What annoyed you most on the old toon? [Archive]

TMNTGal

01-08-2003, 12:39 PM

The "Snakes Alive" episode was kinda dumb. Leo afraid?! That's such crap. He's not afraid of anything! He's Mr. Perfect! :D

I also disliked Leo's voice change. It was whiny and strange. I loved that deeper sexy voice he used to have in earlier episodes. *drool*

The animation got a little sloppier later on too. It wasn't as awesome as it was in the first seasons. They made up for it though with Red Sky's animation.

Removing Mike's Nunchakus

Fighting was removed and replaced with slap stick. ugh..

Irma, Burne & Vernon were very annoying. LOL!

Karpo_007

01-08-2003, 12:45 PM

The lack of Imagination in the writer department. Well to put it simple, They used same plot over and over again. Of course this didn't bother me as a kid, But now that I have watched the show again, It really does. Well there are of course the few great David Wise eps here and there, But most of the episodes were just repeating.

The goofines. The first season had a dark and cool feeling in it, And lot of action too, but that changed during the second season and forth. The action was replaced by lapstick humour, and so many writers were doing the show that there wasn't continuity.

But the Redsky is really diffrent from the rest of the series. It has good animation, lots of action and continuity.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-08-2003, 12:47 PM

The Ninja Turtles cartoon is my baby. I mean, that's the thing that got me started on my whole Ninja Turtles kick. So I don't think there were many flaws to it.

The only thing that I don't remember too fondly about it - and maybe this is a flaw for me - was the fact that the writers took everything that made the show and threw it out the window.

They took out the comedy.
They took out all the wonderful side characters over the years.
They took out the great music.
They took out the light-hearted good nature of the series.

The end result? Hyper-mutant turtles which dragged the cartoon into science-fiction territory. The end result? An blue alien creature with pink glowing eyes that was somehow supposed to dorph the villain that Shredder was.

Whatever.

Now I'll give Seasons 9 and 10 their due. They were okay. But that's not how the series should have ended. It should have ended with what it started with, and that was all the characters, the comedy, the music, and whatever else, intact and alive. The Turtles should have defeated Krang and Shredder - not killed them but trapped them in Dimension X, for example - and let it be.

Let the Turtles ride off into the sunset that is post-cartoon retirement and enjoy their glory days. But no. We had to spice up the show all for the sake of ratings. We had to change the look and feel of the show and pretty much get rid of everything that made it a success just so we can draw back those viewers who've grown weary of watching it.

Whatever.

If there's anything I find flawed in the show, it's the fact that the Ninja Turtles cartoon went on for two seasons too long. It should have ended with Season 8. Although, as I just said, Seasons 9 and 10 had their good moments.

But when people think back on the show, they don't remember Dregg and Mung and Hi-Tech. They remember Shredder and Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady. When people look back on the show, they don't remember the Dreggnaut. They remember the Technodrome, and the Foot Skis, and the Turtle Van, and the Turtle Blimp.

The only flaw in the show, in my opinion, were Seasons 9 and 10. Those seasons weren't the Ninja Turtles. Those seasons were like Ninja Turtles: The Next Generation, or some stupid thing like that.

I will always think highly of the first eight seasons of the show. Seasons 9 and 10, however -

Whatever.

"My name is Oroku Saki. But you may call me . . . the Shredder!"
"A kitchen utensil?"

Shredder and Raphael, from "Enter: The Shredder"

Karpo_007

01-08-2003, 12:53 PM

I can't comment, Im still going at season 8, And so far it is the best thing after season 1. Can the 2 last seasons be really that bad?

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-08-2003, 01:04 PM

If you haven't yet seen the last two seasons, let me just say this much.

The animation is terrible in Season 9. It was like the animators weren't even trying. It was definitely better in Season 10, however. It more resembled Season 8's animation.

The stories were darker than ever before in Season 9. Raphael acts like a jerk through the entire season. He acts like he wants to pick a fight with anything that moves. He was toned down a bit in Season 10, defintely a good move by Jeffrey Scott, who wrote all that season's episodes.

Good Lord, April looks awful in Season 9. She's hardly recognizeable.

Where did Irma, Vernon, Burne Thompson, Channel 6, and the Turtle Blimp go? Oh, yeah, they were all written out of the show. And we can't forget about Shredder, Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and anything else that will even remotely remind us of the old cartoon. Shredder and company are brought back in Season 10, however, definitely a highlight for the season.

The sewers look different in Season 9. They are changed back into their more familiar format in Season 10.

Season 9 is okay. If you're looking for serious stories with pretty much no humor but plenty of kick-butt action, you may like this season, despite the fact that there's a whole new villain.

Season 10 is a huge improvement in just about everything. It's like everyone suddenly noticed how awful Season 9 was, and they bent over backwards to give Season 10 a makeover.

Season 9 is okay. Season 10 is better. But they were two seasons that shouldn't have come to pass. They have their bright moments, but "bright moments" aren't enough to salvage entire seasons.

"It looks like it's back to the ol' pet shop for us!" - Raphael, from "Shredder is Splintered"

Karpo_007

01-08-2003, 01:07 PM

Well I think they were making it darker o make it like the original TMNT. At that point, they probably couldn't have done it with shredder. But I can see how much of shock it was to those kids who had watched the cartoon for many years.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-08-2003, 01:20 PM

I guess we'll never really understand why everyone involved gave the series such a huge makeover. Season 8 was a good transition, but then they took it about ten steps further in Season 9.

I really hate to bash the last two seasons, since they are a part of the Ninja Turtles world. But knowing what the series was - and then what it eventually became - is kind of frustrating.

I don't really have a problem with change. I thought Season 8 was done well. But when you strip the show of everything that made it a success and try to come up with a new concept, people are naturally going to have their opinions about it.

The only things that survived the makeover were the four Turtles, old and trusty Splinter, and the Turtle Van. April barely survived; thank God her voice actor was brought back!

But the four frogs? History.
The Neutrinos? Gone.
Dimension X? Dimension what?
Pizza? Yeah, okay, sure . . .

I have grown more receptive to Seasons 9 and 10 over the years. I have been watching those seasons more so that I can appreciate what they are, as opposed to what they aren't. And it is taking time.

I will never fully embrace Seasons 9 and 10 like I have the first eight seasons of the show. But I will give them credit where it is due - for two years, those episodes satisfied my Ninja Turtles craving on Saturday morning.

And for that, I give those seasons a thumbs up. :thumbsup:

General Tragg: "Lord Krang? Where are you going?"
Krang: "Well, dude, I thought -"
Michaelangelo: "- I'd go for a pizza!"

From "Shredder Triumphant!"

Karpo_007

01-08-2003, 01:22 PM

Well it's better with new new show. It starts as a Dark series, and most probably will stay that way.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-08-2003, 01:26 PM

The one thing I am keeping in mind with this new cartoon is to appreciate it for what it is. If I compare it to the old one, I'm not going to like it all that much.

But if I appreciate it for what it is, as opposed to what it isn't, I think I may like the new cartoon.

"I'm talking to a video game here!" - Leonardo, from "Leonardo vs. Tempestra"

raphael90

01-08-2003, 01:55 PM

The things that annoyed me most about the Turtle's cartoon:

1. Whenever the wrong voice comes out of the wrong character. For example:

Shredder is fighting the monster in 'Killer Pizzas' and Leonardo knocks him out of the way or something. Shredder accuses the Turtle saying "I had him right where I wanted him" And then it shows Raphael but out comes Leonardo's voice "Sure you did"

2 . Any animation that made the Turtles look stupid. Case in point the episode "A thing about rats"....that is the worst animation I've ever seen for the Turtles. The Turtles look like major dorks, especially near the end. Krang looks pretty awful too.

3. Unturtle things like when the Turtle's see the evil plant tearing up the street on 'It Came From The Sewers' and they're all like "We gotta save the city" and Leonardo goes "Turtles, I'm not sure we can"

WHAZUPWTIHTHAT?!!! :-?

But I like the cartoon...ignore my stupid ramblings :D

HorseTechie

01-08-2003, 02:21 PM

2 . Any animation that made the Turtles look stupid. Case in point the episode "A thing about rats"....that is the worst animation I've ever seen for the Turtles. The Turtles look like major dorks, especially near the end. Krang looks pretty awful too.

Oh yeah... I hated it when the Turtles looked like there were pregnant, or reallly fat, cause their shells were bulging. Or that the streets of NYC hardly looked like NYC.

Or in the city destruction scenes, there were NO people anywhere! Just the Turtles, a couple cars, and their enemy. *sai*

Then. it really bigged me how the guys would always call each other by their full names. And wore letters on their belts. That seemed to take away the informal, "we're close brothers/friends" feel to the show.

Reznorite420

01-08-2003, 02:28 PM

And the fact that there was pratically no sign of martial arts it that show.You've never seen the red sky eps...COMIC LOYALIST!!!!

Dontebell

01-08-2003, 02:54 PM

vernon is the most annoyed one on the show in season 1 he was OK but in the other he was stupid and a fradiy cat

Jephael

01-08-2003, 02:57 PM

I gotta agree with you people on the Channel 6 crew.

Be careful what you say though, there happens to be a Vernon fan here on the forum.

Deathknight

01-08-2003, 03:47 PM

What annoyed me:
Dregg: In general he was a stupid villian and bored me
Red Sky: Not the episodes, just the whole concept of making the sky red was stupid and pointless.
Plenty of the side villians: There were a lot of really bad villians on the show, my least favorite being those stupid aliens from Artless
Mikey Losing his chucks: I was especially annoyed with this. That stupid grappling hook was useless.
Baxter Stockman: Starting in Son of Return of the Fly Baxter all of a sudden is super powerful and easily beats the crap outta Shredder and company, this made no sense what so ever. He never showed this in the previous 2 episodes where he was a fly because he had no real strength and was easily pushed around by shredder. His brain also turned to mush in those episodes too, first he was a brilliant scientist and then he's some stupid idiot who has no idea what he's doing unless the alien computer helped him.

Tokka-B

01-08-2003, 03:58 PM

Hey, Vernon is cool!!! And yes, watch what you say...cause although he is a frady cat, a lot of kids thought that was funny and made him more popular and just added a better aspect to the show...without Vernon there would be no TMNT..

Psycrow

01-08-2003, 04:24 PM

When the producers got rid of Mikey's nunchucks, that was a stupid move. Also, the later seasons were very bad...

Finally, the show only survived so long because the TMNT and the characters were cool, but the writing in the show was absolutely horrible.

Karpo_007

01-08-2003, 04:26 PM

Not all of it. I have Enjoyed every David Wise ep to date.

Dontebell

01-08-2003, 04:48 PM

OK vernon is not annoying but he is afard. in this one episode when he was scearming "MILK? AHHHHH!!" it crak me up :lol:

Tokka-B

01-08-2003, 04:51 PM

See?!? That is why we need Vernon!!!! :evil:

Peanut

01-08-2003, 05:32 PM

The thing that annoyed me most was when Don's regular voice would change for one show and it would be some squeaky annoying one.

Nickokapo

01-08-2003, 05:48 PM

What annoyed me the most eh...red sky of course.
The cartoon had been doing great for like 7 years, everything was fine when they decide to change LOTS of stuff, the look, the mood, even the theme...
Fine, i thought it wasn't that bad and let it slip, it wasn't the cartoon i grew up with anymore, rather some bad comic adaptation but what came later would be worst.
DREGG!
Gawd, talk about annoyance, they turned the show into some weird sci fi thing and it all started with dregg...sure the tmnt toon always had a lot of fiction here and there, but they kept some limit...red sky was like over the top with that stuff.
And for gods sake, what's wrong with the guy that colored the characters?!
Season 8 was kinda acceptable, they kept krang, shredder bebop and rocksteady...sure, they butchered their personality we'd grew up with in the toon, but they were still in it, in seasons 9 and 10 they were gone for the most part :sweatdro:
I liked the new mutation parts, but that still isn't enough for me considering all the bad stuff they've done.
I've also heard the ending was bad :ohwell:
Other than that i like the cartoon...ALIKKEITALUT!
:P
Oh and psycrow i'm with ya, i wish they'd have kept the chucks, that was annoying that they removed it.

Anarchistguy

01-08-2003, 05:52 PM

And the fact that there was pratically no sign of martial arts it that show.You've never seen the red sky eps...COMIC LOYALIST!!!!

I DIDN'T INCLUDE SEASONS 1,8,9 & 10!! GEEZ RELAX REZNORITE!!:x

Tokka-B

01-08-2003, 06:18 PM

LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: RENZORITE.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reznorite420

01-08-2003, 06:44 PM

I DIDN'T INCLUDE SEASONS 1,8,9 & 10!! GEEZ RELAX REZNORITE!!:xHow was I to know that? You didn't say any specific season :P :P :P

Nickokapo

01-08-2003, 06:45 PM

LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: RENZORITE.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
YAY!One more way to call brentorite :P

Tokka-B

01-08-2003, 06:50 PM

It is just so funny when people get ticked off, sorry, but that started to hurt my gut archist. :)

Nickokapo

01-08-2003, 06:54 PM

It is just so funny when people get ticked off, sorry, but that started to hurt my gut archist. :)
archist! :P

Reznorite420

01-08-2003, 06:54 PM

LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: RENZORITE.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
YAY!One more way to call brentorite :PI don't remember ever stating my first name on the boards, but it doesn't matter...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nickokapo

01-08-2003, 06:58 PM

You didn't, i'm a psychotic stalker that got all your data, and a shrine about you in the basement :teek:
Actually, i got it from the sound page of the technodrome since they credited you with your real name :P

the_minimizer

01-08-2003, 10:36 PM

What annoyed me was that Shredder and Krang, despite all the technology they had, were always outclassed because of some bumbling stupidity. It's like they never stood a chance.

killa-b

01-09-2003, 12:29 AM

i hated the when they had that carter guy..i think thats his name...he was annoying ass because he didn't fit in with the turtles..the turtles should only fight by themself...also i hated all the mistakes they had..with the chars having the wrong weapons and voices and all the mistakes kinda weakend the effect of the show..and the last thing was when they changed the song..you cant have tmnt without the original music..the first change of music was so horrid..that stupid song still gets stuck in my head...

Nickokapo

01-09-2003, 01:12 AM

I've also hated carter! :P Not as much as dregg tho.
And the theme song change, i've also hated it aswell, i loved the original theme it's a classic ;)
As for the mistakes i found em rather funny :D

Deathknight

01-09-2003, 02:41 PM

The series switched to theme #2 (middle of 1990-1993) because it started to air on CBS and I guess they wanted a new theme. I never did like theme #3 though. And Carter was a bad character and shouldn't have been put into the show.

Nturtle

01-09-2003, 04:44 PM

What peeves me off about the old show are the slap stick crappy fight scenes which was nearly every fight after 88!!

Karpo_007

01-09-2003, 04:46 PM

Me too. That's why I liked the 8th season very much. Tomorrow I will be starting 9...

Brothaman

01-09-2003, 05:27 PM

What annoyed me... was April constantly snooping around and getting herself in trouble and causing more problems for the turtles... She must have been in trouble in almost like every episode.It just got really funny because you know everytime April gets on the Turtlecom and reports to the turtles about some new stuff she got on the criminal... they are right behind her and they catch her... Then she always leave the the intercom with that stupid annoying sound like she's having an orgasm!! Awww!!! Then Leonardo will say... oh no .... we got to save april!!

What really annoyed me was the horrible animation in Season 9.... The Red Sky version of that made it look really unattractive & ugly.... plus this season had one of the most boring and stupid eps.. Season 8 is actually my favorite right next to Season 01.

Season 10 was ok.... I didn't understand like when the Turtles mutated to an even a bigger form like Leonardo did.... I didn't get why Leonardo never had any control over himself... Like in the "The Return Of Dregg"...When he mutated... he became like King Kong and just smashed everything in site, what was wrong with him??? They never explained that in the eps.
I liked the eps when Shredder & Krang returned to help Dregg....I wished they explained what happened to Bebop&Rocksteady..... I would have liked to know what was their fate.Another thing was the last episode!! It didn't seem like a series finale.... it just seemed like Season finale.No old faces or anything... We just have Dregg crazier than ever doing everything in his power in getting the turtles.It was kinda cool seeing Krang's old antroid body again though.

Another annoying thing. Never adding a Season 11 with old returnees & more new improvements!

Karpo_007

01-09-2003, 05:31 PM

Well 10 years is pretty good for a cartoon. Well the ratings started to drop arpund season 7, So apparently during the 10th season they were so low that new season wouldn't have done any profit.

Deathknight

01-09-2003, 08:39 PM

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-09-2003, 09:29 PM

I liked the eps when Shredder & Krang returned to help Dregg....I wished they explained what happened to Bebop&Rocksteady..... I would have liked to know what was their fate.
Actually, I know what happened to Bebop and Rocksteady. According to an interview with Jeffrey Scott, the writer of all the Season 10 episodes, he was "told to avoid them" when writing the new season. It was okay to bring back Shredder and Krang, but for reasons we'll never know, Scott was not encouraged to bring back our favorite bumbling duo.

"We're going to make the best of a bad situation."
"Shredder, everywhere you go is a bad situation!"

Shredder and April, from "April Foolish"

Karpo_007

01-10-2003, 01:16 AM

No, the ratings were still pretty good in season 10. Switching to the more serious style made their ratings jump a lot. There was some unique reason why tmnt was cancelled and I can't recall what it was.

Oh so the Red Sky did the get the ratings up... I wonder why they cancelled the show then.

Anarchistguy

01-10-2003, 05:15 AM

That's because CBS wanted more educational programming.

Karpo_007

01-10-2003, 05:37 AM

And TMNT wasn't educational? :lol:

Digital_Mouser

01-10-2003, 06:17 AM

what annoyed ME the most?!
-> The fact that they stopped playing the cartoons...
mabey they just went to a different channel..?
I dunno what happened
..one day i went to watch it..and some other cartoon was on :(
....other then that, nothing annoyed me about the older TMNT cartoons..they rocked my world baby YEA! :D
I'v yet to see how the new cartoons are..? :?:

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-10-2003, 12:46 PM

Oh so the Red Sky did the get the ratings up... I wonder why they cancelled the show then.

Yes, initially the ratings were great for Season 8. It was something different, and viewers tuned in to see all the differences in the show. But in Season 9, the ratings started to fall again. People weren't interested in a show featured around Dregg and all the other nonsense that transpired in the last two seasons. Only the most devout followers of the cartoon stuck it through to the end.

That's because CBS wanted more educational programming.

You know, I think that was the answer. Now that you mention it, I remember reading that somewhere. The cartoon didn't fit with the kind of direction CBS was taking Saturday mornings, so the show was cancelled.

"Pull up, pull up!"
"I'm pulling, I'm pulling!" - the steering mechanism breaks off - "Oops!"

Donatello and Raphael, from "Leonardo Lightens Up"

Deathknight

01-10-2003, 02:15 PM

Yeah, look at the crap they show now on tv. I think there's 2 shows I still watch on tv. #1 The simpsons, #2 The Man show. The rest are re-runs or movies I have on tape or dvd and whatever I have on my computer. I really think there should be a channel for classic 80s-90s cartoons. I know there's boomerang which is owned by CN, but they don't show anything that great to speak of. We would need a channel that is reasonable and doesn't edit for time. It would be kinda like TV Land except TV Land edits their shows for time.

Brothaman

01-10-2003, 02:19 PM

Well.... if CBS didn't like TMNT anymore and wanted more educational stuff... They could have moved TMNT to FOX Kids or something like that then.

themaxonline

01-10-2003, 03:16 PM

Jephael

01-10-2003, 06:56 PM

Makes me think of the time Leo said "That's April's scream, I'd recognise it anywhere!"

Deathknight

01-10-2003, 08:14 PM

Well.... if CBS didn't like TMNT anymore and wanted more educational stuff... They could have moved TMNT to FOX Kids or something like that then.
True but fox had already rejected TMNT during the 4th season and probably didn't want it back and it had been running for so long that a lot of stations probably didn't want it.

R-iZZy

01-10-2003, 11:25 PM

o... the pure form of rejection. don't u just hate that?

killa-b

01-11-2003, 12:47 AM

imagine the money they coulda made though

Kali

01-11-2003, 08:43 AM

HAHAHAHA! :lol: I can hear April now and it's so funny because it does sound like she's having an orgasm!!! As Raphael would probably ask: "What's Shredder doing to her?" :lol:
Makes me think of the time Leo said "That's April's scream, I'd recognise it anywhere!"
Aww, man, now I'm gonna have that image in my head all day! :lol: And people wonder where those fan fics come from.

RaphaelTMNT23

01-11-2003, 01:50 PM

April tagging along with the Turtles saying..."this will be the story of the century" every episode. Thank god she's not a reporter anymore

Karpo_007

01-11-2003, 02:18 PM

Well I've just watched first episode of season 9... people are right, the animation is not as good as in 8th seasom, David Wise isn't the writer...

themaxonline

01-11-2003, 06:40 PM

When Leonardo said he'd recognize April's scream anywhere, they had just met! LOL... no wait.... sorry. That was when Raphael said he'd recognize her teeth marks anywhere... in 'Turtle Tracks'.

One of those most annoying errors ever in the show was in 'Michaelangelo, The Sacred Turtle'. Before commerical, he was wearing a hat type thing and a sweator and pants but then after he's wearing a trenchcoat. I always hated that one. I didn't like the trenchcoats much but the other disguise I liked better.

Jephael

01-11-2003, 07:29 PM

I also liked the sweaters, especially when they would wear those color coded hats in place of their masks.

R-iZZy

01-11-2003, 07:57 PM

April tagging along with the Turtles saying..."this will be the story of the century" every episode. Thank god she's not a reporter anymoreAMEN!!!

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-11-2003, 08:28 PM

Well I've just watched first episode of season 9... people are right, the animation is not as good as in 8th seasom, David Wise isn't the writer...

What do you mean David Wise isn't the writer? He wrote all the Season 9 episodes.

"Talk about serious instant replay!" - Michaelangelo, from "The Unknown Ninja"

Maniax_God

01-12-2003, 12:39 PM

Ok, I actually liked Raphs smartass mouth, Im glad he was funny, I just couldnt stand the stupid jokes he would tell (on that episode where the comedians got kidnapped).
April was a douchbag, and she never retained the same figure, well, none of the turtles did. They also had WAY to many flaws in the animation...I could understand 1 or 2....but when half of the series is filled with bandanna switches and overlapped animation, then I think they need to slow down a bit.

Shredder was funny, but he is not supposed to be. He is an evil mastermind, how did he even become head of the foot? He fails to often!

Bebop and Rocksteady were my fav characters...but I NEVER want to see them again....

And what the hell ever happend to Slash...and why couldnt he just be "The ultimate badass" He had potential....

Urma...GET A EFFING LIFE!

Ok im going to stop now, im starting to sound like a counseler....

Karpo_007

01-12-2003, 12:47 PM

Karpo_007

01-12-2003, 12:50 PM

http://edu.kitee.fi/~inaski/1.jpg

There.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-12-2003, 06:53 PM

Wow, I can't believe it! :o

I really thought David Wise wrote that episode. I wonder how many episodes he did write for that season then? And all this time I thought Dregg was David Wise's idea . . .

"This is my planet, and you aren't taking it anywhere!" - Donatello, from "Night of the Dark Turtle"

Karpo_007

01-13-2003, 02:27 AM

Wel I cheked the few nex eps too it says:"story by Mark Edends written by David Wise" So Im guessing he wrote the rest of them, But it seems that this Edens invented Dregg...

R-iZZy

01-13-2003, 08:08 AM

research well done.

Sage Ninja

03-12-2008, 01:48 AM

you know what annoyed me about the old toon, when ever an episode looked like they where going into something actually good or exciting but instead of making that the focus of the episode we would just get teased of it happening and then (which would have made for a better story) and the whole episode would involve Shredder trying to execute the plan and the turtles would stop him, leaving the episode kind of hollow.

When the turtles started to mutate out of control in Red Sky and they couldn't fight a battle any more unless they super mutated.

The fact that April never learned how to fight in the old toon :( I think she had potencial).

that the show didn't go into the bacl stories of characters, like the bitter rivarly that caused Saki and Yoshi to hate each other, how Shredder and Krang met, what Krang's rein was like before he was banished from demision X.

The fact that during the last seasons April was sort of phased out and replaced by Carter.

The fact the season seven wasn't longer.

That the Rat King wasn't used more.

DonatelloDomeHead31

03-12-2008, 05:09 PM

The things that annoyed me most about the Turtle's cartoon:

1. Whenever the wrong voice comes out of the wrong character. For example:

Shredder is fighting the monster in 'Killer Pizzas' and Leonardo knocks him out of the way or something. Shredder accuses the Turtle saying "I had him right where I wanted him" And then it shows Raphael but out comes Leonardo's voice "Sure you did"

Yeah I agree with you on this, but its 80s animation, errors are common. There is another error when Michaelangelo is driving the Turtle Van in "A Thing About Rats." Donatello is the one talking and you see his mouth move, then Michaelangelo starts speaking with Donatello's voice.

Shark_Blade

03-12-2008, 10:34 PM

Mikey's nunchucks got replaced with a grappling hook. I mean WTF?? :mad: These soccer moms and spoiling dads are driving me nuts. They think the weapons are too dangerous to even displayed on cartoons, bah. Then Batman cartoons and others displaying villains with guns should be banned too which is completely irrational. The kids are not dumb, I mean I can think for myself when I was young

Revan

03-12-2008, 11:55 PM

Don't get me started on the hook. It is one issue I have strong feelings about (for some reason). Definately my biggest gripe with the kiddyfication of the franchise

Drtooth

03-13-2008, 09:26 AM

Yeah I agree with you on this, but its 80s animation, errors are common. There is another error when Michaelangelo is driving the Turtle Van in "A Thing About Rats." Donatello is the one talking and you see his mouth move, then Michaelangelo starts speaking with Donatello's voice.

I remember reading somewhere that after a while the animators couldn't tell one turtle from another. Whan English isn't you're first language, screwing up character lines in animation is natural. Especially, since the Japanese were not accustomed to animating a sound track. You see, they tend to work backwards, and record everything near the end.

Mikey's nunchucks got replaced with a grappling hook. I mean WTF?? These soccer moms and spoiling dads are driving me nuts. They think the weapons are too dangerous to even displayed on cartoons, bah. Then Batman cartoons and others displaying villains with guns should be banned too which is completely irrational. The kids are not dumb, I mean I can think for myself when I was young

Wouldn't be surprised if the Brits pressured them into doing that. But this brings up what bugs me, they only used their weopons to cut ropes and pizzas. Maybe fighting robots, which can't feel pain and don't "die." That's pretty much all they did. how can parents even complain about violence when it really isn't there?

gobo

03-13-2008, 10:49 AM

"It just so happens, we're amphibians!" >_< :evil:

Scandia

03-13-2008, 11:51 AM

- That they changed Splinter's origin. They could have had the same Hamato Yoshi betrayal story- and have Yoshi take his rat to America, live with him, and eventually just pass away of sadness and a broken heart due to having been shunned. This would make the universes more reconciliable with each other.

- Otherwise, mainly the fact that they stopped showing it where I lived.

Coola Yagami

03-13-2008, 12:12 PM

Having Hamato Yoshi pass away in any way, shape or form would have still been too dark for the show back then, even if it was just of sadness. I don't think they had much of way to keep both Yoshi and the rat in the story unless they were turned into the same person.

Revan

03-13-2008, 12:14 PM

"It just so happens, we're amphibians!" >_< :evil:

:xno kidding that was rediculous!

VaughnMichael

03-13-2008, 01:41 PM

I hated how baxters Computer buddy isn't in the episode landlord of the flies, that episode just seems so out of place to me, it's very inconsistant.
Of course we have a few episodes like that.

Scandia

03-13-2008, 01:46 PM

They showed the ghost of Shibano-sama. It was inside a sarcophagus of some sort. It was obvious that he had lived a long time ago and was now deceased. So it would not have been so horrendously hard to handle. Even having Yoshi catch an infectious disease or have a sudden heart attack may have still been manageable. But changing Splinter's origin makes it very hard to have the stories cross over.

Revan

03-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Baxter was drawn inconsistantly in landlord of the flies too. He was much smaller than previouly. Here I am complaining about the animation in the OT. :lol:

Coola Yagami

03-13-2008, 05:26 PM

True... but they weren't ever meant to crossover. I bet back in the day they never imagined the cartoon coming back based on the original comics and catching on.

VaughnMichael

03-13-2008, 06:56 PM

Baxter was drawn inconsistantly in landlord of the flies too. He was much smaller than previouly. Here I am complaining about the animation in the OT. :lol:
yeah that episode = fail
I tend to play the peter laird cannon game with the old toon I consider most episodes done by David Wise to be the Cannon episodes of the show, and then theres a few other exceptions.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-13-2008, 07:03 PM

-Raphael is a smartass instead of being the angry turtle from every other version.

-Shredder is a whiner, making it impossible to ever take him serious as a threatening villain.

Other than that, I love all the goofy aspects of the show, from plots ripped off from b-movies to April being a damsel in distress.

syk_skillz

03-13-2008, 07:26 PM

Raphael's Voice change in the European Episodes

Revan

03-13-2008, 07:38 PM

^ oh oh oh, I got a good one. When they used a substitute for James Avery! :sick:nooooooo

TheUltimateShredhead

03-13-2008, 07:47 PM

#The turtles mask and voice changing!

#The girly stunning at the start of the series!

#That they where defined as amphibians over long time!

#Irma! And her annoying voice!(i would really enjoy watching shredder slice her apart:D) And im not to satisfied with rest of the channel 6 crew either.

Well after all the old toon is a pretty great show, and i really enjoy it!

Drtooth

03-14-2008, 08:15 AM

"It just so happens, we're amphibians!" >_< :evil:

Actually, you know what annoys me about that? They don't know whether to make them amphibians or just regular reptiles. Sometimes they can Breath underwater, and sometimes they can't. Reminds me of this exchange-

One of the Turtles: So, you think you can tell us the secret of breathing underwater?

One of the Punk Frogs: Nope! That secret dies with us.

But they COULD breathe underwater. Had April said it, maybe...

gobo

03-14-2008, 02:51 PM

All turtles in reality are reptiles though. They just hold their breath for hours like other gill-less creatures do. So, I guess it was meant to be satire, but they delivered it so matter-of-factly that I had arguments at school for years afterwards about them not being amphibians. It was sickeningly frustrating.

triplexxx

03-14-2008, 03:27 PM

Reminds me of this exchange-

One of the Turtles: So, you think you can tell us the secret of breathing underwater?

One of the Punk Frogs: Nope! That secret dies with us.

But they COULD breathe underwater. Had April said it, maybe...
Oh yeah, I remember that one, of course I don't think that secret would've helped in that scenario, ability to breathe underwater doesn't help in quicksand.

Sage Ninja

03-14-2008, 10:38 PM

the disconnected continuity that occured in the show, one of my biggest beefs is the situation with Baxter the fly.

The "girly" sounding grunts that the turtles (in particular Raphael) made on occassion. It is a serious bug out! The turtles would be in the midse of a battle with the ground around them being peppered with gun shots and out of no where one of the turtles would dive for cover and you'd hear a very femimine grunt come out of one of them. And it's like WTF?! This is more prominent in season two.

Raphael_

03-19-2008, 08:30 PM

Overuse of Pizza. Seriously.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-19-2008, 09:56 PM

Overuse of Pizza. Seriously.

You do have a point. I mean, sure it's a cartoon, and cartoon characters have their food they may be obsessed with. At least Popeye and Bugs had vegetables like spinach and carrots, things that are healthy. With a diet of all pizza, it's a wonder the turtles weren't too fat and slow to do their ninja stuff. Sure they burn it off fighting Shredder, so they wouldn't have as much of a weight problem as anyone else would eating like them, but still, a lack of balanced diet would really put them at a disadvantage.

Revan

03-20-2008, 12:54 PM

^ Ha. They balance their diet by putting all kinds of goofy foods on their pizza. The pizza is like the dinner plate and the variety of foods are the toppings.
:lol:

Coola Yagami

03-20-2008, 08:25 PM

TheUltimateShredhead

03-20-2008, 08:29 PM

Yeah the TMNT go from eating normal stuff like mushrooms, pepperoni and extra cheese to even adding candy, cereal and even different flavors of ice cream.

I wish they had made real ice cream pizza. But I mean like a flat ice cream cake kinda designed and sliced to look like a pizza.

im pretty sure they had weird things on there pizza from the beginning. if recall correctly raphael put cereal on his pizza for breakfast in episode "Enter The Shredder".

Revan

03-20-2008, 08:33 PM

im pretty sure they had weird things on there pizza from the beginning. if recall correctly raphael put cereal on his pizza for breakfast in episode "Enter The Shredder".

Isn't that what yagami said?

But yeah I thought that was cool when I was a lil guy. I tried it and it tasted disgusting.

Coola Yagami

03-20-2008, 08:37 PM

And it got contagious too.. April started eating weird pizzas too and in Irma's birthday episode she was eating ice cream pizza too.

I always wondered why the turtles ate normal pizzas in the live-action movies and my mom (may she rest in peace) pointed out that it was most likely so the actors wouldn't be forced to shove real ice cream and whatnot pizzas in their mouths.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-20-2008, 09:21 PM

And it got contagious too.. April started eating weird pizzas too and in Irma's birthday episode she was eating ice cream pizza too.

I'm wondering what April's social life outside the turtles must have ended up being like. She probably smells like a sewer all the time, not to mention people giving her strange looks due to weird pizza toppings. I guess she never ate it in quite the same quantities as the turtles though, otherwise she would have gotten really fat. Although that would have made it harder for Shredder to kidnap her, even if April would end up needing to buy yellow jumpsuits in a much larger size:P

TheUltimateShredhead

03-20-2008, 11:09 PM

Isn't that what yagami said?

But yeah I thought that was cool when I was a lil guy. I tried it and it tasted disgusting.

Oh!..... i see it now, how embarrissing:goofygri:.

Coola Yagami

03-20-2008, 11:21 PM

TheUltimateShredhead

03-20-2008, 11:33 PM

You mean.... April has a social life outside of chasing news stories, getting kidnapped and hangin with the Turtles????

I remember the ep where Irma was kinda depressed when she had to settle for 'dinner for 2' just having pizza with April. Well, don't feel so down Irma, April's not exactly out on a hot date every Saturday night either...

the only times i can remember about april and dating througout the series, is she was going out with some rich guy in the end of episode "Raphael Meets His Match". and in some of the red sky eps she stated that she dated a scientist and he had something to do with something the turtles where trying to figure out.

Sage Ninja

03-21-2008, 12:30 AM

she also had Bug Man sweet on her a few times. But she was a total bitch to him so he got pissed off and stoped liking her :lol:

What annoyed me was that the Rock soldiers wheren't used enough (in particular General Tragg) in the series as well as the little robot with the lassos from season one.

The fact that the orginal gang that Rocksteady and bebop where shown with in season one where never shown or mentioned again, even though they where shown being mutated and then demutated at one point, or locked up in a prison thingy.

the fact that they never had any good make out scenes :P just kidding ;)

TheUltimateShredhead

03-21-2008, 12:52 AM

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 01:09 AM

hehe... she had a thing for him, but it only lasted untill she saw him changing to bugman:P and yeah your right, the series have to little fighting scenes with the rock soldiers! i can recall one good in one of the red sky eps but thats it:(
Traag never even got a good episode until season 6 "Rock Around the Block"
And I hated how he just ran away at the end he totally could have handed the turtles shells to them.

themaxonline

03-21-2008, 11:56 AM

Yeah, it just seemed like the turtles were up against so much during the entirety of season one which is why it's so awesome! That's why I like the end of Season 3 because it's like they're up against a lot again. I like those armageddon-like episodes where there's so much going on.

Can't wait for the new DVD set because I think seasons 6 and 7 at least had more dire situations for them then 3-5 really did.

Kendamu

03-21-2008, 12:17 PM

Mikey's lack of 'chucks and the overall lack of Ninja buttkicking after the first season.

Hero

03-21-2008, 12:39 PM

Pretty much most things as well as the BBC editing it down.

===HERO

TheUltimateShredhead

03-21-2008, 05:20 PM

Traag never even got a good episode until season 6 "Rock Around the Block"
And I hated how he just ran away at the end he totally could have handed the turtles shells to them.

I love that episode i wonder if i'll watch it again:ohwell:

Mikey's lack of 'chucks and the overall lack of Ninja buttkicking after the first season.

yeah! i remember he got beat up by a kid in episode "Michelangelo Meets Mondo Gecko"! that really pissed me off:x i actually wondered if i should have made an thread of it.

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 05:37 PM

I love that episode i wonder if i'll watch it again:ohwell:
Same here, infact it's one of the reason I bought the new dvd.

ToTheNines

03-21-2008, 05:37 PM

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 05:39 PM

This applies to all TMNT universes, not just the OT: There is almost never any random pedestrians on the streets unless they play a role in the plot, and the turtles never run into anyone on the roof tops.
Some times in the later seasons of the old toon there are people in the streets or even in episodes like gadget man.
But yeah it's really odd, it's nyc for christ sakes! I think it's just them being lazy and not wanting to draw tuns of people..I know I wouldn't lol

ToTheNines

03-21-2008, 05:41 PM

Some times in the later seasons of the old toon there are people in the streets or even in episodes like gadget man.

Yeah, but that was at the point where it was no big deal at all if anyone saw them.

But yeah it's really odd, it's nyc for christ sakes! I think it's just them being lazy and not wanting to draw tuns of people..I know I wouldn't lol

I know what you mean, but even in the movies... like when they take April home for the first time there's not even a car driving by :lol:

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 05:44 PM

Yeah, but that was at the point where it was no big deal at all if anyone saw them.

I know what you mean, but even in the movies... like when they take April home for the first time there's not even a car driving by :lol:
Yeah, which I really didn't at all because some people would still freak out when they saw them and other times it was like omg it's the TMNT yay!!!

Yeah I didn't think of that one it's been years since I've watched the movies since I refuse to buy the dvd's because I know the moment I do special ones will come out right after..:roll:
But anyway about no cars in the movie, perhaps they just didn't think of it *shruggs*

ToTheNines

03-21-2008, 05:47 PM

Yeah I didn't think of that one it's been years since I've watched the movies since I refuse to buy the dvd's because I know the moment I do special ones will come out right after..:roll:

Do like I do:
TMNT 1 $3 at a garage sale
Secret of the Ooze was a birthday gift
TMNT III came from good old Santa

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 05:48 PM

Do like I do:
TMNT 1 $3 at a garage sale
Secret of the Ooze was a birthday gift
TMNT III came from good old Santa
1. good idea
2. sounds good
3. couldn't pay me to have it.:lol:

ToTheNines

03-21-2008, 05:52 PM

3. couldn't pay me to have it.:lol:

lol yea, but if you turn your brain off it's not that bad of a movie (you still won't wanna watch it again for a year or so), but you'll still wanna choke Feldman for being sucha garbage Donatello.

VaughnMichael

03-21-2008, 05:56 PM

lol yea, but if you turn your brain off it's not that bad of a movie (you still won't wanna watch it again for a year or so), but you'll still wanna choke Feldman for being sucha garbage Donatello.
He's not my problem, I just can't look pst the non-henson crappy costumes..and lack of itneresting characters.
The movie should have been about Renet and Savanti and toss in Shoate for good measure.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-22-2008, 02:59 AM

I keep getting more and more curious about TMNT III. I've avoided it for years now, but after the AVGN review I kind of want to see it again.

gobo

03-22-2008, 05:15 AM

Well, if you can learn to ignore the goofy sound effects, annoying dialogue and non-Henson costumes, you'll see that it has some merit. Same goes for The Next Mutation, but they have about five times as many goofy sound effects and annoying dialogues per minute. :ohwell:

Back on-topic (or "OT" as it were)... Another thing I can say really bugged me about the classic 'toon is the fact that the first season was the best on average. With ten years of trying, you'd think they could manage another season not weighed down by unimpressive of irritatingly patronizing episodes. I swear, sometimes I felt like I was watching PBS. >_<

Krangstein

03-22-2008, 04:43 PM

I hated, in season 4 they did these "Turtle of the week" epiosdes were one turtle was in the spotlight, usually fighting some strange crazy scientist. I know they used Shredder and Krang alot, but in the end, the episodes without them were just boring... In season 4 and 5 it's just every other episode featuring Shredder and Krang, and those were the only episodes of season 4 and 5 that were any fun to watch..

Leogeddon

03-22-2008, 05:24 PM

I apologize to the Turtle allies here... but sometimes when I watch the old shows, I wish that Shredder would succeed at least a couple of times.

Coola Yagami

03-22-2008, 10:25 PM

Yeah, it's like.... we're sick of Shredder and Krang EVERY SINGLE EPISODE... but then they bring in lame-ass scientists and stuff that you're thinking "..... ok... PLEASE bring back Shredder and Krang!!"

Warhorse

03-22-2008, 10:40 PM

Most annoying, had to be a toss up between Urma, Vernon or the bosses slutty girl friend!

VaughnMichael

03-22-2008, 11:55 PM

Most annoying, had to be a toss up between Urma, Vernon or the bosses slutty girl friend!
I don't know Irmas boyfriend Howie, Vernon's nephew Foster, And Buffy Shell Hammer make my skin crawl.

TheShowstoppa

03-23-2008, 01:34 AM

Krangstein

03-23-2008, 07:37 AM

Ya know - I've bought all the season sets and solo disks so far (I'm going to pick up seasons 5 and 6 together) but I figured that halfway through the 3rd season I couldn't take it anymore. It went SO downhill that I wanted to vomit and break the other DVDs. So much so - I haven't watched any dvds past I think 4 or 5. (Yes - I own the 4th season set and have yet to watch it.) It just went to hell in a handbasket too quickly.

season 3 is actually very good, my favourite. If you hate season 3, you shouls see season 4, now that's when all went to hell.

Warhorse

03-23-2008, 07:45 AM

What season of the old toon appeared the same time as the first movie?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-23-2008, 08:00 AM

What season of the old toon appeared the same time as the first movie?

Season 4 (1990)

Scandia

03-23-2008, 08:49 AM

gobo

03-23-2008, 09:21 AM

Since Season Three wrapped in early February, the movie came out between seasons. But, it was actually closer to the end of Three than the beginning of Four...

VaughnMichael

03-23-2008, 01:15 PM

Ya know - I've bought all the season sets and solo disks so far (I'm going to pick up seasons 5 and 6 together) but I figured that halfway through the 3rd season I couldn't take it anymore. It went SO downhill that I wanted to vomit and break the other DVDs. So much so - I haven't watched any dvds past I think 4 or 5. (Yes - I own the 4th season set and have yet to watch it.) It just went to hell in a handbasket too quickly.
I don't think all the episodes are bad but I agree a handfull of the oens they used to air on weekday afternoons on fox kids where just so bad it's not even funny, I hate them as much now as I did as a kid.
The Saterday Morning CBS episodes will always be my fave ones.

Jester

03-23-2008, 01:27 PM

#The girly stunning at the start of the series!
You mean this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/th_GirlyGruntfromEvilEye.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/?action=view&current=GirlyGruntfromEvilEye.flv)

TheUltimateShredhead

03-23-2008, 06:44 PM

Wouldn't Season 3 still be playing by the time the first movie debuted? If the movie was released in March of 1990, the 3rd season was still airing.

I am basing this on the fact that Season 3 and Movie 1 both aired when I was in the 7th grade.

Funny you mention this cause i can remember a episode in season 3 where one of the turtles(i think it was michaelangelo) sayed "who would wonna watch a movie about us?":P

You mean this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/th_GirlyGruntfromEvilEye.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/?action=view&current=GirlyGruntfromEvilEye.flv)

Yes... but i think i heard it in more episodes to:ohwell:

themaxonline

03-23-2008, 10:58 PM

Sometimes it seems like I'm the only one that likes all of the seasons! Well, to some degree. I'm not a fan of the Dregg stuff but I still can't wait for them to come out on DVD!!

Krang

03-24-2008, 12:05 AM

Same here. Sure, there are episodes here and there that aren't very good, and I like some seasons more than others, but I enjoy all of the seasons overall.

TheUltimateShredhead

03-24-2008, 01:52 AM

Well i enjoy all the seasons to, but sens im such a big fan it's really a disapointment to see the errors throughout the series!

Dan

03-24-2008, 02:29 AM

The thing that annoyed me the most is that they would keep introducing new characters but never have them show up again. Also that the Technodrome would constantly be stuck somewhere.

ToTheNines

03-24-2008, 08:04 AM

Ya know - I've bought all the season sets and solo disks so far (I'm going to pick up seasons 5 and 6 together) but I figured that halfway through the 3rd season I couldn't take it anymore. It went SO downhill that I wanted to vomit and break the other DVDs. So much so - I haven't watched any dvds past I think 4 or 5. (Yes - I own the 4th season set and have yet to watch it.) It just went to hell in a handbasket too quickly.

You've made a mistake, friend. Volume 5 of season 3 is almost 100 percent quality episodes, and volume six has some can't miss classics.

At the very least, do yourself the favor of watching the Usagi episodes and "The Big" series finale.

themaxonline

03-24-2008, 09:21 AM

My favourite episode types were, of course, technodrome moving ones and ones that had recurring guests. I especially like the one in Season 7 ?, Night of the Rogues! Just because it has so many past bad guys in it! It really should have been a major two parter that contained more good guy guests aside from whoever was in it. I think Casey Jones and... well, was that it?

I've been thinking about rewatching the series again up until the new season comes out. Just so it can be fresh in my mind. heh!!

Coola Yagami

03-24-2008, 08:21 PM

It was Casey Jones and Zack, ad then good ol Splinter and April.... so yeah... Shredder has this major line-up of dangerous villians.... and all the Turtles had were just their regular sensei, miss damsel in distress, a nut with a hockey mask and a crazy kid that thinks he's a turtle.... whoa.... What sucks more is they that team-up helped defeat all the bad guys regardless... Well it didn't help that that particular episode's 'moral' was the turtles discovering just how useful regular humans are to them, so they were kinda forced to just use their human allies rather than calling more capable friends like the Punk Frogs, Usagi, Mondo Gecko and Bugman...

What also annoyed me of the series was how they would introduce characters that would never stick around like what Dan just said. I don't mind when they have excuses like Lotus being a drifter and the Frogs living in Florida... but when they have Mona Lisa say she's moving to New York to stay closer to Raph and that Mondo Gecko is gonna be their neighbor.. and yet they NEVER show up again.... I mean that just sucks. And like.. will Don ever re-activate Metalhead again or was he turned into a pizza oven? Why didn't they run into Lotus more often? Surely they would crossed paths since she operates in New York, being hired by several criminal figures... Did Don just plain give up on trying to send Usagi back home? I mean they sent Hokum hare back to storybook land right away, but as far as we know, Usagi is trapped in New York with Obento forever.

And why did they get rid of most of the supporting cast in Red Sky? Of all the 'guest stars' only Casey and Rat King appeared during the Red Sky eps, one episode each. Hell who knows, maybe they could have made Casey a regular instead of introducing Carter.

Gen. Gato

03-24-2008, 09:44 PM

I agree with a lot of what you guys have said so far. But, even though a few people have mentioned Mondo Gecko, what about Mondo Gecko HIMSELF?

<rant>
Maybe he's not so bad if you haven't read the comics, but even so he kind of annoys me. His voice, mainly. But... A lot of the voices weren't wonderful. Mondo's definitely wasn't the worst, but still. But he also looks quite a bit different from the comic version, which was a lot better by comparison.

His skateboard... What was up with that thing? It has a friggin' motor on it.

And the way they changed his entire backstory... He was a baby gecko crawling around in the same ooze as the turtles. It seems like they took the easy way out. In the comics, he was this awesome HUMAN teenager who had his own rock band called Merciless Slaughter. That Mondo was my hero... The cartoon Mondo, not so much.
</rant>

Coola Yagami

03-24-2008, 10:03 PM

True, I didn't like the whole 'he was always there' kinda thing. In fact I always hate those kind 'it was always like this but we didn't see it' kind of retcons. I mean, I see the first episode and don't remember seeing no friggin gecko walking around the same Mutagen the turtles were in the flashback Splinter recalled. I mean, even Mr. X took Gecko away before Hamato Yoshi would arrive to find his turtles covered in goo... why the hell didn't he take the turtles too? hell, why the hell did he take the gecko to begin with? Does he go around looking for animals crawling around in glowing goo? How did he know the gecko would mutate into a dude he could use for his plans?? It also kinda sickens to me know that Shredder wasn't the only super villian running around at the time. Why didn't Mr. X surface until the CBS episodes then?

Well anyways... I mean it is a kid's cartoon and I guess like General Gato said, they needed a quick origin fix and all... but yeah, I liked Mondo Gecko, any way we can get him. A bad-ass skateboarding dude that could be Mike's much needed best bud. I know his story sucked in the show, but he still could have appeared in more episodes. Another Mike and Gecko episode where they team up, now that they're already friends, would have been cool. I did like how Gecko moved in with them for a while in the Archie comics and almost felt kinda bad when he had to go when he joined the Mighty Mutinamals. He's an interesting contrast to the turtles... Mutant Teenagers, but Gecko has had a human life beforehand that the Turtles could have asked about. First hand look at a real teenager's life, since April was already way past that and didn't think that much beyond her career.

Gen. Gato

03-24-2008, 10:59 PM

That's true, I do love Mondo in general. I was so excited when I found the Mondo episode again recently... Then I remembered how much it kinda sucked. But I still loved it ^^ Not as much as the comics, though. Comic-Mondo... He just rocks my world and lights up my life.

I think I really might have cried a bit when they just killed off all the Mutanimals that one time. That was so lame >.> But Mondo still lives on, in my head, and in my heart.

Sorry, that was corny, but I couldn't resist xD

ToTheNines

03-25-2008, 10:20 AM

how they would introduce characters that would never stick around like what Dan just said. I don't mind when they have excuses like Lotus being a drifter and the Frogs living in Florida... but when they have Mona Lisa say she's moving to New York to stay closer to Raph and that Mondo Gecko is gonna be their neighbor.. and yet they NEVER show up again.... I mean that just sucks. And like.. will Don ever re-activate Metalhead again or was he turned into a pizza oven? Why didn't they run into Lotus more often? Surely they would crossed paths since she operates in New York, being hired by several criminal figures... Did Don just plain give up on trying to send Usagi back home? I mean they sent Hokum hare back to storybook land right away, but as far as we know, Usagi is trapped in New York with Obento forever.

Yeah the fact that they never wrapped up the Usagi thing is probably the thing that annoys me the most. The absence of Metalhead, Mona Lisa and the Punk Frogs pisses me off too.

PS: Mondo Gecko has atleast one more appearance, it's in season 7.

themaxonline

03-25-2008, 03:10 PM

I would have liked to have seen at least one more Lotus episode, maybe in season 7. I liked storylines that delt with ancient Japan and Splinter and Shredder's past and since they had better stories in that season, a Lotus episode would have been killer!

Gen. Gato

03-25-2008, 03:56 PM

Yeah, Mondo does show up again. All I remember is something about a mutant hunter and then Mondo shows up out of nowhere. It's kind of funny because the turtles say something along the lines of 'We were wondering what happened to you...' almost like it's some kind of in-joke.

It's not just TMNT that does this, but a lot of cartoons and comics will add in all kinds of new characters all the time, then they show up once and mysteriously disappear forever... What's the point?

Revan

03-25-2008, 04:15 PM

I have one.
Mona Lisa was only in one dam episode! She was so fun and then nothing ever again. :cry:

ToTheNines

03-25-2008, 07:57 PM

What's the point?

Sell toys.

Revan

03-25-2008, 08:04 PM

Sell toys.
And it worked too. I have several figures that appeared only once. Some of my favorite toys were of that nature. Mono Lisa included of course.

VaughnMichael

03-25-2008, 08:12 PM

And it worked too. I have several figures that appeared only once. Some of my favorite toys were of that nature. Mono Lisa included of course.
Same here, but I don't think it would kill them to bring the characters into the new show, oh wait it'd kill the Mirage elitists omgz the world is over!:lol:

themaxonline

03-25-2008, 10:32 PM

Another thing for me were the inconsistancies. Like the appearance of portals and even how the portals worked from one episode to the next. How far the turtles could jump or how high. Sometimes it was high but that episode in early season 4, the one with the marble soldiers, they could barely jump over that grate in the sewers. Michaelangelo didn't even make it.

Sage Ninja

03-25-2008, 11:28 PM

yeah that jump over the grate in season four in the sewers was narrow enough that I think even I could have made it across. :roll: It was pretty pitiful that four teenaged, ninja trained, naturally athletic, turtles couldn't make a jump that any one could leap over if they really had to. But I didn't get the danger of the grate any way? They where under ground in the sewers for goodness sakes, how deep could it have been? How bad of a fall would it have been if the turtles had missed the ledge? It couldn't have been deep enough to be fatal.

cowabungalives

03-26-2008, 05:13 AM

I don't think I've fully seen seasons 9 or 10. o-o Or season 8 for that matter. I have to get all the eps on DVD! D:

Coola Yagami

03-26-2008, 08:58 AM

Sage Ninja

03-27-2008, 01:47 PM

And of course how in Red Sky the turtles suddenly couldn't do anything unless they transformed...

that was my biggest freakin' gripe with Red Sky. Finnally the show gets serious and they have a legitimate threat and the show goes and spoils that by making the turtles helpless unless the turn into the incrediable hulk :x The muation thing could have been a cool plot twist but I hated the way they executed it. Other than that, unpon a second viewing Red Sky wasn't that bad.

Gen. Gato

03-27-2008, 03:57 PM

Sell toys.
Oh... And I fell for it, too =(

The worst part is, I don't even have any of my old toys. I used to have probably as much as I do now (I posted my ridiculously vast collection in the collection photos thread), but one horrible day, I came home from school and my mom was like 'Oh, guess what! I cleaned out your closet.' She got rid of pretty much all of my turtles toys, as well as a lot of my other ones. I'm still mourning the loss of all those Happy Meal prizes... T_T

We'll probably never see Yaotl's stone generals from the 2007 movie ever again, but I still got the toys xD They're all kinds of pure JOY to play with (except for Serpiente and her glowing boobs), though, so I guess I'm not a total sucker. -getting off topic-

Hmmm... In general, I guess I don't have much to add that hasn't been said, but some of the things that annoyed me personally were:

-Careless mistakes, like when a turtle would speak with the wrong voice.

-The way the Donny and Mikey's personalities were amplified to the max, but they toned Raph waaay down and Leo never really had a very distinct personality (to me).

-That one episode in particular that was all about Splinter's 'kimono'. I don't remember if they ever referred to it as that in other episodes, but it just bugged me that they kept calling it that. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the thing Splinter wears is called a 'yukata'.

-The animation in some of the later seasons. Some of those episodes were embarrassing just to watch.

There were a few other things as well, but it could mostly be forgiven because TMNT was, after all, a children's cartoons back in the 80's/90's. Really, nothing ever annoyed me when I was a kid... Partially because I didn't really know any better or I wouldn't notice the obvious careless mistakes, and partially because I was a little kid growing up in the early 90's :D

Sage Ninja

03-29-2008, 11:52 PM

Maybe he's not so bad if you haven't read the comics, but even so he kind of annoys me. His voice, mainly. But... A lot of the voices weren't wonderful. Mondo's definitely wasn't the worst, but still. But he also looks quite a bit different from the comic version, which was a lot better by comparison.

huh,I really liked Mondo Geko in the cartoon and I didn't find his origin all that bad eighther. I have never read the archie comics so he is the only version I have to go on, but I really liked the way his character was represented in the toon with him being a street wise criminal. It made for a good contrast for Michaelangelo's idealistic warrior honor that he was brought up in.

-The way the Donny and Mikey's personalities were amplified to the max

sure this is the only medium where Don and Mike wheren't treated as something other than wall paper.

Gen. Gato

03-30-2008, 01:21 AM

huh,I really liked Mondo Geko in the cartoon and I didn't find his origin all that bad eighther. I have never read the archie comics so he is the only version I have to go on, but I really liked the way his character was represented in the toon with him being a street wise criminal. It made for a good contrast for Michaelangelo's idealistic warrior honor that he was brought up in.

sure this is the only medium where Don and Mike wheren't treated as something other than wall paper.

Well, I'm a comic purist... an extreme one. So anything that deviates too much just makes my brain go 'WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!'

And I don't think you understand. Donny was super-nerdy and Mikey was super-bad-surfer-stereotype. If you think they got sort of pushed into the background in the new movie, I agree, but for example, in the 2003 cartoon, the turtles personalities were a bit more accurate all around and they all had pretty equal screen time.

Coola Yagami

03-30-2008, 08:15 AM

Except for Mike who is still permamently jammed in surfer mode...

Gen. Gato

03-30-2008, 01:25 PM

Except for Mike who is still permamently jammed in surfer mode...

True... But they have toned him down a bit. I don't recall him saying things like 'Mondo tubuloso' any time recently xD I did find his surfer lingo kind of endearing, but if you spend a whole day watching episodes that revolve mostly around Mikey, it gets old >.>

General Traag

03-30-2008, 04:37 PM

Actually those 'surfer-lines' still crack me up today including the unavoidable 'dude' behind every sentence (it may be a fine line between funny and emberassing though hehe).

What really annoyed me was the increasing amount of 'fillers' in the later seasons which featured mobsters and scientists who looked pretty much the same and had nearly the same boring plots.
That, and the absence of anything ninja-ish.

Then again i allways saw the ot more as a sitcom. °_^

Fugitoid Jones

04-01-2008, 12:59 AM

Actually those 'surfer-lines' still crack me up today including the unavoidable 'dude' behind every sentence (it may be a fine line between funny and emberassing though hehe).

I kinda agree. The surfer lingo was representative of the time. Annoying surfer guys and stoner teens really talked like that. So it does have a certain charm to it. Even if it can get pretty annoying after a few episodes back to back.

I'm sure this has been talked about already, but one thing that really annoyed me was Casey Jones only showing up for one episode. It's strange to think about how big of a part he is in Turtle lore, yet he only made one appearance in the old toon. (he did only appear once, am I correct?)

I think a common gripe amongst us Turtle fans is that we are pissed off about how cool characters like Usagi and Casey and Mona Lisa and Lotus and Mondo Gecko had very few appearances in such a long running show. Oh well. All we can do is look back and say "what the sh!t?"

Coola Yagami

04-01-2008, 01:33 AM

Casey Jones was in 2 episodes of the Season 3 run.. I think 2 of the CBS episodes and 1 of the Red Sky eps.

Usagi was only in 2 eps, but then again they have to ask Stan Sakai permission I guess.

Mondo Gecko was in 2 episodes and Mona Lisa was only in one. To be fair, characters like Mona Lisa (and Merdude, Scumbug, Antrax and such) were introduced fairly late in the toyline and the show.... and then Red Sky got rid of all the 'extras', so it sorta stands to reason that some of them only had 1 appearance.

Tora_Chan

04-01-2008, 01:36 AM

I kinda agree. The surfer lingo was representative of the time. Annoying surfer guys and stoner teens really talked like that. So it does have a certain charm to it. Even if it can get pretty annoying after a few episodes back to back.

I'm sure this has been talked about already, but one thing that really annoyed me was Casey Jones only showing up for one episode. It's strange to think about how big of a part he is in Turtle lore, yet he only made one appearance in the old toon. (he did only appear once, am I correct?)

I think a common gripe amongst us Turtle fans is that we are pissed off about how cool characters like Usagi and Casey and Mona Lisa and Lotus and Mondo Gecko had very few appearances in such a long running show. Oh well. All we can do is look back and say "what the sh!t?"

No, he did appear in four episodes. First time, of course, in Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero, second time in Corporate Raiders From Dimension X, third time in Night of the Rogues and the fourth and last time in Cyber Turtles.
So it was more than one time, but in my opinion still nowhere near enough, considering what an important character Casey was in the original comic and how many episodes they had.

Coola Yagami

04-01-2008, 02:35 AM

Ah, make that 5 times.. you forgot he was also in Leonardo Cuts Loose.

Fugitoid Jones

04-01-2008, 02:36 AM

Ooops. My bad. I wasn't able to watch every episode of the toon when I was a kid, and I don't have all the dvd's yet, so I was under the impression that CJ only made 1 appearance. Thanks for correcting me.

Revan

04-01-2008, 07:58 AM

AquaParade

04-01-2008, 05:29 PM

:lol:This is the biggest non stickied thread on the page.

Sage Ninja

04-02-2008, 11:55 PM

Casey is a fun character but the OT didn't really need him. It already had 4 male main characters and kids want to see the turtles, not another human character. (Unless it's a pretty reporter in yellow jump suit who kids will crush on for years!):lol:

Blasphemy! OT Casey Jones was awsome, and strangely enough...seemed closer to mirage Casey in terms of badassness than his new toon counter-part. :o Who seems to have suffered the same fate as Mikey and has been turned into a goof ball.

Revan

04-03-2008, 05:53 AM

Oh I definately agree, OT casey was a bad ass but the OT itself wasn't so he didn't really fit in and wasn't really needed since the turtles rarely had trouble sending shredder fleeing back to the technodrome.

gobo

04-03-2008, 12:15 PM

What annoyed you most on the old toon?
Zach, the honorary fifth turtle.

General Traag

04-03-2008, 12:23 PM

Uhya zack...ugh *shudder* Especially this one episode with wingnut & screwloose. :dead:

And ot casey jones was indeed badass, i especially liked his voice and the fact he was looking for a job with his hockey mask on, priceless :D
(unlike the soccer-mom nt casey jones who reminds me more of ot michelangelo).

Eiko

04-03-2008, 10:37 PM

what annoyed me was Donatello always had the right gadget on him all the time nearly every time the turtles were in trouble Don would whip out his latest invention.

Coola Yagami

04-04-2008, 08:12 AM

This looks like the perfect opportunity to try out my latest invention!!! :)

VaughnMichael

04-04-2008, 12:15 PM

This looks like the perfect opportunity to try out my latest invention!!! :)
The Automatic Pizza Feeder!?:lol:

Jack Skellington

04-05-2008, 08:31 PM

hokum hare nuff said

gobo

04-05-2008, 09:01 PM

:lol: Good point! We keep complaining that the DVDs skip his second and (mercifully) last appearance... But, who's actually going to watch it if and when we get it??

VaughnMichael

04-05-2008, 11:40 PM

:lol: Good point! We keep complaining that the DVDs skip his second and (mercifully) last appearance... But, who's actually going to watch it if and when we get it??
I will at least once and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Jack Skellington

04-05-2008, 11:48 PM

TheUltimateShredhead

04-06-2008, 02:56 AM

what annoyed me was Donatello always had the right gadget on him all the time nearly every time the turtles were in trouble Don would whip out his latest invention.

Well he was an inventor:ohwell:

themaxonline

04-06-2008, 09:55 AM

With no pockets. lol! ;)

Jester

04-06-2008, 10:06 AM

With no pockets. lol! ;)
Exactly, I've always wondered where they kept their Turtle Comms.

Revan

04-06-2008, 11:59 AM

Exactly, I've always wondered where they kept their Turtle Comms.
right here
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/tmnt/play2-new.gif

gobo

04-06-2008, 12:07 PM

Something tells me those are inappropriate visuals for a children's show. :lol:

Jester

04-06-2008, 01:54 PM

right here
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/tmnt/play2-new.gif
Er....uh....yeah, that's what he's doing.

Anarchistguy

04-06-2008, 01:58 PM

One of the many things that annoyed me after checking out the other mediums is...they never used their nicknames. There was no Leo, Mike/y, Don/ny and Raph. It was ALWAYS Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Donatello and Raphael.

Spitfire

04-06-2008, 03:31 PM

Er....uh....yeah, that's what he's doing.

Killing kittens.

Anarchistguy

04-06-2008, 03:52 PM

Killing kittens.

:|

...

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...

Cool :thumbsup:

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 04:23 PM

Killing kittens.
No that's what Neutrinos new sig is doing...god that baby turtle art from the lost season looks so cheap ugh

Revan

04-06-2008, 05:21 PM

i love the tots! go toddlers go toddlers go!

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 05:42 PM

i love the tots! go toddlers go toddlers go!
You lose a thousand cool points and now have partial Dromes Syndrome in my book goooooo Dromes! :P:lol:
Btw I'm kidding but Dromes Syndrome is a serious thing and is no laughing matter.
The toddler Turtles are cute in the 2k3 episodes but those looney tunes babies knock offs in the lost season I'd like to see devoured by the Sh'okonabo and turned into drones.

Scandia

04-06-2008, 05:49 PM

In the OT they are not called Toddler Turtles. Mikey refers to them as Microdudes.

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 05:55 PM

In the OT they are not called Toddler Turtles. Mikey refers to them as Microdudes.
No one's talking about the old toon Scandia....

TheUltimateShredhead

04-06-2008, 06:02 PM

Could some one explain what dromes syndrome is:-?

Scandia

04-06-2008, 06:04 PM

For some reason I misread "lost season" as "old toon". I have no clue why. I guess I have been in the Drome too much.

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 06:24 PM

Could some one explain what dromes syndrome is:-?
It's something I made up for people on here it's sort of dissing them I guess...
But with Neutrino I'm kidding but I do hate the baby turtles in that episode, mostly because of the huge eyes and buck teeth.
For some reason I misread "lost season" as "old toon". I have no clue why. I guess I have been in the Drome too much.
It's ok Scan another case of Dromes Syndrome. :lol:

Jester

04-06-2008, 06:27 PM

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/pics/tots.jpg
Turtles of the Corn!!!

TheUltimateShredhead

04-06-2008, 06:28 PM

It's something I made up for people on here it's sort of dissing them I guess.
But with Neutrino I'm kidding but I do hate the baby turtles in that episode, mostly because of the huge eyes and buck teeth.

Oh! And i thought it was a official term with a specified definition and every thing:P 'hitting my self in the head with a hammer'

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 06:30 PM

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/pics/tots.jpg
Turtles of the Corn!!!
The one on the left looks like how the used to draw Asian people in bugs bunny cartoons before everything became politically correct.
Oh wait they don't show those anymore aren't those Bugs cartoons now banned?
Or seriously they really do look like the baby Looney Tunes...
http://www.coloring-kids.com/images/serie-tv-baby-looney-tunes-21.gif
Oh! And i thought it was a official term with a specified definition and every thing:P 'hitting my self in the head with a hammer'
Careful You'll give yourself the Dromes.
It's something I came up with one night while talking to forum member Spitfire on aim.
I'd say the real definition but I don't think many Dromers would like it hehe.

Revan

04-06-2008, 06:32 PM

Jester

04-06-2008, 06:38 PM

"A few canon goofs"? Neutrino, my friend, that episode was more of a ret-conn than a collection of mistakes in the established canon.

VaughnMichael

04-06-2008, 06:43 PM

*takes a sharp veer off topic*
That seems to be the general consensus, at least around the drome, about "fathers and sons." I thought the story was ok, although a few canon goofs. Didn't mind seeing some early turtles but I will agree that the designs could, and probably should have been better.
Really???? I thought everyone loved it besides myself and spitfire lol but hey what else is new it seems he and I agree on almost everything.
I think the reason most member like it is because a large portion of the members of the site are teenage girls or girls in the early 20's who love babies.
Me while I don't have a problem with real babies, I'd like to keep them just that real and not see them in my favorite cartoon about Ninjas who happen to be turtles lol.
I don't mind the 2k3 episodes about them because they're not quite so little in those and they don't cry ever 2 seconds about something and are only in flash backs.
I don't know it really could just be the huge eyes and buck teeth annoy the hell out of me, I was rooting for the demon who wanted to eat them the entire time lol.
Now I'm just rambling...not like any of this matters anyway.