28-2005, 12:44 PM
Oh it isn't out yet, darn. More waiting. Till then I guess I should start my collection off heh. But when it does come out I should be able to find it, I hope :ohwell:

cowabunga14
08-28-2005, 03:01 PM
This graphic novel should be worth the wait. It'll be the first TMNT graphic novel to come out in a long time. Are they characters gonna be drawn Archie style? I don't mind if they are. I haven't read Archie and I would like to. What would be a good TMNTA comic to get used to and really enjoy?

darthsmozers
08-28-2005, 05:00 PM
yes, chris allan will be doing pencils, so it will be in the style of the last 40 or so issues of the archie series.

Aztec General
08-29-2005, 03:28 PM
Although I wasn't a huge Archie TMNT fan, the covers look amazing for this series. Add in the fact that Mirage allows for graphic violence and the occassional swear word, and this GN could be amazing. I'm very excited and I'll pick it up as soon as it becomes available.

darthsmozers
08-29-2005, 06:35 PM
the covers look amazing for this series

Those were potential covers for the original issues that were never produced. We don't know if they'd be included.

Got a new update on the project today. We may be waiting a little longer. I'll update the above list and my site tonight or tomorrow.

Spitfire
08-29-2005, 07:03 PM
This is sad they got lazy and their cutting down the ammount of pages. Those lame asses <_<

Space Lieutenant Josh
08-29-2005, 09:34 PM
Yeah, it's gone down from zero (and never) to a full graphic novel that we'll get to read.

I'm just gonna appreciate what comes. One of my big qualms with the Archie series was its never having come together. Hell, if they can do it in fewer pages, at least they're doing it.

darthsmozers
08-30-2005, 04:46 AM
Updated it this morning.

Jephael
08-30-2005, 06:52 PM
As happy as I'll be to see this, it kinda bums me out that they won't be incorporating the Mutanimals. It would be such a great opportunity to being back those characters. Oh well, you never know what the future might hold.

darthsmozers
09-02-2005, 01:36 PM
The Mutanimals died.

OA
09-02-2005, 02:44 PM
The Mutanimals died.

Since when did that mean in a thing in the comic world...? :P

Weapon X
09-02-2005, 03:56 PM
Hmmmm mybe Slash will return after plunging into the sun. :|

Spitfire
09-02-2005, 08:44 PM
The Mutanimals died.
Your forgetting that we're dealing with time travel here. What's to stop them from going back to prevent the Mutimamials from dieing. Since Null had them killed to mess up the timeline to begin with. They might have to it could change their future.

Weapon X
09-03-2005, 08:50 AM
Your forgetting that we're dealing with time travel here. What's to stop them from going back to prevent the Mutimamials from dieing. Since Null had them killed to mess up the timeline to begin with. They might have to it could change their future.
See theres always a way, and that would be pretty cool.

darthsmozers
09-03-2005, 10:52 AM
never thought of that :)

Gosh, can you imagine how many characters COULD appear in this eventual arc? Al' Falqua, Katmandu, the Mutanimals, Verminator X, Armaggon, Shredder, TMNT, Splinter, that Israel demon lady, Ninjara, Sarnath?? (but he died too, right?) Cudley the Cowlick....

then again, maybe most of them won't??

Weapon X
09-03-2005, 10:57 AM
Scumbug and Wyrm are right? :P

Spitfire
09-03-2005, 11:01 PM
They never died persay. I mean yeah there was an explosion but they never died for sure....well okay they exploded and...oh wait! *slaps self* I have the issue they get turned into to crystal and then get shattered. Well yeah I'd say their pretty dead...unless someone clones them.

Weapon X
09-04-2005, 07:30 AM
Yeah, because they were on one of the covers for the mini-series.

Spitfire
09-04-2005, 10:32 AM
Well then awesome I always liked their characters! Where can I see these covers? O_O

Weapon X
09-04-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally, we hoped to finish the Turtles run at issue 75, but the book was cancelled at 70. This is one of the last five, never-published covers. They're a little intense for kids, but I love them!

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/6633/tmnt713ua.gif

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/9708/tmnt729fx.gif

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2892/tmnt735zv.gif

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/9214/tmnt743fx.gif

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/1523/tmnt752zl.gif

Leo656
09-04-2005, 04:40 PM
I can not wait for this. Archie TMNT was the first TMNT comic I read, and I admit connecting with it a little bit more deeply than some other books since I read it the most growing up, so I can't wait for The Forever War. That'll be awesome.

Now if they can only finish that damn Ninjara mini we'll be in bizness.

Weapon X
09-04-2005, 08:45 PM
Indeed, the planned covers are enough to get you pumped, god I want it so bad, the last cover with Shredder vs Splinter as one of the Turtles floats in the distance, man, I want to now the outcome of it all.

userpjx
09-05-2005, 07:13 AM
It'll be great! Anything is better than the ending to the series that they had before. Remember... they just walk into the complete wilderness at the end of the Moon Eyes Saga.

But then again, In the Early Years two parter that finished off the series Splinter was telling a story to Candy in the sewers of New York. Where do you think The Forever war will pick up? The wilderness or the sewers?

Weapon X
09-05-2005, 07:41 AM
That was April not Candy that Splinter was telling the "Early Years" story to in the sewers, you could say that issue 66 part of the "Cyber Turtles" mini series (62-66) is a kinda half assed ending If you want, just for kicks. As for which I think it will continue from, mybe neither.

Machias Banshee
09-05-2005, 07:59 AM
They could have the boys wake up from a dream about the cyber turtles, or they could come to Splinter telling embarassing childhood stories while theyre traveling or whatnot.

I really cant wait to see what's going to come. I Still have a bad feeling theyre gonna have Splinter die. They've done that to him in other comics and every other fanfic I've seen. Let the guy Live for once! Sheesh!

Weapon X
09-05-2005, 08:02 AM
I Still have a bad feeling theyre gonna have Splinter die.
I think I could live with that, it only makes sence, plus he'll go out with honor, but the Shredder will just go out.

darthsmozers
09-05-2005, 08:21 PM
those covers can't be used as a basis for this story. No script was ever written for the forever war - only cover designs were made in which they would base a story around if they went that far. it never happened, however.

in this case, the script is being done before the artwork. We won't know if those old cover designs will have any bearing on this story or not.

Aztec General
09-05-2005, 09:28 PM
those covers can't be used as a basis for this story. No script was ever written for the forever war - only cover designs were made in which they would base a story around if they went that far. it never happened, however.

in this case, the script is being done before the artwork. We won't know if those old cover designs will have any bearing on this story or not.

I hope they do because they look downright amazing. It looks MIRAGE good. Color me excited!

Jaf
09-05-2005, 09:57 PM
I wonder if they'll bring back Ninjara, and try to link TFW to the ill-fated Ninjara spin-off from Furrlough. (Since the story is supposed to take place in an «alternate» reality, one in which she may never have met the TMNT in the first place, it could be easy to make her show up without interfering with the break-up with Raph in the Moon-Eye Saga.) Allan and Clarrain are deeply attached to that character, who co-starred in more than half of the Archie run, so I wouldn't be surprisef if they took the opportunity to tie together all loose ends from their «TMNT Mutant Universe»

darthsmozers
09-09-2005, 01:19 PM
i never got to read the Ninjara spinoff :(

Spitfire
09-09-2005, 01:23 PM
I wonder if they'll bring back Ninjara, and try to link TFW to the ill-fated Ninjara spin-off from Furrlough. (Since the story is supposed to take place in an «alternate» reality, one in which she may never have met the TMNT in the first place, it could be easy to make her show up without interfering with the break-up with Raph in the Moon-Eye Saga.) Allan and Clarrain are deeply attached to that character, who co-starred in more than half of the Archie run, so I wouldn't be surprisef if they took the opportunity to tie together all loose ends from their «TMNT Mutant Universe»
Just because they broke it off doesnt mean she wouldnt come help the TMNT out. Their friends non-the less. Plus shes on one of those covers there. Actually from those covers looks as if every Archie all star was slated to be in it. God it just looks so bad ass

userpjx
09-10-2005, 06:51 AM
Actually from those covers looks as if every Archie all star was slated to be in it.

Except the Mutanimals and Maligna of course...

Jaf
09-11-2005, 05:28 PM
Plus shes on one of those covers there.
Well, it could be Mezcal, Ninjara's grand-daughter and future-Raph's wife (boy, this guy HAS ans emotive dependence). Plus, good old Umeko was left quite far away from Manhattan, and presumably soon-to-be pregnant... But hey, I nonetheless want her in TFW too! Ninjara rules 8)

VaughnMichael
09-11-2005, 05:54 PM
Geez can we just stop being so negative for a second here!
this story has taken years to come out we are getting this thing even if I have to tie the 2 of them up and feed them tacos and sprite till they do so! ha
And stop worrying its gonna have everything and then some of what you expect one turtles series that never let me down was the Archie one it will all come to pass that this is gonna be one hell of an all out Archie series finally!
The thing is your all wondering this and that about this think about the story name "the Forever War" and the logo in the old add I have here has a big remote control it makes me believe Shredder is in control of it especially after looking at those old covers he in fact holding it in one of them.
This is very well how the dead Scumbug and worm could have come back I believe he brings them back from the past before they where killed.
I also believe Donatello (or another good guy) somehow gains control of the time slip generator again (yay)! And brings some help like Ninja, Black Suited Raph, Galoni, Alfaqua, Cat Mando, & Sarnoth.
But that one cover does leave me wondering why Alfaqua & Sarnoth are fighting..seems really odd to me.
But please don't worry because the more you do you will end up being disappointed when it does come out eventually.
-Putrescent (archie super freak)

Damien Kash
09-12-2005, 06:24 AM
"That's Ninjara, all right. There woulda been some nice opportunity for poignant romance since Raph was still hurting over her leaving, and this Ninjara had never even met him." (Interview with Chris Allan )
...so yes,thats her on the cover.... :)

Jephael
09-12-2005, 11:59 AM
It goes without saying that Shredder will be there since he was in the original cover art for the first part of the story.

Jaf
09-12-2005, 03:56 PM
"That's Ninjara, all right. There woulda been some nice opportunity for poignant romance since Raph was still hurting over her leaving, and this Ninjara had never even met him." (Interview with Chris Allan )
...so yes,thats her on the cover.... :)*Jaf endlessly shouting hallelujah in the streets of Montréal* :D

Now, Damien, you KNOW we WANT to see this interview!! By the way, Putrescent, I don't think anybody is being negative; we're just speculating over it. I lived 10 years without TFW, and 5 years without any decent TMNT incarnations, so the ifs and whens of this storyline aren't preventing me from sleeping very well. It's just fun to discuss what's it gonna be like.

Damien Kash
09-13-2005, 03:46 AM
http://www.geocities.com/tjsuhonen/allan.htm
This is the one :D

Jester
09-13-2005, 07:31 AM
:) and :(

:) for all the answers and the sneek peaks.

:( for future Donnie and still being a bit outta it.

It goes without saying that Shredder will be there since he was in the original cover art for the first part of the story.
That and can you really end the Archie saga with out ole' Metal Mouth?

Jephael
09-16-2005, 05:32 AM
Aw, Shell Naw!!! ... I mean no.

VaughnMichael
09-17-2005, 07:03 PM
holy crap after reading that I am soooooooo excited! this story needs to come out allready! they could bring back whomever they wanted!
man I hope theres a huge all out war! I want belly bomb, Slash!, Bebop & rocksteady man this could go anywhere think about it man this is gonna be so great!
-Putrescent

darthsmozers
09-18-2005, 06:55 PM
Mezcal, Ninjara's grand-daughter


is this really the case? for some reason i didn't know that.

darthsmozers
09-18-2005, 07:00 PM
cool interview!!!! That last part about the Shrinking Turtles bit is a bit funny :D

I wonder what Chris is upto lately. he's been a busy man, what with his changing life and all.

Mobius One
11-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Wow, I wasn't really sure what this was all about at first cause I only really read the early Archies. But after reading the shaky synopsis, it sounds really kick ass! I can't wait.

PenguinCleese
11-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Any new news on this yet? I still can't wait for it.