Official Continuity Thread

[Aztec General]

Okay we started talking about this in the Bodycount thread but it was way off topic, so I decided to start an "Official" thread about the Mirage comic continuity.

Okay so far here is the agreed upon list:
TMNT Vol. 1
1-15, 17-21, 24-30, 43, 45-62, 4 Microseries, Fugitoid Microseries
Tales of the TMNT Vol. 1
1-7 (I believe?)
TMNT Vol. 2
1-13
TMNT Vol. 4
1-Ongoing
Flaming Carrot, Savage Dragon Crossovers, Casey Jones 2 parter, Casey Jones: North by Downeast

Am I missing any?

[Karpo_007]

I think that the Savage dragons are Image continium. Atleast some of them. And I know nothing about that Falming carrot thing, But usually cross overs aren't part of Canon. Also Some of the stories In Turtle soups could be considered as part official continium.

[Sparvid]

Yep, the Savage Dragon comic takes place in the main Image Universe, so those crossovers are probably only in the vol3 continuity...

[Karpo_007]

Flaming carrots were made earlier I think, But I still doubt they are part of canon.

EDIT: Atleast one thing is missing from the list, Challenges GN by Michael Dooney. It has a sort story for Every turtle and splinter. It also retells the Origin.

[Aztec General]

I forgot to add Issue #42 from Vol. 1. Well the first Savage Dragon/TMNT crossover was preImage TMNT. They even make reference to it in a Vol. 2 issue. The Flaming Carrot crossover was during the Volume 2 time period. I never read any of the Turtle Soups. Are they any good?

[Karpo_007]

Volume of TS is Black&white and has one issue,(I have ordered it, it is on the way) Volume 2 is in full color. They contain short stories by various artists, And some of those stories can be considered as a part of the Canon. I haven' got th first one yet, But I have read 2 of the Volume 2 ones, and I think they are good.

[Anarchistguy]

Does anyone here happen to know how Baxter Stockman turned into a cyborg
in Vol.2?

[Karpo_007]

So I've heard. But I have yet to read so far...

[Aztec General]

Hmm... okay maybe we can throw the Turtle Soups in the Canon as well. I also forgot about Michael Dooney's "Challenges". I really have to order both. Dan Berger must know me so damn well by now.

Also to add to the above list is Michael Zulli's trilogy not Canon but a fantastic story.

Does anyone here happen to know how Baxter Stockman turned into a cyborg
in Vol.2?

*Spoiler for Karpo*
He removes his own brain and inserts it into a Cyborg body.

[Aztec General]

Hmm... okay maybe we can throw the Turtle Soups in the Canon as well. I also forgot about Michael Dooney's "Challenges". I really have to order both. Dan Berger must know me so damn well by now.

Also to add to the above list is Michael Zulli's trilogy not Canon but a fantastic story.

Does anyone here happen to know how Baxter Stockman turned into a cyborg
in Vol.2?

*Spoiler for Karpo*
He removes his own brain and inserts it into a Cyborg body.

I know I clicked "Log In Permanently" this is getting annoying.

[Sauron]

Any chance he'll put it in a cyborg insectoid body? Wishful thinking :lol:

[HorseTechie]

And become an Insecticon? I don't think so... or at least not without asking for Hasbro's permission. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) :P

I have 2 out fo the three Flaming Carrot comics, but... I can't remember what publisher put them out either. Think it was Mirage... I'll go check when I think of it.

There's another TMNT crossover done by an indie publisher who did the Creed comics (by Trent Karnuga). I loved the way he drew them too.

[Karpo_007]

But the question is, are they part of the official continuity? Thre are many Mirage published books that aren't, like Grey sponge sushi turtles or haunted Pizza. There are more.

[HorseTechie]

Yeah, I know Creed wasn't a Mirage run. Did I do wrong by mentioning that? :P

Okay.. *looks at another website to check* Oh yeah, when Usagi Yojimbo was published by Mirage, Stan did a few TMNT crossovers too.

Then... *clips and pastes stuff not listed yet*

Gobbledy Go ok special (first TMNT appearance)
Shell Shock (backstory collection from Volume 1)
Tales of the TMNT #1-7
Body Count #1-4 (originally titled Casey Jones & Raphael)
Casey Jones: North by Downeast #1 & 2 (Mirage?)
Turtle Soup special
Turtle Soup #1-4
Plastron Café #1
The Haunted Pizza special
The Maltese Turtle special
Times Pipeline special (not sure if that's Mirage)
TMNT: Challenges graphic novel by Micahel Dooney
Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1 #10
Usagi Yojimbo Volume 2 #2 & 3

[Karpo_007]

Yeah atleast these aren't part of the Canon :
The Haunted Pizza special
The Maltese Turtle special
Times Pipeline special (not sure if that's Mirage)

The plastron short stories or Usagi Yojimbo might be, I don't know anything about them.

[HorseTechie]

The plastron short stories or Usagi Yojimbo might be, I don't know anything about them.
They are. I know Mirage put those out.

[Karpo_007]

Well as I said eralier, not all Mirage published are part of the Canon. If I remember correctly, the are puböished by Mirage. And for the info I have got on them, I can say they aren't part of the Canon. OF course neither are some Volume 1 guest artist issues.

The Haunted Pizza special
The Maltese Turtle special
Times Pipeline specia

[Aztec General]

Having just reread Issue 37, I want to add that issue as well to the continuity. Wow I've forgotten all about this one. What a great story. I also want to add issue 44. I don't have this one but after checking out the summary on the offical site, it sounds cool and features the Foot. I'll have to order it. So for anyone following along:

Mirage Canon
Volume 1:
1-15, 17-21, 24-30, 32, 37, 42-62
31, 35-36 Not Canon but worth owning
Tales of the TMNT:
1-7
One Shots and Specials:
Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, Michelangelo, Fugitoid, Challenges, Casey Jones: North by Downeast
Turtle Soup:
1-4 Contains some canon stories
Volume 2:
1-13
Volume 4:
1-7 (ongoing)

[Karpo_007]

I think thats pretty much it. I heard that Usago Yojimbo cross over would be Canon too, But I don't have that yet so can't confirm.

[Rick98761]

what is volume3 , no one ever talks about it

[Barkworm]

The image-sereis, which doesn't belong to the continuity.

[Nate]

I think thats pretty much it. I heard that Usago Yojimbo cross over would be Canon too, But I don't have that yet so can't confirm.

The crossover in issue 10 is just a short unrelated (to both Usagi, and TMNT) story. They meet, they fight, they're friends, the end.

[Karpo_007]

Ok, thanks for the info.

[Aztec General]

By the way, I do believe that I have ALL (well one on the way) the Mirage TMNT canon!!! :evilgrin: Does anyone think that I'm missing any?:

TMNT Vol. 1: #1-15, 17, 19-21, 24-30, 37, 42-62
Microseries: Raphael, Fugitoid, Donatello, Michelangelo, Leonardo
Tales of the TMNT Vol. 1: #1-1
TMNT Vol. 2: #1-13
TMNT Vol. 4: #1-9 (ongoing)
Specials: Challenges, Casey Jones: North by Downeast #1-2, Bodycount #1-4, Turtle Soup Vol. 1 #1, Turtle Soup Vol. 2 #1-4, Plastron Cafe #1

I do believe that is all of them! Anyone want to rain on my parade?

[Cascadia]

you need the Michelangelo christmas special

[Karpo_007]

It seem you have pretty much everything.

[Sparvid]

Anyone want to rain on my parade?Naah, but I do want to steal some of your comics... :P

[Aztec General]

Shell Shock (backstory collection from Volume 1)


What more can you tell me about this? Is it new stories or a Collected type book? Is it continuity or a stand alone? Is it worth buying?

[Karpo_007]

It has the back stories that were in reprints and such. It's very rare, I haven't been able to find one.

[impetus]

you need the Michelangelo christmas specialthat's basically the microseries unless you mean the bonus stuff

Hmm... TMNT 8 is actually going to change so it's not considered continuity, I suppose. :o And Bodycount? I just don't like it, but that's me... It is Kevin Eastman's work, so I guess it is continuity... :-?

[impetus]

It has the back stories that were in reprints and such. It's very rare, I haven't been able to find one.
I have it! Nya Nya!! :P I found it on eBay for like $8 and you could probaly get it there. try searching not only by title but by different queries like

turtle* TPB
TMNT tpb
turtle* graphic
TMNT graphic
turtle* GN
TMNT GN
turtle* comic*
TMNT comic*

etc. Using an asterisk to tail off your words will pick up singular and plurals (and also words like "turtleneck", etc). Hope that helps. Good luck!

[Aztec General]

It has the back stories that were in reprints and such. It's very rare, I haven't been able to find one.
I have it! Nya Nya!! :P I found it on eBay for like $8 and you could probaly get it there. try searching not only by title but by different queries like



So wait are there new stories in in that are not featured in other issues? Would you consider them in continuity?

[Karpo_007]

Yes, I would say they are continuity. I'l have to start looking Ebay for it.

[kicknz]

'Shell Shock' has a lot of stories that would have to be considered continuity, especially since several of them are by Eastman & Laird. There is also a story by Eastman/Laird/Lawson/etc supporting literacy, kinda, and several by Eric Talbot. It collects several stories that were originally printed in such publications as 'Anything Goes', 'Grimjack', the TMNT RPGs, the color TMNT graphic novels, and as back-up stories in TMNT single-issue reprints. Man, there are a LOT of continuity short stories out there, including several that have not been collected, like the back-ups in "Michaelangelo Christmas Special" and "The Collected Tales of the TMNT" by Lawson, and the Peter Laird short in "Plastron Cafe" #1 and even a short by Eastman & Laird in an issue of "Puma Blues" featuring the future-Raph that lives in a swamp. There are more, but that's just off the top of my head here at work.

[xZAOx]

what issue of puma blues?

[kicknz]

It's 'Puma Blues' #20.

Soon I think I may make a list of short stories by Mirage writers/artists that would have to be considered continuity and post them here.

[Sparvid]

...and then demand Mirage to collect them all in a TPB! :evilgrin:

[impetus]

A few more, most of which I own ... :D

Grim Jack #26 (short)
Annything Goes #5 (short)
- both are reprinted in Shell Shock

Usagi Yojimbo Vol 2 #2-3

Times Pipeline (special)

Grunts #1 (no TMNT, but has a Triceratons story)

Gobbledygook Vol 1 #1 (first appearance)
Gobbledygook Vol 2 #1

Plastron cafe #1-4

TMNT/Flaming Carrot crossover #1-4
Flaming Carrot Comics #25-27

Savage Dragon/TMNT #1
Savage Dragon #2
TMNT/Savage Dragon #1
Savage Dragon #22

Creed/TMNT #1 (one of the coolest obscure TMNT books! There are two covers, one each from both sides' creators)

Palladium RPG materials

there are more I can't think of, many of which are reprinted in Shell Shock...

BTW, 33, and 41 as continuity suits me just fine. :)

[xZAOx]

http://www.flash.net/~gizmo42/spotcom.htm list a lot of good shorts and refernces to the TMNT as well

[HorseTechie]

Wee... back to this again.

Got into a discussion on a mailing list as to what really was considered 'canon', so a fan asked Berger about what Mirage considered to be part of the main story line that Laird goes by.

Here be Dan's list!

Mirage Volume One: #1-15, 17, 19-21, 27-29, 45-62
Microseries: Raphael #1, Michaelangelo #1, Leonardo #1, Donatello #1
Tales of the TMNT: #1-7
Mirage Volume Two: #1-13
Mirage Volume Four: #1-11

[impetus]

well, that's that. :lol:

[kicknz]

That may be that as far as full-issue stories go, but short stories are not addressed there at all.