The Forever War: Up-To-Date Info and Details

darthsmozers · 08-28-2005, 07:45 AM

Updated 8/30/2005

THE INFO. BELOW IS NOW AVAILABLE ON THE WEB:

http://home.comcast.net/~jsmo2283/theforeverwar/

Keep in mind the site will look better in the coming days. For now, I just wanted to get it up on the web for easier access.

Introduction:

I thought I'd start a topic on the upcoming Mirage publication of the lost Archie Comics TMNT storyline, "The Forever War". I'llt ry to compile all information in this one place. As the project gets closer to reality day by day, I think it would be beneficial to have this open. I'll try to update as much as possible.

Email Exchanges with Steve Murhpy:

First and foremost, I'd like to share some Email exchanges I've had with Steve Murphy regarding the project (in reverse chronological order). Note that I trimmed some of them down to make sense and to respect the fact t hat he wanted me to keep any guessing or speculation on his part under wraps until the project moved further along.

August 29, 2005: "FYI - Chris is currently handling the art to Tales #19, due out in January. But Dean has yet to turn in a script for The Forever War. As a result I've had to remove the title from our production schedule and now treat it as a "when it comes in, it comes in" sort of thing. That is, when Dean turns in the script, and providing it gets approved by Peter Laird, only then will I put the book back on the production schedule. ...he has promised to write TFW and he's always kept his word in the past so I have faith that he'll do it. I just hope he does it soon!"

June 11 and July 14, 2004: I sent Steve Murphy quotes from right here, the boards at TheTechnodrome.com, to help cement theidea that there would be fan support for the project. Below are those quotes, to which he replied by syaing he didn't realize how much interest there would be, and he would pass them on to Dean and Chris (Chirs even featured this in one of his daily journals):

"I think the artist you mean is Chris Allan. The only work of his I know of besides TMNTA, however, is issues #26-28 of "Knuckles The Echidna". He's my fav turtle artist too." - Dec. 26, 2002 by"ChibiKasai"

"I as well was very sad when the archie series ended I was really looking forward and still do till this day to know what was going to happen in the forever war the picture in the advertisement was so awesome I really really want to know what that story is about" - Oct. 19, 2003, by "Putrescent"

"I love this series! I still mourn its untimely cancellation. Overall, I would consider this to be the most consistent TMNT series in terms of quality and story. It's not the "kiddie" TMNT book! Read it!" - Feb. 24, 2004, by "Roseangelo"

"Yeah, once Allan takes over the art is fabulous." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "Roseangelo"

"[It'd] be cool to see Allan's take on the Turtles today." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "MrPliggins"

"it's a shame that the next shredder story line never
came about "the Forever War" I would love to see the art and read the stories for it I wish I knew how to contact the artist about it." - May 14, 2004, by "Putrescent"

"Hey everyone Vaughn Michael here not sure if anyone has gotten Issue # 3 of tales of TMNT yet but in the letters section they spoke of thinking of bring the long lost last chapter of the archie series out! Now to me thats freaking amazingly great news and should be brought out everyone should write to Mirage and tell them to pleaee bring it out. I know I'm going to I've wanted to read this story for so damn long....and to me the archie series is incomplete without this storyline being printed! so please everyone go pester the mirage guys to bring this out! "

"you and me both and we can only hope they bring it out. i'll be the happiest guy alive if they do! "

"Wow, now that is some awesomely hot s***"

"*raises glass* This one's to you, Mr. Laird. Wow, this is amazing news. The Archie TMNT are by far my favorite incarnation of the characters, next to Eastman and/or Laird-written Mirage stories. This has really got me excited. "

"I'd love to see the Forever War finally released/Adapted, Tales of the TMNT would be a great place to bring it back"

"That's f*** great news....I can't wait to hear more about this."

"I don't really care HOW many parts it has! I just want to see it really happen! I got soooooo mad at Archie for dropping the series before they came out with "Future War" that I fumed about it for weeks afterwards!"

June 4, 2004: "It is definitely in the works... or at least both Dean and Chris say they'll tackle it and Pete has given it his approval. Granted, if Dean doesn't come through then the project is off. Earliest publication scenario is summer 2005."

June 4, 2004: "Well, Archie Comics is out of the picture. Our plan with Forever War is to print it as a Mirage book, a roughly 96-page graphic novel in black and white, with Chris doing the pencils (but I haven't looked for an inker yet). The book would be a stand-alone issue but will be clearly identified as part of the "TMNT Adventures" universe (and it will be explained that it was intended to be of the Archie comics universe, post issue 72), not the Mirage comics universe."

June 4, 2004: "I've also been bugging him to finish off the "last" "lost" TMNT Adventures story-line, "The Forever War," and he's indicated that he'll get to it by the fall..."

Printed Tidbits:

Tales of the TMNT #14 (August 2005): "The Forever War takes place in the Archie universe (it will simply be published by Mirage)."

Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Dean and Chris are slated to begin The Forever War any day now. Meanwhile, Chris will be handling the art chores on #18's "A Ghost Story"."

Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Well, while no Archie comic book series characters will be appearing in Tales, you can look forward to seeing Armaggon, Verminator-X and a whole lot of other Archie characters in The Forever War graphic novel, to be published some time in 2006."

Tales of the TMNT #7 (January 2005): "Them Adventures boys are working on Forever War but it may take awhile before it comes out; probably late 2005."

Tales of the TMNT #5 (September 2004): "Dean Clarrain and Chris Allan of the old TMNT Adventures comic book will return next issue for a non-Archie Universe Turtles tale and are slowly getting around to tackling the "Forever War" storyline."

Tales of the TMNT #3 (May 2004): "As far as them ever finishing and Mirage publishing "The Forever War" is concerned, that's always a possibility (one that has ben discussed off and on), although whether it would appear in its originally-conceived 110 pages is doubtful. We'll keep you posted."

*Weapon X* · 08-28-2005, 08:49 AM

Cool, I went to the site too, nice set up. Man I cant wait till the "Forever War" comes out. Then my Archie collection will be complete ans so will the story.

Kenton · 08-28-2005, 10:26 AM

So this is brand new? I should be able to find it then

Unlike the other comics, which are seeming to be impossible. Better look on ebay for them now.

darthsmozers · 08-28-2005, 12:40 PM

No, this comic book is NOT out yet. Not till 2006 I bet.

Jaf · 08-28-2005, 12:41 PM

Really cool idea, darthsmozers

If it helps create a «buzz» among fans and readers, then it can't be bad for the sales.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weapon X

Cool, I went to the site too, nice set up. Man I cant wait till the "Forever War" comes out. Then my Archie collection will be complete ans so will the story.

Jaf won't consider that continuity complete as long as the Ninjara spin-off is unfinished! Next thing to bug Allan & Clarrain about... Well, if Forever War is a success, maybe the Dean man will consider coming back to comic writing on a more regular basis.

And, an' me wants Talbot do more Inky stories!! Kwee-Gee-Bo!

Kenton · 08-28-2005, 12:44 PM

Oh it isn't out yet, darn. More waiting. Till then I guess I should start my collection off heh. But when it does come out I should be able to find it, I hope

*cowabunga14* · 08-28-2005, 03:01 PM

This graphic novel should be worth the wait. It'll be the first TMNT graphic novel to come out in a long time. Are they characters gonna be drawn Archie style? I don't mind if they are. I haven't read Archie and I would like to. What would be a good TMNTA comic to get used to and really enjoy?

darthsmozers · 08-28-2005, 05:00 PM

yes, chris allan will be doing pencils, so it will be in the style of the last 40 or so issues of the archie series.

Aztec General · 08-29-2005, 03:28 PM

Although I wasn't a huge Archie TMNT fan, the covers look amazing for this series. Add in the fact that Mirage allows for graphic violence and the occassional swear word, and this GN could be amazing. I'm very excited and I'll pick it up as soon as it becomes available.

darthsmozers · 08-29-2005, 06:35 PM

the covers look amazing for this series

Those were potential covers for the original issues that were never produced. We don't know if they'd be included.

Got a new update on the project today. We may be waiting a little longer. I'll update the above list and my site tonight or tomorrow.

*Spitfire* · 08-29-2005, 07:03 PM

This is sad they got lazy and their cutting down the ammount of pages. Those lame asses <_<

Space Lieutenant Josh · 08-29-2005, 09:34 PM

Yeah, it's gone down from zero (and never) to a full graphic novel that we'll get to read.

I'm just gonna appreciate what comes. One of my big qualms with the Archie series was its never having come together. Hell, if they can do it in fewer pages, at least they're doing it.

darthsmozers · 08-30-2005, 04:46 AM

Updated it this morning.

*Jephael* · 08-30-2005, 06:52 PM

As happy as I'll be to see this, it kinda bums me out that they won't be incorporating the Mutanimals. It would be such a great opportunity to being back those characters. Oh well, you never know what the future might hold.

darthsmozers · 09-02-2005, 01:36 PM

The Mutanimals died.

OA · 09-02-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthsmozers

The Mutanimals died.

Since when did that mean in a thing in the comic world...?

*Weapon X* · 09-02-2005, 03:56 PM

Hmmmm mybe Slash will return after plunging into the sun.

*Spitfire* · 09-02-2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthsmozers

The Mutanimals died.

Your forgetting that we're dealing with time travel here. What's to stop them from going back to prevent the Mutimamials from dieing. Since Null had them killed to mess up the timeline to begin with. They might have to it could change their future.

*Weapon X* · 09-03-2005, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Your forgetting that we're dealing with time travel here. What's to stop them from going back to prevent the Mutimamials from dieing. Since Null had them killed to mess up the timeline to begin with. They might have to it could change their future.

See theres always a way, and that would be pretty cool.

darthsmozers · 09-03-2005, 10:52 AM

never thought of that

Gosh, can you imagine how many characters COULD appear in this eventual arc? Al' Falqua, Katmandu, the Mutanimals, Verminator X, Armaggon, Shredder, TMNT, Splinter, that Israel demon lady, Ninjara, Sarnath?? (but he died too, right?) Cudley the Cowlick....

then again, maybe most of them won't??

08-28-2005, 12:44 PM	#6
Kenton Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 225	Oh it isn't out yet, darn. More waiting. Till then I guess I should start my collection off heh. But when it does come out I should be able to find it, I hope __________________ Visit Indie Electricity

08-29-2005, 03:28 PM	#9
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Although I wasn't a huge Archie TMNT fan, the covers look amazing for this series. Add in the fact that Mirage allows for graphic violence and the occassional swear word, and this GN could be amazing. I'm very excited and I'll pick it up as soon as it becomes available. __________________

08-28-2005, 07:45 AM	#1
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	The Forever War: Up-To-Date Info and Details Updated 8/30/2005 THE INFO. BELOW IS NOW AVAILABLE ON THE WEB: http://home.comcast.net/~jsmo2283/theforeverwar/ Keep in mind the site will look better in the coming days. For now, I just wanted to get it up on the web for easier access. Introduction: I thought I'd start a topic on the upcoming Mirage publication of the lost Archie Comics TMNT storyline, "The Forever War". I'llt ry to compile all information in this one place. As the project gets closer to reality day by day, I think it would be beneficial to have this open. I'll try to update as much as possible. Email Exchanges with Steve Murhpy: First and foremost, I'd like to share some Email exchanges I've had with Steve Murphy regarding the project (in reverse chronological order). Note that I trimmed some of them down to make sense and to respect the fact t hat he wanted me to keep any guessing or speculation on his part under wraps until the project moved further along. August 29, 2005: "FYI - Chris is currently handling the art to Tales #19, due out in January. But Dean has yet to turn in a script for The Forever War. As a result I've had to remove the title from our production schedule and now treat it as a "when it comes in, it comes in" sort of thing. That is, when Dean turns in the script, and providing it gets approved by Peter Laird, only then will I put the book back on the production schedule. ...he has promised to write TFW and he's always kept his word in the past so I have faith that he'll do it. I just hope he does it soon!" June 11 and July 14, 2004: I sent Steve Murphy quotes from right here, the boards at TheTechnodrome.com, to help cement theidea that there would be fan support for the project. Below are those quotes, to which he replied by syaing he didn't realize how much interest there would be, and he would pass them on to Dean and Chris (Chirs even featured this in one of his daily journals): "I think the artist you mean is Chris Allan. The only work of his I know of besides TMNTA, however, is issues #26-28 of "Knuckles The Echidna". He's my fav turtle artist too." - Dec. 26, 2002 by"ChibiKasai" "I as well was very sad when the archie series ended I was really looking forward and still do till this day to know what was going to happen in the forever war the picture in the advertisement was so awesome I really really want to know what that story is about" - Oct. 19, 2003, by "Putrescent" "I love this series! I still mourn its untimely cancellation. Overall, I would consider this to be the most consistent TMNT series in terms of quality and story. It's not the "kiddie" TMNT book! Read it!" - Feb. 24, 2004, by "Roseangelo" "Yeah, once Allan takes over the art is fabulous." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "Roseangelo" "[It'd] be cool to see Allan's take on the Turtles today." - Feb. 25, 2004, by "MrPliggins" "it's a shame that the next shredder story line never came about "the Forever War" I would love to see the art and read the stories for it I wish I knew how to contact the artist about it." - May 14, 2004, by "Putrescent" "Hey everyone Vaughn Michael here not sure if anyone has gotten Issue # 3 of tales of TMNT yet but in the letters section they spoke of thinking of bring the long lost last chapter of the archie series out! Now to me thats freaking amazingly great news and should be brought out everyone should write to Mirage and tell them to pleaee bring it out. I know I'm going to I've wanted to read this story for so damn long....and to me the archie series is incomplete without this storyline being printed! so please everyone go pester the mirage guys to bring this out! " "you and me both and we can only hope they bring it out. i'll be the happiest guy alive if they do! " "Wow, now that is some awesomely hot s**" "raises glass* This one's to you, Mr. Laird. Wow, this is amazing news. The Archie TMNT are by far my favorite incarnation of the characters, next to Eastman and/or Laird-written Mirage stories. This has really got me excited. " "I'd love to see the Forever War finally released/Adapted, Tales of the TMNT would be a great place to bring it back" "That's f* great news....I can't wait to hear more about this." "I don't really care HOW many parts it has! I just want to see it really happen! I got soooooo mad at Archie for dropping the series before they came out with "Future War" that I fumed about it for weeks afterwards!" June 4, 2004: "It is definitely in the works... or at least both Dean and Chris say they'll tackle it and Pete has given it his approval. Granted, if Dean doesn't come through then the project is off. Earliest publication scenario is summer 2005." June 4, 2004: "Well, Archie Comics is out of the picture. Our plan with Forever War is to print it as a Mirage book, a roughly 96-page graphic novel in black and white, with Chris doing the pencils (but I haven't looked for an inker yet). The book would be a stand-alone issue but will be clearly identified as part of the "TMNT Adventures" universe (and it will be explained that it was intended to be of the Archie comics universe, post issue 72), not the Mirage comics universe." June 4, 2004: "I've also been bugging him to finish off the "last" "lost" TMNT Adventures story-line, "The Forever War," and he's indicated that he'll get to it by the fall..." Printed Tidbits:** Tales of the TMNT #14 (August 2005): "The Forever War takes place in the Archie universe (it will simply be published by Mirage)." Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Dean and Chris are slated to begin The Forever War any day now. Meanwhile, Chris will be handling the art chores on #18's "A Ghost Story"." Tales of the TMNT #11 (May 2005): "Well, while no Archie comic book series characters will be appearing in Tales, you can look forward to seeing Armaggon, Verminator-X and a whole lot of other Archie characters in The Forever War graphic novel, to be published some time in 2006." Tales of the TMNT #7 (January 2005): "Them Adventures boys are working on Forever War but it may take awhile before it comes out; probably late 2005." Tales of the TMNT #5 (September 2004): "Dean Clarrain and Chris Allan of the old TMNT Adventures comic book will return next issue for a non-Archie Universe Turtles tale and are slowly getting around to tackling the "Forever War" storyline." Tales of the TMNT #3 (May 2004): "As far as them ever finishing and Mirage publishing "The Forever War" is concerned, that's always a possibility (one that has ben discussed off and on), although whether it would appear in its originally-conceived 110 pages is doubtful. We'll keep you posted." Last edited by darthsmozers; 08-30-2005 at 04:45 AM.

08-28-2005, 08:49 AM	#2
Weapon X Turtle Power! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,744	Cool, I went to the site too, nice set up. Man I cant wait till the "Forever War" comes out. Then my Archie collection will be complete ans so will the story.

08-28-2005, 10:26 AM	#3
Kenton Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 225	So this is brand new? I should be able to find it then Unlike the other comics, which are seeming to be impossible. Better look on ebay for them now. __________________ Visit Indie Electricity

08-28-2005, 12:40 PM	#4
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	No, this comic book is NOT out yet. Not till 2006 I bet.

08-28-2005, 03:01 PM	#7
cowabunga14 Lover of Weird Things Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,014	This graphic novel should be worth the wait. It'll be the first TMNT graphic novel to come out in a long time. Are they characters gonna be drawn Archie style? I don't mind if they are. I haven't read Archie and I would like to. What would be a good TMNTA comic to get used to and really enjoy? __________________ How can something so beautiful shine on something so dreadful?

08-28-2005, 05:00 PM	#8
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	yes, chris allan will be doing pencils, so it will be in the style of the last 40 or so issues of the archie series.

08-29-2005, 06:35 PM	#10
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	the covers look amazing for this series Those were potential covers for the original issues that were never produced. We don't know if they'd be included. Got a new update on the project today. We may be waiting a little longer. I'll update the above list and my site tonight or tomorrow.

08-29-2005, 07:03 PM	#11
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	This is sad they got lazy and their cutting down the ammount of pages. Those lame asses <_< __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

08-29-2005, 09:34 PM	#12
Space Lieutenant Josh Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Village of Rock'n Kick-Ass Posts: 492	Yeah, it's gone down from zero (and never) to a full graphic novel that we'll get to read. I'm just gonna appreciate what comes. One of my big qualms with the Archie series was its never having come together. Hell, if they can do it in fewer pages, at least they're doing it.

08-30-2005, 04:46 AM	#13
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	Updated it this morning.

08-30-2005, 06:52 PM	#14
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	As happy as I'll be to see this, it kinda bums me out that they won't be incorporating the Mutanimals. It would be such a great opportunity to being back those characters. Oh well, you never know what the future might hold. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

09-02-2005, 01:36 PM	#15
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	The Mutanimals died.

09-02-2005, 03:56 PM	#17
Weapon X Turtle Power! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,744	Hmmmm mybe Slash will return after plunging into the sun.

09-03-2005, 10:52 AM	#20
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	never thought of that Gosh, can you imagine how many characters COULD appear in this eventual arc? Al' Falqua, Katmandu, the Mutanimals, Verminator X, Armaggon, Shredder, TMNT, Splinter, that Israel demon lady, Ninjara, Sarnath?? (but he died too, right?) Cudley the Cowlick.... then again, maybe most of them won't??