What annoyed you most on the old toon?

Donatello · 01-08-2003, 11:49 AM

though we all love it, the old TMNT toon was flawed, raph was a smartass instead of a badass, don was too nerdy, and mike was overdone, but the thing that bothered me most was the episode where leo was afraid of snakes.

What bugged you the most?

*Anarchistguy* · 01-08-2003, 12:15 PM

Shredder being a crybaby working for a "Utrom wannabe"(Krang)
And the fact that there was pratically no sign of martial arts it that
show.

*Jephael* · 01-08-2003, 12:17 PM

I always liked that ep. It went to show our fearless leader had his own character flaws.

The only thing that ever pissed me off was the way they made the Neutrinos act like rejects from a Happy Days episode. Grantid it was a cool concept to have characters like that, but they got really annoying around the third season. I was glad when they tuned it down with the '50s lingo when they appeared in 1993.

TMNTGal · 01-08-2003, 12:39 PM

The "Snakes Alive" episode was kinda dumb. Leo afraid?! That's such crap. He's not afraid of anything! He's Mr. Perfect!

I also disliked Leo's voice change. It was whiny and strange. I loved that deeper sexy voice he used to have in earlier episodes. *drool*

The animation got a little sloppier later on too. It wasn't as awesome as it was in the first seasons. They made up for it though with Red Sky's animation.

Removing Mike's Nunchakus

Fighting was removed and replaced with slap stick. ugh..

Irma, Burne & Vernon were very annoying. LOL!

**Karpo_007** · 01-08-2003, 12:45 PM

The lack of Imagination in the writer department. Well to put it simple, They used same plot over and over again. Of course this didn't bother me as a kid, But now that I have watched the show again, It really does. Well there are of course the few great David Wise eps here and there, But most of the episodes were just repeating.

The goofines. The first season had a dark and cool feeling in it, And lot of action too, but that changed during the second season and forth. The action was replaced by lapstick humour, and so many writers were doing the show that there wasn't continuity.

But the Redsky is really diffrent from the rest of the series. It has good animation, lots of action and continuity.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 01-08-2003, 12:47 PM

The Ninja Turtles cartoon is my baby. I mean, that's the thing that got me started on my whole Ninja Turtles kick. So I don't think there were many flaws to it.

The only thing that I don't remember too fondly about it - and maybe this is a flaw for me - was the fact that the writers took everything that made the show and threw it out the window.

They took out the comedy.
They took out all the wonderful side characters over the years.
They took out the great music.
They took out the light-hearted good nature of the series.

The end result? Hyper-mutant turtles which dragged the cartoon into science-fiction territory. The end result? An blue alien creature with pink glowing eyes that was somehow supposed to dorph the villain that Shredder was.

Whatever.

Now I'll give Seasons 9 and 10 their due. They were okay. But that's not how the series should have ended. It should have ended with what it started with, and that was all the characters, the comedy, the music, and whatever else, intact and alive. The Turtles should have defeated Krang and Shredder - not killed them but trapped them in Dimension X, for example - and let it be.

Let the Turtles ride off into the sunset that is post-cartoon retirement and enjoy their glory days. But no. We had to spice up the show all for the sake of ratings. We had to change the look and feel of the show and pretty much get rid of everything that made it a success just so we can draw back those viewers who've grown weary of watching it.

Whatever.

If there's anything I find flawed in the show, it's the fact that the Ninja Turtles cartoon went on for two seasons too long. It should have ended with Season 8. Although, as I just said, Seasons 9 and 10 had their good moments.

But when people think back on the show, they don't remember Dregg and Mung and Hi-Tech. They remember Shredder and Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady. When people look back on the show, they don't remember the Dreggnaut. They remember the Technodrome, and the Foot Skis, and the Turtle Van, and the Turtle Blimp.

The only flaw in the show, in my opinion, were Seasons 9 and 10. Those seasons weren't the Ninja Turtles. Those seasons were like Ninja Turtles: The Next Generation, or some stupid thing like that.

I will always think highly of the first eight seasons of the show. Seasons 9 and 10, however -

Whatever.

"My name is Oroku Saki. But you may call me . . . the Shredder!"
"A kitchen utensil?"

Shredder and Raphael, from "Enter: The Shredder"

**Karpo_007** · 01-08-2003, 12:53 PM

I can't comment, Im still going at season 8, And so far it is the best thing after season 1. Can the 2 last seasons be really that bad?

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 01-08-2003, 01:04 PM

If you haven't yet seen the last two seasons, let me just say this much.

The animation is terrible in Season 9. It was like the animators weren't even trying. It was definitely better in Season 10, however. It more resembled Season 8's animation.

The stories were darker than ever before in Season 9. Raphael acts like a jerk through the entire season. He acts like he wants to pick a fight with anything that moves. He was toned down a bit in Season 10, defintely a good move by Jeffrey Scott, who wrote all that season's episodes.

Good Lord, April looks awful in Season 9. She's hardly recognizeable.

Where did Irma, Vernon, Burne Thompson, Channel 6, and the Turtle Blimp go? Oh, yeah, they were all written out of the show. And we can't forget about Shredder, Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and anything else that will even remotely remind us of the old cartoon. Shredder and company are brought back in Season 10, however, definitely a highlight for the season.

The sewers look different in Season 9. They are changed back into their more familiar format in Season 10.

Season 9 is okay. If you're looking for serious stories with pretty much no humor but plenty of kick-butt action, you may like this season, despite the fact that there's a whole new villain.

Season 10 is a huge improvement in just about everything. It's like everyone suddenly noticed how awful Season 9 was, and they bent over backwards to give Season 10 a makeover.

Season 9 is okay. Season 10 is better. But they were two seasons that shouldn't have come to pass. They have their bright moments, but "bright moments" aren't enough to salvage entire seasons.

"It looks like it's back to the ol' pet shop for us!" - Raphael, from "Shredder is Splintered"

**Karpo_007** · 01-08-2003, 01:07 PM

Well I think they were making it darker o make it like the original TMNT. At that point, they probably couldn't have done it with shredder. But I can see how much of shock it was to those kids who had watched the cartoon for many years.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 01-08-2003, 01:20 PM

I guess we'll never really understand why everyone involved gave the series such a huge makeover. Season 8 was a good transition, but then they took it about ten steps further in Season 9.

I really hate to bash the last two seasons, since they are a part of the Ninja Turtles world. But knowing what the series was - and then what it eventually became - is kind of frustrating.

I don't really have a problem with change. I thought Season 8 was done well. But when you strip the show of everything that made it a success and try to come up with a new concept, people are naturally going to have their opinions about it.

The only things that survived the makeover were the four Turtles, old and trusty Splinter, and the Turtle Van. April barely survived; thank God her voice actor was brought back!

But the four frogs? History.
The Neutrinos? Gone.
Dimension X? Dimension what?
Pizza? Yeah, okay, sure . . .

I have grown more receptive to Seasons 9 and 10 over the years. I have been watching those seasons more so that I can appreciate what they are, as opposed to what they aren't. And it is taking time.

I will never fully embrace Seasons 9 and 10 like I have the first eight seasons of the show. But I will give them credit where it is due - for two years, those episodes satisfied my Ninja Turtles craving on Saturday morning.

And for that, I give those seasons a thumbs up.

General Tragg: "Lord Krang? Where are you going?"
Krang: "Well, dude, I thought -"
Michaelangelo: "- I'd go for a pizza!"

From "Shredder Triumphant!"

**Karpo_007** · 01-08-2003, 01:22 PM

Well it's better with new new show. It starts as a Dark series, and most probably will stay that way.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 01-08-2003, 01:26 PM

The one thing I am keeping in mind with this new cartoon is to appreciate it for what it is. If I compare it to the old one, I'm not going to like it all that much.

But if I appreciate it for what it is, as opposed to what it isn't, I think I may like the new cartoon.

"I'm talking to a video game here!" - Leonardo, from "Leonardo vs. Tempestra"

raphael90 · 01-08-2003, 01:55 PM

The things that annoyed me most about the Turtle's cartoon:

1. Whenever the wrong voice comes out of the wrong character. For example:

Shredder is fighting the monster in 'Killer Pizzas' and Leonardo knocks him out of the way or something. Shredder accuses the Turtle saying "I had him right where I wanted him" And then it shows Raphael but out comes Leonardo's voice "Sure you did"

2 . Any animation that made the Turtles look stupid. Case in point the episode "A thing about rats"....that is the worst animation I've ever seen for the Turtles. The Turtles look like major dorks, especially near the end. Krang looks pretty awful too.

3. Unturtle things like when the Turtle's see the evil plant tearing up the street on 'It Came From The Sewers' and they're all like "We gotta save the city" and Leonardo goes "Turtles, I'm not sure we can"

WHAZUPWTIHTHAT?!!!

But I like the cartoon...ignore my stupid ramblings

**HorseTechie** · 01-08-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by raphael90

2 . Any animation that made the Turtles look stupid. Case in point the episode "A thing about rats"....that is the worst animation I've ever seen for the Turtles. The Turtles look like major dorks, especially near the end. Krang looks pretty awful too.

Oh yeah... I hated it when the Turtles looked like there were pregnant, or reallly fat, cause their shells were bulging. Or that the streets of NYC hardly looked like NYC.

Or in the city destruction scenes, there were NO people anywhere! Just the Turtles, a couple cars, and their enemy. *sai*

Then. it really bigged me how the guys would always call each other by their full names. And wore letters on their belts. That seemed to take away the informal, "we're close brothers/friends" feel to the show.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 01-08-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anarchistguy

And the fact that there was pratically no sign of martial arts it that show.

You've never seen the red sky eps...COMIC LOYALIST!!!!

Dontebell · 01-08-2003, 02:54 PM

vernon is the most annoyed one on the show in season 1 he was OK but in the other he was stupid and a fradiy cat

*Jephael* · 01-08-2003, 02:57 PM

I gotta agree with you people on the Channel 6 crew.

Be careful what you say though, there happens to be a Vernon fan here on the forum.

*Deathknight* · 01-08-2003, 03:47 PM

What annoyed me:
Dregg: In general he was a stupid villian and bored me
Red Sky: Not the episodes, just the whole concept of making the sky red was stupid and pointless.
Plenty of the side villians: There were a lot of really bad villians on the show, my least favorite being those stupid aliens from Artless
Mikey Losing his chucks: I was especially annoyed with this. That stupid grappling hook was useless.
Baxter Stockman: Starting in Son of Return of the Fly Baxter all of a sudden is super powerful and easily beats the crap outta Shredder and company, this made no sense what so ever. He never showed this in the previous 2 episodes where he was a fly because he had no real strength and was easily pushed around by shredder. His brain also turned to mush in those episodes too, first he was a brilliant scientist and then he's some stupid idiot who has no idea what he's doing unless the alien computer helped him.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 01-08-2003, 03:58 PM

Hey, Vernon is cool!!! And yes, watch what you say...cause although he is a frady cat, a lot of kids thought that was funny and made him more popular and just added a better aspect to the show...without Vernon there would be no TMNT..

Psycrow · 01-08-2003, 04:24 PM

When the producers got rid of Mikey's nunchucks, that was a stupid move. Also, the later seasons were very bad...

Finally, the show only survived so long because the TMNT and the characters were cool, but the writing in the show was absolutely horrible.

01-08-2003, 11:49 AM	#1
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	What annoyed you most on the old toon? though we all love it, the old TMNT toon was flawed, raph was a smartass instead of a badass, don was too nerdy, and mike was overdone, but the thing that bothered me most was the episode where leo was afraid of snakes. What bugged you the most?

01-08-2003, 12:17 PM	#3
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I always liked that ep. It went to show our fearless leader had his own character flaws. The only thing that ever pissed me off was the way they made the Neutrinos act like rejects from a Happy Days episode. Grantid it was a cool concept to have characters like that, but they got really annoying around the third season. I was glad when they tuned it down with the '50s lingo when they appeared in 1993. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-08-2003, 12:39 PM	#4
TMNTGal Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,061	The "Snakes Alive" episode was kinda dumb. Leo afraid?! That's such crap. He's not afraid of anything! He's Mr. Perfect! I also disliked Leo's voice change. It was whiny and strange. I loved that deeper sexy voice he used to have in earlier episodes. drool The animation got a little sloppier later on too. It wasn't as awesome as it was in the first seasons. They made up for it though with Red Sky's animation. Removing Mike's Nunchakus Fighting was removed and replaced with slap stick. ugh.. Irma, Burne & Vernon were very annoying. LOL! __________________

01-08-2003, 01:55 PM	#13
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	annoyed me most The things that annoyed me most about the Turtle's cartoon: 1. Whenever the wrong voice comes out of the wrong character. For example: Shredder is fighting the monster in 'Killer Pizzas' and Leonardo knocks him out of the way or something. Shredder accuses the Turtle saying "I had him right where I wanted him" And then it shows Raphael but out comes Leonardo's voice "Sure you did" 2 . Any animation that made the Turtles look stupid. Case in point the episode "A thing about rats"....that is the worst animation I've ever seen for the Turtles. The Turtles look like major dorks, especially near the end. Krang looks pretty awful too. 3. Unturtle things like when the Turtle's see the evil plant tearing up the street on 'It Came From The Sewers' and they're all like "We gotta save the city" and Leonardo goes "Turtles, I'm not sure we can" WHAZUPWTIHTHAT?!!! But I like the cartoon...ignore my stupid ramblings __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

01-08-2003, 02:57 PM	#17
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I gotta agree with you people on the Channel 6 crew. Be careful what you say though, there happens to be a Vernon fan here on the forum. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-08-2003, 12:15 PM	#2
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Shredder being a crybaby working for a "Utrom wannabe"(Krang) And the fact that there was pratically no sign of martial arts it that show.

01-08-2003, 12:45 PM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The lack of Imagination in the writer department. Well to put it simple, They used same plot over and over again. Of course this didn't bother me as a kid, But now that I have watched the show again, It really does. Well there are of course the few great David Wise eps here and there, But most of the episodes were just repeating. The goofines. The first season had a dark and cool feeling in it, And lot of action too, but that changed during the second season and forth. The action was replaced by lapstick humour, and so many writers were doing the show that there wasn't continuity. But the Redsky is really diffrent from the rest of the series. It has good animation, lots of action and continuity.

01-08-2003, 12:47 PM	#6
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	The Ninja Turtles cartoon is my baby. I mean, that's the thing that got me started on my whole Ninja Turtles kick. So I don't think there were many flaws to it. The only thing that I don't remember too fondly about it - and maybe this is a flaw for me - was the fact that the writers took everything that made the show and threw it out the window. They took out the comedy. They took out all the wonderful side characters over the years. They took out the great music. They took out the light-hearted good nature of the series. The end result? Hyper-mutant turtles which dragged the cartoon into science-fiction territory. The end result? An blue alien creature with pink glowing eyes that was somehow supposed to dorph the villain that Shredder was. Whatever. Now I'll give Seasons 9 and 10 their due. They were okay. But that's not how the series should have ended. It should have ended with what it started with, and that was all the characters, the comedy, the music, and whatever else, intact and alive. The Turtles should have defeated Krang and Shredder - not killed them but trapped them in Dimension X, for example - and let it be. Let the Turtles ride off into the sunset that is post-cartoon retirement and enjoy their glory days. But no. We had to spice up the show all for the sake of ratings. We had to change the look and feel of the show and pretty much get rid of everything that made it a success just so we can draw back those viewers who've grown weary of watching it. Whatever. If there's anything I find flawed in the show, it's the fact that the Ninja Turtles cartoon went on for two seasons too long. It should have ended with Season 8. Although, as I just said, Seasons 9 and 10 had their good moments. But when people think back on the show, they don't remember Dregg and Mung and Hi-Tech. They remember Shredder and Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady. When people look back on the show, they don't remember the Dreggnaut. They remember the Technodrome, and the Foot Skis, and the Turtle Van, and the Turtle Blimp. The only flaw in the show, in my opinion, were Seasons 9 and 10. Those seasons weren't the Ninja Turtles. Those seasons were like Ninja Turtles: The Next Generation, or some stupid thing like that. I will always think highly of the first eight seasons of the show. Seasons 9 and 10, however - Whatever. "My name is Oroku Saki. But you may call me . . . the Shredder!" "A kitchen utensil?" Shredder and Raphael, from "Enter: The Shredder"

01-08-2003, 12:53 PM	#7
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I can't comment, Im still going at season 8, And so far it is the best thing after season 1. Can the 2 last seasons be really that bad?

01-08-2003, 01:04 PM	#8
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	If you haven't yet seen the last two seasons, let me just say this much. The animation is terrible in Season 9. It was like the animators weren't even trying. It was definitely better in Season 10, however. It more resembled Season 8's animation. The stories were darker than ever before in Season 9. Raphael acts like a jerk through the entire season. He acts like he wants to pick a fight with anything that moves. He was toned down a bit in Season 10, defintely a good move by Jeffrey Scott, who wrote all that season's episodes. Good Lord, April looks awful in Season 9. She's hardly recognizeable. Where did Irma, Vernon, Burne Thompson, Channel 6, and the Turtle Blimp go? Oh, yeah, they were all written out of the show. And we can't forget about Shredder, Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and anything else that will even remotely remind us of the old cartoon. Shredder and company are brought back in Season 10, however, definitely a highlight for the season. The sewers look different in Season 9. They are changed back into their more familiar format in Season 10. Season 9 is okay. If you're looking for serious stories with pretty much no humor but plenty of kick-butt action, you may like this season, despite the fact that there's a whole new villain. Season 10 is a huge improvement in just about everything. It's like everyone suddenly noticed how awful Season 9 was, and they bent over backwards to give Season 10 a makeover. Season 9 is okay. Season 10 is better. But they were two seasons that shouldn't have come to pass. They have their bright moments, but "bright moments" aren't enough to salvage entire seasons. "It looks like it's back to the ol' pet shop for us!" - Raphael, from "Shredder is Splintered"

01-08-2003, 01:07 PM	#9
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well I think they were making it darker o make it like the original TMNT. At that point, they probably couldn't have done it with shredder. But I can see how much of shock it was to those kids who had watched the cartoon for many years.

01-08-2003, 01:20 PM	#10
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	I guess we'll never really understand why everyone involved gave the series such a huge makeover. Season 8 was a good transition, but then they took it about ten steps further in Season 9. I really hate to bash the last two seasons, since they are a part of the Ninja Turtles world. But knowing what the series was - and then what it eventually became - is kind of frustrating. I don't really have a problem with change. I thought Season 8 was done well. But when you strip the show of everything that made it a success and try to come up with a new concept, people are naturally going to have their opinions about it. The only things that survived the makeover were the four Turtles, old and trusty Splinter, and the Turtle Van. April barely survived; thank God her voice actor was brought back! But the four frogs? History. The Neutrinos? Gone. Dimension X? Dimension what? Pizza? Yeah, okay, sure . . . I have grown more receptive to Seasons 9 and 10 over the years. I have been watching those seasons more so that I can appreciate what they are, as opposed to what they aren't. And it is taking time. I will never fully embrace Seasons 9 and 10 like I have the first eight seasons of the show. But I will give them credit where it is due - for two years, those episodes satisfied my Ninja Turtles craving on Saturday morning. And for that, I give those seasons a thumbs up. General Tragg: "Lord Krang? Where are you going?" Krang: "Well, dude, I thought -" Michaelangelo: "- I'd go for a pizza!" From "Shredder Triumphant!"

01-08-2003, 01:22 PM	#11
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well it's better with new new show. It starts as a Dark series, and most probably will stay that way.

01-08-2003, 01:26 PM	#12
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	The one thing I am keeping in mind with this new cartoon is to appreciate it for what it is. If I compare it to the old one, I'm not going to like it all that much. But if I appreciate it for what it is, as opposed to what it isn't, I think I may like the new cartoon. "I'm talking to a video game here!" - Leonardo, from "Leonardo vs. Tempestra"

01-08-2003, 02:54 PM	#16
Dontebell Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Flint,Mi Posts: 819	vernon is the most annoyed one on the show in season 1 he was OK but in the other he was stupid and a fradiy cat

01-08-2003, 03:47 PM	#18
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	What annoyed me: Dregg: In general he was a stupid villian and bored me Red Sky: Not the episodes, just the whole concept of making the sky red was stupid and pointless. Plenty of the side villians: There were a lot of really bad villians on the show, my least favorite being those stupid aliens from Artless Mikey Losing his chucks: I was especially annoyed with this. That stupid grappling hook was useless. Baxter Stockman: Starting in Son of Return of the Fly Baxter all of a sudden is super powerful and easily beats the crap outta Shredder and company, this made no sense what so ever. He never showed this in the previous 2 episodes where he was a fly because he had no real strength and was easily pushed around by shredder. His brain also turned to mush in those episodes too, first he was a brilliant scientist and then he's some stupid idiot who has no idea what he's doing unless the alien computer helped him. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

01-08-2003, 03:58 PM	#19
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Hey, Vernon is cool!!! And yes, watch what you say...cause although he is a frady cat, a lot of kids thought that was funny and made him more popular and just added a better aspect to the show...without Vernon there would be no TMNT..

01-08-2003, 04:24 PM	#20
Psycrow Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 435	When the producers got rid of Mikey's nunchucks, that was a stupid move. Also, the later seasons were very bad... Finally, the show only survived so long because the TMNT and the characters were cool, but the writing in the show was absolutely horrible. __________________ "Before you criticize others you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away... and you have their shoes."