We just got served by Nintendo

[ThirdMarioBro]

I think NIntendo just proved their point about the visuals in gaming.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Wii's at E3 were FAKES. The consoles sitting on the demo platforms were shells. Let me state this for the record.....

ALL GAMES YOU SAW AT E3 WERE RUNNING ON GAMECUBE HARDWARE WITH THE WII CONTROLLER HARDWIRED TO THEM FOR DEMO PURPOSES.

The final kits aren't even out yet, and won't be sent out until late June.

You know what this means? We all though tat was next-gen software, and it was running on Gamecube in 16:9 Progressive Scan the whole time. We have not seen the real visual power of the console at this time, and all assumption of the visual prowess is worthless at this point.

Yes, Nintendo just proved their point. Who gives a fu*k about graphics? WE WERE ALL PLAYING GAMECUBES!!!1!!1111!! Best goddamn news of the show.

Don't believe me? Here's the underside of the demo units...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/GamecuberunningWiisoftwareatE3.jpg

and again, right under our noses...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/GamecubeatE32006presentation.jpg

So anybody b*tching about the graphics, stop. You've been looking at Gamecubes. And to anybody who thinks those were some georgious visuals at the show (like myself), you were looking at Gamecube's rigged to Wii controllers. The little purple box that could :D


We ain't seen nothing yet folks :D :D

I think Nintendo just proved their point about visuals after that stunt.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, I heard about this earlier today. I guess Smash Bros was the real deal though since it looked so much better than everything else (except Zelda). If all Wii games will look like that I'm more than satisfied.

[Peanut]

Um, wow. Nintendo is amazing. That's really awesome.

And yeah, I agree with Barkworm on this. I think SSB:B was the real Wii deal.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that they used Wii hardware stored in 'Cube cases, as they are more roomy and they did not have production units yet. I doubt Super Mario Galaxy could run on a regular Gamecube.

[Dr. Doom]

-=wags finger=- Oh that Nintendo! What a trickster! =D

[cowabunga14]

Who'da thunk they could trick us like this? Well, this is something you don't see too often. I just hope they're able to explain themselves one of these days if their scheme gets revealed to more people.

[Kid Icarus]

That's pretty damn cool.

[XERO]

My name is Benvenuto... and I just got Punk'd.

:P

[Barkworm]

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that they used Wii hardware stored in 'Cube cases, as they are more roomy and they did not have production units yet. I doubt Super Mario Galaxy could run on a regular Gamecube.
Seems like everyone keeps hearing something different. :lol: The last thing I heard was that it wasn't Wii hardware but the latest dev-kit (which is basically a souped up Cube). This makes the most sense to me since titles like Mario and Metroid looked slightly above GC standard. With the finalized kits everything should look like Smash Bros.

[Kid Icarus]

I do think I can live with everything look like Smash Bros.

Yeah... yeah, I think that'll work damn fine.

[Spitfire]

Explains why some old games look better then newer ones. Hell I've seen Playstation games that could almost pass off as PS2 games. ZOE 2 and The Bouncer are some of the best looking PS2 games*Looking better then alot of the new ones* So I guess this proves that the true power of our systems hasn't even been tapped.

[Kid Icarus]

Nope, which is why jumping into a new, expensive, generation is just damn silly.

Oh well.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It appears that Smash Bros was running on further along kits, but not the final ones. They don't have the final GPU's from ATI yet. Keep in mind, Nintendo spent just as much on these GPU's as Microsoft spent on their's. The final machine

It's also been confirmed that the modded Gamecubes we were playing at E3 were unmodified. If you'll notice, everything but Sonic, Mario, and Metroid Prime 3 were running at 30FPS rather than 60. This seemed off considering this was supposed to be next-gen, but now it makes sense. Games like Necro-Nesia (which was sh*t btw) looked like late-gen N64 in widescreen.

Again, the Gamecubes were unmodded outside of the hardwired controller. Gamecube could already do 480p and widescreen in it's sleep. Ladies and gentlemen, we're been pwned.


Gameplay is what matters. Graphics are a tool to deliver the gameplay. I think that's been proven. Expect better looking games by TGS.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/Ssb-marios.jpg

The machine isn't finished. That's more than next-gen enough for me.

[OA]

Yea, that does look pretty sweet...

I think regardless of what was actually running at E3, we can expect cleaner graphics come Nov..but you're right- gameplay hands down is THE most important aspect...

[Hannah]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/Ssb-marios.jpg

That's pretty cool, but if you think about, pretty creepy. Cartoon-y characters do not do so well so... realistic. I mean, look at that nose! :P

[Anarky]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/Ssb-marios.jpg

The machine isn't finished. That's more than next-gen enough for me.

His hands look weird. The fingers are way too long. But it looks sort of impressing, especially his trousers. His shoes however... brown blobs.

[Kid Icarus]

Look again, there's tons of detials and highlights on his shoes.

And they've always been brown blobs anyway.

[Ecto Jedi]

How realistic can Mario get, really? :lol:

But seriously though, forget Gamecube or Wii. If you want the most realistic version of Mario ever presented, you won't find it in no video game. Enter: Super Mario Bros. The Movie.

[Peanut]

:lol: Un-called for! I don't believe there was a need to bring such a travesty up.

What upsets me about the movie is that the premise was good. They came up with a legit way to get Mario and Luigi into the Mushroom Kingdom. It just totally sucked at that point! I understand they couldn't have turtles and mushroom people running around everywhere, but why did they make them a bunch of gang-banging biker punks? Sad.

The one cool thing about that movie...the bob-omb scene. "LOOK OUT! HE'S GOT A BOB-OMB!" And Yoshi totally chewing the legs off that lady. Hardcore.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Burn. :x :lol:


Anyway, it dosen't matter that much. I just think we've reached that platou of visual greatness where it dosen't matter much anymore. I call it the "point of who gives a fu*k?". Hell, I watched this real time video of a girl having her face manipulated on PS3. One, it was creepy. Two, it looked like a Dreamcast model.

If you want your women to have realistic graphics, then go find a real one and jack your controller into that. If you want a realistic Mario, that's as good as it gets really. Graphics don't matter to me anymore.

[Peanut]

What pisses me off is how Sony keeps coming out with these beautiful models, manipulates them, and says "this is all real time!". Yet they neglect to mention that they entire power of whatever they're running, is being used to render that single model and the subsequent animations.

We'll never see a character model as amazing as the Doc Ock one they showed last year, or the Tiger Woods one we saw this year. Companies really need to knock that sh*t off. It's impressing less and less people these days.

[Barkworm]

I say "Gears of War" looked way more impressive than anything. Those are the kind of graphics I expected from the so called "Next Gen".

[ThirdMarioBro]

We'll never see a character model as amazing as the Doc Ock one they showed last year, or the Tiger Woods one we saw this year. Companies really need to knock that sh*t off. It's impressing less and less people these days.


And that makes me happy.

[CookSux]

I'm feeling a bit ripped off... if we can get these games (if not better) on current existing hardware, why have new consoles in the first place. The NES and SNES went for years... now we're lucky to get 5 out of a system.

[Barkworm]

I think what's funny about this whole thing is that Microsoft did something similar at last year's E³ (the games ran on Apples which didn't have the 360's power) and most people kept bitching about it. This year Nintendo does it and everyone goes "HOORAY!!" (including me).

[Peanut]

I don't remember anyone bitching about the 360's running on Apple's. I do remember some people saying it was a scam though. I don't see how they came to that conclusion, but whatever.

I think the difference is 360 was running on a computer, while Wii is running on a game console. Seems less "fake" that way.

[Ecto Jedi]

:lol: Un-called for! I don't believe there was a need to bring such a travesty up.

I liked that movie. Royally misguided, but it had its own unique charm.

[CookSux]

what about assassin's creed for the ps3 running on 360s...

[Kid Icarus]

I liked that movie. Royally misguided, but it had its own unique charm.
The only charm it has is the one that makes you hurl.


Anyway, the thing with the 360's... I mostly thought it was funny that MICROSOFT was running them on APPLE computers. What, those PC's not strong enough?

And trust, a top line quad core G5 is more then powerful enough to run 360 games... which from from what I recall is exactaly what they were using.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Meh, who cares. Nintendo was openly honest about the fact that it wasn't Wii hardware, but rather a Gamecube under the hood. MS swore those were real 360's, and such everybody came down on them when they were found out they were Macs.

It's like if the Wii demos had been running on a PS2 or soemthing.

[Spitfire]

To be honest I'm glad that isn't Wii graphics. That means Wii graphics will be even better. And I don't really care about graphics in general. If a game is good it's good. And games aren't going to come out that look like crap so there isn't any problems. Blood Omen 2 has awful graphics but the game is fun so I set that aside when I play it because it's fun.

[Barkworm]

Here's the official word:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12739&rp=1
It was indeed Wii hardware but it wasn't finalized.

[OA]

Well, there it is...it seems that even though it wasnt finalized, we shouldnt be expecting too much more (graphically) from the actual finished product. Still, im seriously excited about it. So any thoughts on when the price might be offically announced?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Just assume less than $200. I'm going to call it at $179.99.

[Barkworm]

Do you think it will come with the classic controller?

[slkblaze]

"Trust the fungus" :lol:

[OA]

Just assume less than $200. I'm going to call it at $179.99.

Wow...i know they said they'd be less than everyone else but less than $200 seems almost redicuolus...i mean thats a HUGE difference, esp. from Sony. If that turns out to be true, My first next gen system will be the Wii. I've always been a Sony whore and thought i'd never switch but things are a changing...exciting times are a comin!!