Raphael is cool, but rude? [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

Zenrick

12-08-2002, 11:18 AM

The TRUE Raph is the cartoon Raph, the comic and what-not doesnt compare. Did they become popular from the comic? No, they were recognized. The cartoon made them what they are. I agree Duke that the whole Splinter concept in the movie was rather retarded. How can a rat come close to scratching a sweet dude like Shredder? He'd have chopped that rat into a million pieces before it even left the ground, can rats even leave the ground without someone kicking them?? Man. Might as well just make April an infant that gets ooze poured on her, but since she was raised by her mother who likes bananas, she becomes a young woman whom likes yellow. Thats just as well thought out.

[Edit: Removed racial comments. --Krang]

Duke

12-08-2002, 11:24 AM

Sorry Karpo_007 but I'm going to have to agree with Zenrick on this one. Who cares if it represented the comic? Yeah I love the comic but the show was the one that truely started it all. Without the cartoon I would probably never have read a single comic. There is nothing that beats the cartoon. Come on, I dare anyone to post something that beats the cartoon. And if you are stupid enough to try, I am not sorry to tell you that your wrong.

heretic888

12-08-2002, 11:46 AM

hooo boy.

Raph in the cartoon was far better, but i don't think i go as far as butched just miss represented him

Actually, the Raphael of the cartoon was the one misrepresented. His character was horribly butchered in the cartoon series (along with Michelangelo's), and reduced to a cliched stereotype. The comic Raph (and Mike) had some actual depth of character.

If they took time to butcher anything it was not making splinter human before he was a rat. The dumbest part of the movie was when the little rat was doing ninjitsu in the cage. Come on think things through, you stupid hollywood movie money grubbers.

Actually, genius, that comes from the original comic series, of which the movie was an adaptation. It was NOT an adaptation of the cartoon. :roll:

The TRUE Raph is the cartoon Raph, the comic and what-not doesnt compare.

Incorrect. The characters of the comic series were not only the original formats of these characters, they also were the ones that represented them the truest. Rapahel, along with the other turtles, of the comic book was a real character with actual depth and intrigue. The cartoon was a simplistic, childish cliche stereotype which, although entertaining to children, hardly compares to fullness of the comic book archetypes.

Did they become popular from the comic? No, they were recognized. The cartoon made them what they are.

You could not be any more wrong on that one. The cartoon was what made the turtles popular and what got Mirage rich. What 'made them what they are' was the depth and richness of the original comic book series. Just because the cartoon reached a wider audience (mostly children) does not mean it in any way defines the true characters.

I agree Duke that the whole Splinter concept in the movie was rather retarded.

It came from the original comic, genius, and, as far out as it seems, is still a hell of lot more realistic and believable than the cartoon plot.

Besides, the point of a story in truly great works of independent art is to express deep themes and archetypal energies and feelings. You won't find any of that in the cartoon. Almost everything in the origin story of the comic, however, has a symbolic significance.

[Edit: Removed quote of post above. --Krang]

Shellfox

12-08-2002, 11:57 AM

I agree Duke that the whole Splinter concept in the movie was rather retarded.

It came from the original comic, genius, and, as far out as it seems, is still a hell of lot more realistic and believable than the cartoon plot.

Realistic? Its a rat learning martial arts, I'm the first to admit Rats are smart but they are not that smart. As far as splinter goes its more beliveable for him to be human.

Duke

12-08-2002, 12:03 PM

Yeah, thanks for the insite their heretic888 but I'm sticking with Shellfox on this one. Splinter should have been human. If not, where did he learn martial arts? When he was still in a cage? How is that realistic? I just can't comprehend that concept at all. Maybe its just me. And its just my opinion that the cartoon truely started it all. I'm sorry if you took offense to that. But speaking from personal experience every one I know got into the turtles because of the cartoon.

BigThew

12-08-2002, 12:18 PM

basically it all boils down to what you think the Ture TMNT universe is

is it the comic?
is it the cartoon?
"the cartoon made them popular"
"but without no comic there wouldn't be a cartoon"

there are 2 sides to this and no one will come to a conclusion

Duke

12-08-2002, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by heretic888
Just because the cartoon mass-popularized the characters does not mean it defines them. The apex of the turtle archetypes is hardly limited to the amusement of children.

I'm 18 and in no way do I not still find the cartoon amusing. Not only do i still found it very amusing, but must you my college friends do too and the majority are older than me.

Deathknight

12-08-2002, 12:56 PM

Realistic? Its a rat learning martial arts, I'm the first to admit Rats are smart but they are not that smart. As far as splinter goes its more beliveable for him to be human.

A rat learning a martial art like Ninpo is not quite as far-fetched as you might think. Ninpo is based on refining flow and natural body movement, not memorizing preset movements like karate is. It is till unrealistic though... however, it is nowhere near as unrealistic as the idea of a mutagenic agent that can 'turn' you into whatever animal you last touched. That's just stupid. A hyper-evolutionary agent could at least be credible (although still highly dubious).
You just majorly dissed yourself there, mutagen, or some kind of mutating material is how the turtles were created in all the tmnt universes. As for a rat learning ninjitsu, I highly doubt that a rat could mimic it and remember it well enough to teach it even though Splinter getting mutated highly raised his intelligence.

heretic888

12-08-2002, 12:57 PM

I'm 18 and in no way do I not still find the cartoon amusing. Not only do i still found it very amusing, but must you my college friends do too and the majority are older than me.

I am 20, and I too still find the series amusing. However, I am not going to pretend that the range of depth in the series, as well as its motive and purpose, was anything but the amusement of children.

MzTheInsomniac

12-08-2002, 12:57 PM

Deathknight

12-08-2002, 12:59 PM

true.........

Karpo_007

12-08-2002, 01:01 PM

Well It isn't ment to be realistic, But the Mutagen and Ooze are completely diffrent things. Ooze evolves Life forms where Mutagen changes life forms appearence to last life form he touched.

Basicly wich is more realistic is a matter of opinion, but the fact is that the origin story was changed because there couldn't have been death in the cartoon.

Duke

12-08-2002, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Deathknight
As for a rat learning ninjitsu, I highly doubt that a rat could mimic it and remember it well enough to teach it even though Splinter getting mutated highly raised his intelligence.
Yeah because you have to remember that he would have had to learn the ninjitsu before he ever increased his intelligence

Zenrick

12-08-2002, 01:02 PM

Well It isn't ment to be realistic, But the Mutagen and Ooze are completely diffrent things. Ooze evolves Life forms where Mutagen changes life forms appearence to last life form he touched.

Basicly wich is more realistic is a mater of opinion, but the fact is that the origin story was changed because there couldn't have been death in the cartoon.

Many flies died in the cartoon. DEATH! *gasp!*

heretic888

12-08-2002, 01:03 PM

You just majorly dissed yourself there, mutagen, or some kind of mutating material is how the turtles were created in all the tmnt universes. As for a rat learning ninjitsu, I highly doubt that a rat could mimic it and remember it well enough to teach it even though Splinter getting mutated highly raised his intelligence.

Ninpo is about refining natural movement and flow, not memorizing preset dances as in most martial arts.

And, as I said previously, the realism factor is irrelevant. The expression of creative depth THROUGH the plot is what matters, and only the Mirage tmnt deliver on this (although the Archie do to a much lesser degree).

Karpo_007

12-08-2002, 01:05 PM

The cartoon had a pretty good plot in the first season. Nothing compared to Mirage or Archie of course but it was still good.

BigThew

12-08-2002, 02:23 PM

JUTS IGNORE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING YOU MAD

and get back on topic...raph seemed like a smart allic in the cartoon and very disturbed in the cartoon

MzTheInsomniac

12-08-2002, 02:26 PM

he didnt seem disturbed in the cartoon

Karpo_007

12-08-2002, 02:26 PM

Ok back to the topic. Raphael is cool but rude. I guess he is.

Zenrick

12-08-2002, 02:27 PM

JUTS IGNORE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING YOU MAD

and get back on topic...raph seemed like a smart allic in the cartoon and very disturbed in the cartoon

Both in the cartoon? I really didnt care for him in the movie, he was too hot headed and irritating. When I saw that movie, I was like "Whoa! the funny one's second line is 'damn'" I thought that was very strange. The new cartoon so far looks promising......I'm sure they'll probably stick with the same personalities.

Have you seen the new action figures!?!? They're AWESOME!!!!!

BigThew

12-08-2002, 02:28 PM

scratch that i mean to say Disturbed in the MOVIE

my fault :lol: :D

Karpo_007

12-08-2002, 02:29 PM

Yes the personalities in the new cartoon are pretty much like in the first movie. I hope that from now on you can quit being a jerk. Looks good so far.

PWDESAI

12-08-2002, 02:36 PM

i like the cartoon raph better, he always had something funny to say.

BigThew

12-08-2002, 02:56 PM

yes..leo is the best turtle of all time

Greed

12-08-2002, 02:58 PM

Leo snucks Raph is numba 1

Zenrick

12-08-2002, 02:59 PM

Leo snucks Raph is numba 1

I dont think Leo snucks. hmmmmm.whatever snucks is :) Raph is rad too, but I love Leo.

Duke

12-08-2002, 02:59 PM

Leo snucks Raph is numba 1

What is snucks? And Leo is #1 has been and always will be.

Greed

12-08-2002, 03:04 PM

Snucks = sucks

MzTheInsomniac

12-08-2002, 03:13 PM

Leo snucks Raph is numba 1

What is snucks? And Leo is #1 has been and always will be.

than why is mike your avatar?

PWDESAI

12-08-2002, 03:27 PM

LEONARDO ALL THE WAY!!!!

Greed

12-08-2002, 03:29 PM

Who are you people

Zenrick

12-08-2002, 05:13 PM

than why is mike your avatar?

You'll have to excuse duke, he's a little slow. Great he will murder me for writing that AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

go Leo!!!!! *slash*

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 02:05 AM

Tell me about it. But it seems that guy has started to make intelligent coversation.

Krang

12-09-2002, 03:46 AM

Ok, I split the arguments into another topic, so I will deal with them there:
http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1558

heretic888

12-09-2002, 08:36 AM

for the record, in case any of you haven't figured out by now, i am exceedingly pleased that the new tmnt animated series is based on the original mirage comic series. this goes for raphael's 'rude' character. i am, however, somewhat displeased with the description of mike's character..... hmmm. only time will tell, i suppose.

raphael90

12-09-2002, 09:14 AM

Raphael being my favorite Turtle of the bunch, I have to say I like both of them. The cartoon Raphael is cool because he cracks alot of good lines and he brings things into a more realistic point of view.

The movie Raph I like too because he's so relatable to me...I'm kinda like him in a way. Like me, he has alot of anger and sarcasm at times. He also wanted to fight crime his way and not wait for the other Turtles. A folly in some ways and a true asset in other ways.

Plus April seemed to like him best... :wink:

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 10:17 AM

I worried about Mike too. The other profiles seem fine, but Mike is a bit off.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 02:08 PM

^ Should be reported to a mod ASAP :roll:

Sheesh, with all this fighting going on lately we might need a larger staff :o :o

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 02:09 PM

Yeah, I have been thinking about that too. Some extra Moderator wouldn't be bad.

Zenrick

12-09-2002, 02:12 PM

^ Should be reported to a mod ASAP :roll:

Sheesh, with all this fighting going on lately we might need a larger staff :o :o

WHAT HAVE I STARTED!?!?!!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :P I didnt mean to be a jackass about that heretic fellow, he just brought it out in me ;)

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:13 PM

I second that Karpo a few extra moderators would be great!

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 02:18 PM

GRRR, you mean third it, I came up with the idea, I deserve the credit, lol.

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:22 PM

*Falls over all gummed up with tape*

Oops sorry Tokka! Typical case of me trying to do too many things at once :|

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 02:23 PM

Wallhack, wheeljack, PWDESAI, whatever the heck you name is, NO more insulting please!

I believe this is the THIRD time i've had to warn you in this FORUM alone. Stop with the immature idiocy, go do something if you dont want to talk to the good folks here, and stop giving us troubles!

Official Moderator warning #3...I"m gonna ask Krang if we can have Moderators Cross forums....this is ridiculous....

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 02:23 PM

Hey, take it easy man, it's nothing to get worried about, no problem :wink: :)

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:24 PM

ummm i'm not wallhack... hence wheeljack and wallhack are two different words :-? :-?

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:25 PM

Really, somebody find a certain Blue turtle his powers are needed at the moment...

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:25 PM

o yea this is my 2nd warning... so if u want to be bitch to me when i don't even do anything fine...

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:26 PM

Man!?! Hmm maybe the army boots where too much :lol:

I agree Machias

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 02:26 PM

I tought so. Machias, I think you are blaming Paul without a reason this time. If they were same person, Krang would know it by IP.

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:27 PM

thank you...

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:28 PM

maybe it is felix again :dead:

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:29 PM

it was fenix, and no he doesn't do that stuff anymore, i dont know why he did it in the first place, but i know him and i doubt it's him. I think wallhack is a cheat in counter strike maybe that's why he chose that name..?

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 02:29 PM

Actually, I have just be informed that you have a same ip than wallhack. Why are you doing this?

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 02:30 PM

Krang is on, he will deal with this Properly....

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:31 PM

bah you are a total bitch... it's not me yet you discrimante against me... I don't have to stand for this **** i'm leaving

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 02:31 PM

Good. These last few days have been, well not so fun.

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:32 PM

fine, I can't say you will be missed

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:33 PM

Actually, I have just be informed that you have a same ip than wallhack. Why are you doing this?

Simple Karpo he feeds off the attention he gets

*Waves ta ta to Paul* Only I feel your treat to leave is indeed an empty one

PWDESAI

12-09-2002, 02:34 PM

that's nice why don't you go take ur crappy flash cartoons and shove em, you know where

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 02:35 PM

It'll be nice to be able to read a thread without getting a "you friggin f*gs..." stuck up your face.
Have you guys ever experienced something similar here before?

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:35 PM

Still here Paul!?!

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 02:35 PM

PWDESAI, if all you can do is just give immature comments, please just go.

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:37 PM

heh... and I helped you learn flash, geez just leave already.

Sparvid

12-09-2002, 02:42 PM

To get this back on topic: Can somebody explain to me how cartoon-Raph is different than the Mirage/movie-Raph (which is the only one I know)?

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:46 PM

I think mainly because his character was designed with children in mind. But, hey, I could be wrong :|

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 02:49 PM

Cartoon Raph: Sarcastic Joker

Mirage Raph: Dark, angry, hot-headed

Archie: I think is a nice mix of both... :D :lol:

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:51 PM

I like Raph to have a sarcry side :D kinda makes Raph Raph in my mind

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:53 PM

I like the mix, Mirage raph is cool and cartoon raph's sarcasim can be preety funny. So it is a good combination

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 02:54 PM

"The mix"? Archie? ..?

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 02:56 PM

Archie Comics...

They started as a spin-off of the cartoons, but evolved into their own Wonderful world of thier own... :D I think the characters get a lil mix of both the cartoon and the Mirage in them...gotta look a lil closely, but you can see it.

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 02:56 PM

you know, the archie comic books, they had a TMNT series for a while....

SeaThreePeeO

12-09-2002, 02:56 PM

Archies was another comic book series, but I know little about that :|

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 03:06 PM

Whoo! I know about Archie, Its the one I grew up with. Also its the one I'm recollecting. I've just never considered Archie a 'mix' of Mirage and the cartoon, but maybe thats quite accurate.
But I have to say, Archie's by far my favorite. Guess its because I loooove Ninjara. Plus she is my favorite TMNT character to draw. Quite complicated, which is a very good thing

Machias Banshee

12-09-2002, 03:08 PM

Yay, another Archie fan!!!! :D

I have The Blindsight Series, and the Early Years. I want to gwet some more, but theyre hard to find in today's market... :(

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 03:10 PM

Most people here seem to be either Mirage or Cartoon followers (sounds quite extreme) But maybe thats just on the surface?

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 03:23 PM

Archies are quite easy to get online. And they are not really that expensive either. And yeah archie hadmuch more deeper plot than the cartoon, not as deep as Mirage of course but still it was enjoyable.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 03:31 PM

Yea, and take Karpo's word on this, I think he probably knows the most about comics than mostly anyone I know, heh. Oh, and sorry about saying the cartoon was better having not read the comics before, I guess I never realized the comics brought tmnt up, heh.

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 03:36 PM

Actually that might be right. If you read Mirage before watching the cartoon, you could have get angry for what they did to the concept. I think it's better I started with the cartoon and the advanced to the more mature level of TMNT.

When i was 6, I wouldn't have understand anything about Mirage anyway. If you were Kid in the 80's like me, Now is probably the right time to start reading Mirage.

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 03:38 PM

Yeah, Karpo seems to know close to everything about the TMNT. Mirage would surely be my universe of choise if it werent for Archie. I never really liked the cartoon, guess thats why it ended up Archie.

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 03:43 PM

Well Heretic is probably the Highest level of Miragist here. :wink: I own all the comics, but haven't got time to read them too much yet. Il try read one comic book per day but school tends to get in the way...

And Im still watching the cartoon. I have the full series of that in Divx format and around 25 ep or so before I have watched all of it.

As for archie, that is the Universe I knoe the least. I had most of those that were released in Finland, but not all archie books were released here. I remember lot about the first issues but the later ones weren't released here.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 03:47 PM

Well, I was a kid in the 80's.....just a very young kid......hehehe

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 03:48 PM

Didnt they release the later issues in Finland? Thats strange, as far as I know, all of it was released here in Sweden (maybe not all of those special issues, though). But if I recall right, TMNT were quite a hit when it came to Sweden. Maybe less succes in Finland?

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 03:50 PM

I was born in 85. First issue of TMNT was released in 84. Heck The comic is older than me!

I think it was about 1990 when TMNt hit Finland. There were toys, VhS and Archie. The first 3 seasons were even on tv, but I think we got the Hero turtle versions. Im sure that as a kid, I wouldn't have liked Mirage. The cartoon is really good entertainment for kids, But now that Im older im a true Mirage TMNT fan.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 03:56 PM

I was born in early 86, I started liking the turtles in like 90 so I missed quite a few seasons, that is the reason I want them on dvd, you rave on the first few seasons so I'd really like to see them... :cry:

You were born in 85? What month?!

Deepflame

12-09-2002, 03:56 PM

Ohh, yeah. We got the TMHT (hero) too, ridiculous realy. (and with that I mean the name)

I was born in 88, woke up right in the storm. But it was a little to late for me, it was over before I realy understood that I was a fan :(

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 03:59 PM

February 17.1985. That's my birthday.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 04:00 PM

Sorry man, I feel bad for you... :( We can only hope for the dvds..... :cry:

Dang, that's over a year earlier than me....I was born on April 26, 1986.

azure turtle

12-09-2002, 04:49 PM

Wow... I feel old. :razz: I was born in '83 and first became a fan around '88. I loyally watched the TMNT cartoon for years.

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 04:49 PM

All 10 years?

MzTheInsomniac

12-09-2002, 04:53 PM

thats a long time

azure turtle

12-09-2002, 04:53 PM

Nope. Only caught a few of the Red Sky eps. I didn't like them too much, so I didn't make any extra effort to watch them. Of course, now I'm regretting that decision.

Karpo_007

12-09-2002, 04:53 PM

Yes it is. Especially for a cartoon.

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 05:08 PM

Yea, that's pretty long, but who cares? I still watch cartoons and I am 16. Although none of them relly are targeted toward young kids..

MzTheInsomniac

12-09-2002, 05:39 PM

i watch adult swim occasionally

Greed

12-09-2002, 05:46 PM

Yea, that's pretty long, but who cares? I still watch cartoons and I am 16. Although none of them relly are targeted toward young kids..

There is a lot of cartoon Meant for the older generation like Adult Swim's programs

MzTheInsomniac

12-09-2002, 05:59 PM

they have it on late for a reason though

Zenrick

12-09-2002, 05:59 PM

There is a lot of cartoon Meant for the older generation like Adult Swim's programs

Like Cowboy Bebop!!! My favorite NEW cartoon! :o) I dont like the fact that its on american t.v. though, we always seem to ruin good stuff.
Man, it seems like a lot fo you are really young :o( *feeling so old!* I was born in 1980 and the turtles came around when I was in elementary school........I still remember the exact day, time and first episode I ever saw. I was an addict since!

Nturtle

12-09-2002, 06:29 PM

well age range around here is from about 14 all the way up to old foggies like HT!!! :P who is around 27 I belive. But the median is roughley 19 or so I would say

Tokka-B

12-09-2002, 07:03 PM

Yea, early 80's is probly a better time to be born if you are a turtles addict... :(

Zenrick

12-09-2002, 07:04 PM

well age range around here is from about 14 all the way up to old foggies like HT!!! :P who is around 27 I belive. But the median is roughley 19 or so I would say

Ok sweet!! *feeling not so old now* ;) I'll just have to keep excercising to make myself feel young..........*needs energy!!!*

Shellfox

12-09-2002, 08:22 PM

80s is the only decade worth being born in, A-Team, TMNT, Transformers, GI Joe, He-Man... man I miss those times

Oh and a messeage about Adult Swim, yes its on late night, but I read a thing about a bunch of parents going nuts about it, saying how they do nothing to sway kids from watching it and its curropting them with bad words.
OK 1. Find out what your kid is watching, take some degree of responciblity.
2. Its on late when kids should be asleep
3. They have warning messeage before each ep, what do you mean they don't try and warn kids :roll:
Some people.

Oh and I was born in 82, I think the first TMNT ep I watched was Attack of the killer pizzas, it was on Sunday morning, I want to say 9:00 am

MzTheInsomniac

12-10-2002, 03:57 PM

the turtles started in 87 i was born in 87 i have been a fan ever since

Zenrick

12-10-2002, 04:58 PM

the turtles started in 87 i was born in 87 i have been a fan ever since

Wow, '87. Thats young!! :) *feeling really old once again* So you actually watched the show before you turned one?? Thats amazing. I didnt even know how to poop.....impressive :P

MzTheInsomniac

12-10-2002, 06:48 PM

BIC Donie

12-12-2002, 10:57 PM

Zenrick

12-12-2002, 11:35 PM

But Zenrick had understanding
:-? :-? :-?
quote:
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Originally posted by TMNTmz87:
the turtles started in 87 i was born in 87 i have been a fan ever since
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Will just stop, you are no ninja turtle fan ok?? You called Raphael Ralf in general discussions........you crack me up dude, I want to slap you.......:)

Nickokapo

12-12-2002, 11:54 PM

Bah leave him alone zenrick, anybody can make a mistake :P
And yes, i was also born in '87, which is the same year the toon first aired, weird huh? :P

Zenrick

12-13-2002, 12:02 AM

Bah leave him alone zenrick, anybody can make a mistake :P
And yes, i was also born in '87, which is the same year the toon first aired, weird huh? :P

its ok we're friends Nicko ;) he's my neighbor.........he gets picked on a lot by us, but he does the picking too.....a good guy he is :P

Nickokapo

12-13-2002, 12:04 AM

Neighbor eh...for some reason that's kinda hard to believe...specially when you are from virginia and he's from mexico :P

Zenrick

12-13-2002, 12:10 AM

Neighbor eh...for some reason that's kinda hard to believe...specially when you are from virginia and he's from mexico :P

haha, I'm from California, but we're both going to school in Virginia.

Sparvid

12-13-2002, 05:32 AM

You called Raphael Ralf in general discussionsMaybe that is what he's called in Germany..? ;) :lol:

Karpo_007

12-13-2002, 05:47 AM

Ralf? I think you should call him Raph or Raphael around here...

Nickokapo

12-13-2002, 06:57 AM

Maybe that is what he's called in Germany..? ;) :lol:
Nah, i'm guessing in germany he'd have a weird name like rephhuggentzein or whatever...or just raphael :P
Here in latinamerica he was called Rafael, that might be why he put raf in the poll.

haha, I'm from California, but we're both going to school in Virginia.
Ohhh, otay zen :D
Ralf? I think you should call him Raph or Raphael around here...
Agreed :P that way it'll be less confusing for most people.