Which is the better version of the origin of Splinter?

[Duke]

So which one do you like? The cartoon version where Splinter is a human then mutated into a rat or the comic/movie version where he has always been a rat. I just want to know.

[Zenrick]

Of course the cartoon, anyone that thinks differently would have to be a Wiccan or something. :)

[Shellfox]

Like I said eairler today the cartoon makes more sence, A rat learning martial arts in a cage is hard to believe. Rats are highly intelligent, and can do more than humans give them credit, but learning martial arts goes beyond what rodents are capable of.

[Nickokapo]

I prefer the cartoon one not only because it was the one i like the most and the first one i saw but also because the idea of a rat mimicking the moves of his master was ridiculous :goofygri:

[Zenrick]

I prefer the cartoon one not only because it was the one i like the most and the first one i saw but also because the idea of a rat mimicking the moves of his master was ridiculous :goofygri:

AMEN.............why dont the comic lovers and promoters have anything to say? COME ON!!! ;)

[Nickokapo]

Heh...dont worry, i'm sure we'll hear karpo's rant about the comic story being the true tmnt and all that stuff soon ;)

[Zenrick]

Heh...dont worry, i'm sure we'll hear karpo's rant about the comic story being the true tmnt and all that stuff soon ;)

........waiting :)

[Duke]

Yeah i started this poll because everyone just kept saying that the comic/movie version was so much better, but i just don't see them voting? I only asked the question because i wanted a majority opinion and so far the majority seems to agree with me. I know there most be more than 1 person who disagrees with me so please start voting. I won't arque you over it I just want to know what everyone thinks.

[Mondo_Gecko]

The cartoon one was the best, and yeah i hated the whole rat ninja thing as Nick said it was just plain silly.

[Greed]

The Archie/cartoon story is ok but the Mirage/movie one is way better

[Zenrick]

The Archie/cartoon story is ok but the Mirage/movie one is way better

yaaaaaaay! theres one! :)

the cartoon is still winning, bring more anti-cartooners in here Slash

[Shellfox]

Comic may have more depth, but givin the physics of the 2 realities only the cartoon could happen.
Rats simply don't have the mental capabilities to retain that much knowledge of martial arts

[Greed]

When I asked this Question people liked th mirage/movie I don't know what happened

[Nickokapo]

Maybe not many comic fans seen this one yet :ohwell:

[Greed]

yeah thats it

[Kali]

Comic may have more depth, but givin the physics of the 2 realities only the cartoon could happen.
Rats simply don't have the mental capabilities to retain that much knowledge of martial arts
Actually, rats are VERY intelligent. They remember and comprehend and lot more than humans give them credit for. If they weren't so smart, how come they survive so well, even with many people trying to kill them?

Suspending belief for the moment that either situation could actually occur, and based on my brand of logic, I have to vote for the Mirage/movie origin. But I would rather the cartoon origin be true, since there's a lot more variety in stories that way, from a fictional standpoint.

[Shellfox]

Kali if you read my first post I think I said rats were smarter than human give them credit for.
Yeah they'te smart they can memorise areas and patterns, understand images and scents. But to a degree the rats intelligence is also based in instinct. It understands inviroments so it can escape if hunted, being in a cage owned by humans his need to know how to survive will decrease. A rat will mimic a person but not graps many aspects of what its doing, nor can it mimic certain moves due to its anatomy. The degree of skill the Normal Rat Splinter would need for for the comic origin to be true simply can't exist dfue to the rats renintin capabilities. The instincs to survive would over ride the knowledge he learned reverting more to a primal nature making him forget most of it.

[Nickokapo]

I wouldn't think so deep about it, after all, it might've been kinda ridiculous, but it was aimed to be a parody (the first issue anyways) so the more ridiculous the funnier.
Of course, the tmnt popularity grew and the comic got serious...but still...

[Shellfox]

Sorry but I've been really into animals most of my life and know a lot of little details, that have no real importance

[Jephael]

I'm siding with the cartoon version on this one. It just made better sense.

[Kali]

Heh, I understand that a pet rat in a cage will not become a ninjutsu master. But obviously the mutagen effected Splinter's mind, and not just his body, giving him the ability to use what he'd absorbed. Like learning to talk. As a baby, we don't have the capablity to communicate very well, but as we grow we learn and are eventually able to speak. And then we read and gain knowledge. Splinter had many books on martial arts, I supect he learned most of it from that.

But the one thing I really did not like about Splinter in the cartoon was how he associated with being a rat. He used to be human, so you think he'd think like a human and associate himself as a human in a rat's body. But in the Shredder is Splintered (I think) Splinter says, "We rats can burrow through anything." I'm probably not making sense on this point, since I never could settle it out in my own mind.

[Zenrick]

I just thought it was hillarious how in the movie Hamato Yoshi was killed by Shredder, but yet all the damage Splinter recieved was a cut ear. And our fearless master did more damage to shredder than his master.....hmmmm, Yoshi must've been drunk or something, or maybe getting it on with his woman? either way he wouldn't've done much good against the shredster.....

[Nickokapo]

:lol: yeah, he killed yoshi but he couldnt kill a rat?
Or maybe he didnt wanted to kill it, but then why'd he cut his ear? :ohwell:

[Zenrick]

:lol: yeah, he killed yoshi but he couldnt kill a rat?
Or maybe he didnt wanted to kill it, but then why'd he cut his ear? :ohwell:

Yeah, and didnt he flee after chopping Splinty? hmmmmm, what a nerd! "Oh I've done all I can do here......quick! FLEE SHREDMAN!!!!"

[Greed]

he was afraid of getting rabies

[Kali]

LOL! Shredman, gotta remember that one.

But see, if Shredder had killed Splinter, then the story would be very different. Or maybe Saki just wanted to teach him a lesson. Scar Splinter, since Splinter scared Saki's face. Or maybe the cops were on their way and he couldn't finish it.

[Nickokapo]

Oh yah maybe he just wanted to scar him...well im sure glad splinter didn't died :D
He won't be able to use headphones anymore tho :oops: poor him.

[Shellfox]

Or Splinter got scared and hid after the year was cut off, lets face I would, and only came out after Shred had left to morn.

[Zenrick]

Or Splinter got scared and hid after the year was cut off, lets face I would, and only came out after Shred had left to morn.

maybe...........the Shredder is just a clumsy fellow I suppose, thats why he missed and only hit his ear? I dunno.......or maybe Krang bet him $20 to see if he could cut off part of a rats ear that day??? YEAH!!! That MUSE be it!! I know Krang wasnt in the story, but he shoul've. :)

[Nickokapo]

Yeah...it must've been krang, that gambler!

[Zenrick]

Yeah...it must've been krang, that gambler!

hahahahaha, they need to make the fact that he's an obsessive gambler a prominent trait in the next series......like SHredder will go try and get the turtles and Krang will say "I bet you 50 to 1 that you wont win!" hahaha that'd be great!

[Nickokapo]

Yeah...that's how he really lost his body, in a bet! :D

[Zenrick]

Yeah...that's how he really lost his body, in a bet! :D

hahaha, just like how Lando Calrissian (sp?) lost the Millenium Falcon to Han Solo in star wars.....I bet theres some little kid out there with Krang's body. I'm guessing Krang lost in a bet over how many jacks he could pick up and lost of course. The kid probably stores his action figures where Krang is supposed to sit

[Nickokapo]

Krang was playing against the kid in a fight of tmnt tournament fighters for snes and lost, so he now has no body! :P
And now getting back to the topic...um...go...splinter!

[Zenrick]

Krang was playing against the kid in a fight of tmnt tournament fighters for snes and lost, so he now has no body! :P
And now getting back to the topic...um...go...splinter!

hahaha, great game....I have both english and Japanese version on my computer, along with the 2 arcade games, and all the games for SNES, Genesis, and Game Boy.....gotta love them ;)

yeah......go SPLINTER!! Shredder is a weenie!

[Nickokapo]

Yeah i have all the roms!I do have turtles in time in both japanese and english, but i dont think i have tournament fighters in japanese :ohwell:
Oh well..
Yeah...shredder...is...a weenie :dead: ok i give up i cant get back on topic :evilgrin:

[Zenrick]

Yeah i have all the roms!I do have turtles in time in both japanese and english, but i dont think i have tournament fighters in japanese :ohwell:
Oh well..
Yeah...shredder...is...a weenie :dead: ok i give up i cant get back on topic :evilgrin:

hahaha, me either......hmmmmm.......new topic.........are rocksteady and bebop married to each other? If so, where was the honeymoon?

[Nickokapo]

No i don't think they're married :blanksta:
I hope not :blanksta:

[Greed]

I never thought bebop & Rocksteady were homo

[Nickokapo]

Me neither, since they're in a gang so you'd think they're all though and bad and stuff :P

[Zenrick]

No i don't think they're married :blanksta:
I hope not :blanksta:

Yeah, I think April and ROcky would've made a great couple.....he carries her on his shoulder so well......they might as well be making love in front of us!! Its sooo obvious!!!

[Nickokapo]

I thought April hated rocksteady :blanksta:

[Zenrick]

I thought April hated rocksteady :blanksta:

thats what they want you to think....I can see through their cover.......its so obvious!!! :)

[Kali]

Yeah, I think April and ROcky would've made a great couple.....he carries her on his shoulder so well......they might as well be making love in front of us!! Its sooo obvious!!!
This would be funny if I didn't know those pictures actually existed. *shudders*

[Nickokapo]

:sweatdro: yep...it's very disgusting.
But at least we won't see any "is rocksteady sexually frustrated??" topics now :P

[FreshRazz]

Cartoon made more sence to me...

[Zenrick]

:sweatdro: yep...it's very disgusting.
But at least we won't see any "is rocksteady sexually frustrated??" topics now :P

haha yeah, 'cause he is very HORNY hahahaha! get it!!?!?!? HORN Y aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....ok that was reaaaaaaly stupid. hmmmm *puts gun to mouth and squirts water inside*

[Nickokapo]

To me both made sense...but i prefer the toon one.
Horny...HA HA HA...HA.
Not funny :P

[Zenrick]

To me both made sense...but i prefer the toon one.
Horny...HA HA HA...HA.
Not funny :P

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, *points gun in your direction and squirts water all over your new armani suit* take that buddy!!!!

[Nickokapo]

The joke's on YOU!I'm not wearing an armani suit! :D

[BigThew]

I havn't read the comic..what is the comic's version of the origin of splinter

[Zenrick]

The joke's on YOU!I'm not wearing an armani suit! :D

grrrrrrrrrrr, CURSES!!! FOILED AGAIN!!!!!!

[Nickokapo]

:evilgrin: Indeed!
I always wear a raincoat, even when it doesn't rains...just to make sure y'know ;)

[Duke]

I havn't read the comic..what is the comic's version of the origin of splinter

It's like the movie version where splinter was always a rat. He learned ninjitsu and martial arts when he was still a rat in a cage. I'm sorry but that just sounds totally unrealistic to me, but every one has their own opinion.

[BigThew]

yeah that sounds really lame

[Nickokapo]

Agreed :P
As a parody of daredevil tho its kinda funny if you see it that way...but putting it into the movie...um...nononono :goofygri:

[Karpo_007]

Can someone honestly say that Human turning into a rat sounds any more realistic than a Rat learning Ninjitsu? Neither are realistic nor even ment to be. It's TMNT. This goes about the Third time now. The comic origin was changed only because it was too violent for a kiddies cartoon.

There is no point arguing wich is more realistic, if you like the cartoon better than the comics, then you like the kiddies origin. But most of you people haven't even read mirage, atleast more than few issues. I on the other hand have watched more of the cartoon than most of you have.

[Machias Banshee]

It's like the movie version where splinter was always a rat. He learned ninjitsu and martial arts when he was still a rat in a cage.

*song* Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage...


:lol: sorry, I just couldnt help myself...heh, I like both versions, but I prefer the Archie origin. Yeah, it was based off the cartoon, but the archie one went SO much deeper with his character. He showed a lot of his human characteristics too, and was really...closer to the boys than the cartoon Splinter could ever be. That's the one i base a lot of my stories and art off of...I also personally think he was handsome in the Year of the Turtle Miniseries. Heh, I like him being tall dark and handsome... :goof: :tangel:

[heretic888]

I enjoy the Mirage tmnt origin story as a whole better because it has more depth.

[raphael90]

I thought the movie origin of Splinter was more original than the cartoon, but I prefer the cartoon storyline more I guess. I'll accept both I guess! :D

[Zenrick]

I enjoy the Mirage tmnt origin story as a whole better because it has more depth.

I still think they need a turtle movie in which they USE their weapons rather than trip people or whatever, well a bo can do that, but not at Katana.....CHOP SOMETHING IN HALF LEO!!!!!!! GRRRRRRR, I think the cartoon Splinter was lovable, the movie one was likable.......:P

[Karpo_007]

The movie would need to be PG 13 for having violence like that. And Movie studios usually don't want to limit ther audience especially in the case TMNT. The new cartoon is Targeted for kids.

[Zenrick]

The movie would need to be PG 13 for having violence like that. And Movie studios usually don't want to limit ther audience especially in the case TMNT. The new cartoon is Targeted for kids.

yeah, but all of the kids (almost) that were in love with the turtles and actually know who they are and such are now old enough to watch a rated R movie........so since the audience has grown up, maybe a shot of making the movies grown up?? It'd be interesting to say the least.

[Karpo_007]

Well the first movie was pretty close to original mirage comics. Well it wasn't that violent but the TMNt used ther weapons. The Movie was good. But parent's didn't like it. It was too dark etc.

If TMNT becomes hit again as a children's cartoon, I doubt they are going to make a violen movie. We can always hope of course.

[Zenrick]

Well the first movie was pretty close to original mirage comics. Well it wasn't that violent but the TMNt used ther weapons. The Movie was good. But parent's didn't like it. It was too dark etc.

If TMNT becomes hit again as a children's cartoon, I doubt they are going to make a violen movie. We can always hope of course.

Yeah, they used their weapons, but all I remember Leo doing was tripping a dude and sticking them in the ceiling (turtles 2), hmmmm....yeah since a NEW cartoon is coming out the hopes of a semi-bloody movie in which Leo at least chops an arm off is out of the question. I just really hope this cartoon doesnt become another Pokemon......I dont want to hate it!!!

[Karpo_007]

Well Leo hit Shredder in to arm in the first movie. And because the new cartoon is based on Mirage, it will suitable for all ages. In the Interview the maker have said that TMNT actually will use their weapons in it. But we will have to see if thats true.

[Zenrick]

Well Leo hit Shredder in to arm in the first movie. And because the new cartoon is based on Mirage, it will suitable for all ages. In the Interview the maker have said that TMNT actually will use their weapons in it. But we will have to see if thats true.

*HOPING* Oh yeah, I forgot Leo actually cut something ;) I think they should have a scene with Splinter shooting arrows like Legolas on Lord of the Rings.........he needs some time in the spotlight. Rather than being some anamatronic garbage that never walks OR runs......do some flips buddy!!!!

"10 flips now!"

[Duke]

Yeah, they used their weapons, but all I remember Leo doing was tripping a dude and sticking them in the ceiling (turtles 2), hmmmm....yeah since a NEW cartoon is coming out the hopes of a semi-bloody movie in which Leo at least chops an arm off is out of the question. I just really hope this cartoon doesnt become another Pokemon......I dont want to hate it!!!

Yeah if the new cartoon turns into something stupid, some people are going to have to give alot of answers. Because all the turtle fans I know will riot. Please don't be stupid and stay away from the next mutation or whatever you called that crap at all costs.

[Karpo_007]

Laird didn't like Next mutation, and so the new cartoon will be nothing like it. It is said that it's taken straight from Mirage, But of course, since its a children's cartoon, some compromises will be made. Personally I wonder how they will do the origin story. If it was too violent fro the old cartoon. are things so diffrent now?

[Zenrick]

Yeah if the new cartoon turns into something stupid, some people are going to have to give alot of answers. Because all the turtle fans I know will riot. Please don't be stupid and stay away from the next mutation or whatever you called that crap at all costs.

*RIOT MUSIC* I will have to issue out mini bos to all that join in my march against defacing my turtles. *CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!!*

[Sparvid]

How come the big thing that is discussed here is wether or not a rat can learn ninijitsu, and not the at least equally big thing: in the cartoon origin Yoshi is alive!!
:)

[Duke]

That's a really good point, I never really thought of it that way. Maybe, that is the more important question?

[BIC Donie]

I had a hamster, it never walked like me though???!!!

[Nickokapo]

Mine neither, the closest to that is when he stands in two feet, but that's it...i wish he'd flip out :|

[BIC Donie]

Mine liked runing in circles...he wasn't entertained with my fighting practice...he mostly just visited the female hamsters pot.

[Nickokapo]

Heh, smart hamster ;)
Mine had a wheel but i took it away so he mostly sleeps now. :D

[Zenrick]

Mine liked runing in circles...he wasn't entertained with my fighting practice...he mostly just visited the female hamsters pot.

Meheco23: tell him to sleep while he can, because next semester he might hear wierd things while he is sleeping
Meheco23: like gucky sounds

Will you are so gross!!!!!

[Raph]

Mmm Karpo Karpo is again right..I agree..even if I also found out about the comics way later ( I grew up with the cartoon yes!!)
I also agree that the Cartoon version is more realistic, but that mutatiing stuff got carried away to far on the cartoon,
The whole idea was that the Turtles were lucky cause its a small change that the mutation goes succesfull

The fact of the (comic) Ooze aout creatures evolving then makes more sense to me. (Splinter was just a special pet :))

[Nickokapo]

Nah, karpo has already striken! :P
Unless you were talking about the hamster converstaion...
And i agree splinter was just a very...athletic pet. :)
BTW zenrick, who's meheco23? :ohwell:

[BIC Donie]

that would be me on aim...but it was only a joke

[Nickokapo]

Oh, ok :goofygri:

[Lanagirl]

I have read all the opinions. And i respect everyone's opinion. I was just thinking that... if we expect too much from the new show we can be disappointed. The new cartoon is very involved. They have to create a cartoon for the kids based on the comic book. When the old cartoon was shown, we all accepted it like it was. Now it's another situation. Every fan is expecting something special from the new show. Of course it is not possible to satisfy all our dreams. :cry:
As to Splinter, i like him in the cartoon and in the next mutation. Though there are many people who didn't like the next mutation, i think it was pretty funny. I mean Wick,Dragonlord and this crazy insane hunter Bone Steel.
At least the show was not sad. we could laugh a bit. I didn't like Venus, the monkey and his stupid assistants and these vampires. It was pretty stupid.
As far as i understand(finally :roll: ) there are 3 types of comics: Mirage,Archie and.... i forgot their name. The last stories are very sad. I was really stressed when i read about these worms and Shredder and his mom and etc.
I read only the first issue of Mirage Comics. I guess i'll never be able to put up with the thought that Hamato Yoshi and Splinter are not the same.
And Shredder is a killer. That is why i prefer Splinter from the cartoon.
By the way will this new Splinter be Splinter or Hamato Yoshi(may be they changed the plot). They also say that there will be min 26 episodes and if the show becomes a hit,they will release more. It sounds wonderful but i guess it means that they do not have the final plot and the story. If they are ready to continue the cartoon is case of it's success.
And the last: Who knows whose creation are dragons and this hunter from the next mutation. Are they also from comics? I have never seen either in the cartoon or in comic books
:evilgrin:

[Karpo_007]

She has a point. Every one who is hopng for something like the old cartoon, can be dissapointed.

And No, Splinter wont be Hamato Yoshi. I reall wonder how they are going to show the origin story. It is a saturday morning cartoon...

[Nickokapo]

I'm almost sure they'll take the part about shredder killing yoshi's girlfriend away, or modify it at least...
And yeah i guess i should stop speculating about the new cartoon and just wait to see it, because if it's not what i hoped it to be i'll be dissapointed...tho i wanted to see the tmnt back on tv no matter what, so whatever they come up with, i will probably like it :D

[Karpo_007]

Someone said that Oroku Nagi will be involved. So I don't know how they can change the plot...

[Shellfox]

Karpoos right, its not planed to be like the old toon, but If its as action/violent packs as some wnat to believe it may not stay that way, we may like it but to much action and you know some parent with to much time on their hands'll start raising a stink and before you know it parents groups all over the country are attacking it, so lets hope they people in charge are being smart about it.

They want to Kill people in the origin of the show is risky, may be good at first but it could make the show die an ugly death

[Kali]

She has a point. Every one who is hopng for something like the old cartoon, can be dissapointed.
Not just those people, but the people hoping it'll be like the Mirage comics come to life. It won't be. It'll be in it's own catagory of action comedy. Something the kids will enjoy, parents will approve of, and veteran fans will hopefully enjoy as well.

[Karpo_007]

I knoe that It won't be Mirage, I have accepted that. It will be it's own universe but it seems it will use Mirage Plot pretty close. Of course there are compromises, but I belive it will be ok. It is certain that it is more serious than the old cartoon, but Comedy will surely be there.

I personally hope it Would come close to the First movies feeling. It combined The Original darker TMNT and Comedy and Result was Something that all could enjoy.

The New show will never be Mirage, and It doesn't need to be. Mirage will always be there no matter how the show turns out.

[Lanagirl]

:evil: Yes,if the show is too serious, those parents can begin complaining. But you know guys, i have never been in America but i respect your laws. There is a good order there. Nobody cares what kids are watching here, in Russia. When i was a little girl, i was read many tales. Only now i begin realising how cruel they are. Here, the saturday morning show can include scenes for grown-up people. Not always of course, but nobody will care or complain. I'm glad that people in Europe and America take a good care about their children. So it's better than russian orders: watch what you want, do what you want and a big majority of kids begin to like violence.

Sorry :goofygri:
I didn't hear that Oroku Nagi will be involved. But if he is, then he will have to die...(according to the plot of Mirage). I remember the interview with creator( or somebody else). he said there would be no any death.
so...
Nobody answered me about the dragons :lol:

[Nickokapo]

:embarass: sorry, i don't know enough about next mutation to answer that question!
But i doubt they're from the comics..

[Duke]

And yeah i guess i should stop speculating about the new cartoon and just wait to see it, because if it's not what i hoped it to be i'll be dissapointed...tho i wanted to see the tmnt back on tv no matter what, so whatever they come up with, i will probably like it :D

yeah we should all probably stop speculating about what the new cartoon will be like. I don't think any of us should build up our expectations to much. But maybe you should watch your words about wanting to see the turtles back on tv no matter what. Look at the next mutation. I know the new cartoon will not be anything like that but i feel that the show really hurt the turtles for the kids who saw only it.

[Zenrick]

And yeah i guess i should stop speculating about the new cartoon and just wait to see it, because if it's not what i hoped it to be i'll be dissapointed...tho i wanted to see the tmnt back on tv no matter what, so whatever they come up with, i will probably like it :D

yeah we should all probably stop speculating about what the new cartoon will be like. I don't think any of us should build up our expectations to much. But maybe you should watch your words about wanting to see the turtles back on tv no matter what. Look at the next mutation. I know the new cartoon will not be anything like that but i feel that the show really hurt the turtles for the kids who saw only it.

I think that me punching all of the next mutation lovers hurt them. The turtles can only be hurt in a comic book that people seem to worship more than the show *cant comprehend*

[Karpo_007]

And yeah i guess i should stop speculating about the new cartoon and just wait to see it, because if it's not what i hoped it to be i'll be dissapointed...tho i wanted to see the tmnt back on tv no matter what, so whatever they come up with, i will probably like it :D

yeah we should all probably stop speculating about what the new cartoon will be like. I don't think any of us should build up our expectations to much. But maybe you should watch your words about wanting to see the turtles back on tv no matter what. Look at the next mutation. I know the new cartoon will not be anything like that but i feel that the show really hurt the turtles for the kids who saw only it.

Yeah that show is a shame. If some people know turtles only by it, they probably don't want to watvh the new cartoon. Hopefully that will not happen.

[Raphael-sama]

Anybody... ANYBODY who got into the Turtles through TNM needs to be properly instructed PRONTO. Either Mirage or the old cartoon will work fine, doesn't matter.

Back to the original topic (remember that?), although it pains me to say it, I prefer the Mirage version, not so much because of how it portrays Splinter, but how it portrays mutagen as a whole. The cartoon mutagen turns a person into whatever animal they're touching. How could it affect the turtles, the frogs, or all the other creature mutations then? What's the deal? And what about if the mutagen touches someone who isn't touching something? Very confusing. Mirage mutation is simple: it mutates whatever it touches into a more evolved, more intelligent and more powerful version of their original selves. Quick, easy, painless.

PS: we need to think up an abbreviation for the new cartoon soon: calling the old and new cartoons, well, old cartoon and new cartoon is gonna get old fast. TMNT Neo, maybe? *shrug*

-Badabing.

[Karpo_007]

Well I dont think that that the New show has a suntitle, so I guess New cartoon has to do for now.