Tatsu,Rahzr,and Tokka-where did they originate?

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Were they from the comics or created specifically for the first two films? Let me know if you know,thanks! :)

[Jephael]

As far as I can tell, Tatsu and the two mutants were pretty much loosely based off of Krang, Rocksteady and Bebop.

[darthsmozers]

Heh I remember in grade school kids would say it was really Krang inside of Tatsu, etc LOL.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

:lol: I never thought of it that way! Thanks,guys! :)

[darthsmozers]

But wait...when was the second movie released in relationship to the first episode of the cartoon? Just wondering...

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

It was released about 3 years after the cartoon began.

[darthsmozers]

AH, OK. And, sicne the TMNT had gained such a large younge audience, having mutants was the way to go.

Now, the question is this: Where did the idea of KRANG come from? The utrons? if so, why changed so drastically? to make shredder more of a "team player" of the baddies rather than a warlord from the first movie?

[the fugitoid]

He was definatley originated from the ideas of the Utroms, but I think he was changed simply as a vehicle for more things to happen in the plot. IOW, a peaceful race of aliens didn't have as many story possibilties as a manial brain creature from Dimension X. As for Shredder, I think they made him "nicer" simply because the movie or comic version of him might have been too scary.

--Fugi

[darthsmozers]

Was Dimension X an original idea for the cartoon? as with the technodrome?

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

I think they were,but I'm not sure. :-? Any help anyone?

[darthsmozers]

well, krang was an idea for the show, and the technodrome is his i guess? so maybe...anyone???

[Deathknight]

Krang was an idea made specifically made for the cartoon as was the technodrome. Dimension X I'm not sure about though.

[Karpo_007]

No dimesnison X in mirage...

[tekcop]

As far as I can tell, Tatsu and the two mutants were pretty much loosely based off of Krang, Rocksteady and Bebop.
I think you're pretty much correct. I remember reading somewhere that the movie producers wanted to use Rocksteady and Bebop in the second movie but Peter and Kevin told them there was no way they were letting them in the movie. So.. Tokka & Rahzar were created.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Aww man is that reason stupid Laird & Eastman,. I Wanted Rocksteady & Bebop!!!!

[Karpo_007]

:sweatdro:

[raphael90]

I must be clueless to some obvious reason...why wouldn't they want Bebop and Rocksteady in the second movie?! That would have been the greatest!! :D

[Karpo_007]

Well the second movie was so bad that Rocksteady and bebop wouldn't have made it any worse.

[Mondo_Gecko]

The Second movie wasn't that bad Karpo

[Sparvid]

Yes, it was... :P

[Karpo_007]

Depends what you compare it to. If you compare it to the first movie, it's pure crap, but If you compare it to the third one, it is ok.

[tekcop]

I must be clueless to some obvious reason...why wouldn't they want Bebop and Rocksteady in the second movie?! That would have been the greatest!! :D
Neither of them like Rocksteady and Bebop. :lol:

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

No,it wasn't. TMNT 3 was the worst. TMNT 2 was actually pretty good{except for Vanilla Ice being in it and Shredder dying}. Laird and Eastman probably didn't want Rocksteady and Bebop in the movie because their costumes would've been time-consuming and expensive to make{not sure :-? }.Also,does anyone know why the Chemicals company that produced the ooze that mutated the turtles is sometimes TGRI and TCRI? Which is correct{comically}? :-?

[Kali]

They changed TCRI to TGRI for the movies because there was/is a company by that name. In the comic, and new cartoon, it is TCRI.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Thanks for the help,Kali! :)

[Nturtle]

Tokka and Rahzar were actually originally supposed to be smarter (relatively) like Bebop and Rocksteady, but they decided to make them really dumb later

[Kali]

Thanks for the help,Kali! :)
No problem. :D

[Karpo_007]

Tokka and Rahzar were actually originally supposed to be smarter (relatively) like Bebop and Rocksteady, but they decided to make them really dumb later

I heard that too. They were supposed to be even dangerous. Well we all know how the movie turned out.

[Nturtle]

They do trash the turtles for a little part and they are kind of funny like with the donut part!!!! :lol:
But I know what you mean Karpo

[Mondo_Gecko]

Where do you guys hear these things about the movie. Lke Tokka & Rahzar being smarter? and is it official Laird & Eastman hated Bebop & Rocksteady and didn't want them in the movie. Because if they did they crushed the dreams of kids going to the theatre to see them and had Wolf and Snapping Turtle instead.

[Aztec General]

Well Tatsu is pretty much based off of the Foot Elite from the Mirage comics. They are Shredder's right hand men who do his dirty work for him.

Oh and just so we all understand: THE SECOND MOVIE SUCKED!

[Donatello02]

I wish the second was about Baxter and the mousers, and then the third about the Utroms. But thanks to the uptight parents that didn't happen, did it? Stupid Vanilla Ice.

[darthsmozers]

Lets not turn this topic into debating whether the movie was good or not.

So, we've pretty mcuh determined Tatsu is just the right hand man, whether based of the elite of the Foot Clan or not. Actually, the description of Hun for the new cartoon seems to fit that mold as well.

For the purposes of creating two mutants, a baby turtle and wolf seem easier (and well within budget) to use rather than a Rhino and a Warthog. Other than that, I think the cartoon mutants were known too much for their silliness, whereas this movie might have needed a more serious approach (more serious than the cartoon so it can fit more with the first movie.)

[Karpo_007]

The whole movie was kiddified, thats why they needed more mutants.

[Aztec General]

Lets not turn this topic into debating whether the movie was good or not.

So, we've pretty mcuh determined Tatsu is just the right hand man, whether based of the elite of the Foot Clan or not. Actually, the description of Hun for the new cartoon seems to fit that mold as well.

For the purposes of creating two mutants, a baby turtle and wolf seem easier (and well within budget) to use rather than a Rhino and a Warthog. Other than that, I think the cartoon mutants were known too much for their silliness, whereas this movie might have needed a more serious approach (more serious than the cartoon so it can fit more with the first movie.)

They wanted MORE serious characters so they created T & R? Have you seen these characters in the movie? Do you call them serious? Let alone MORE serious? There was nothing even remotely serious about the second movie, especially those two large children with fur and scales.

[darthsmozers]

yeah, they were pretty dumb, too. But, they didnt have the slapstick humor of bebop and rocksteady...they were meant to be serious, only shredder didnt know they were babies.....

in any case, u know what i mean :goofygri:

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Yeah,true. That made for the best quote from TMNT 2: "BABIES! They're BABIES!" :lol: I guess Tatsu is kinda similar to the Foot Elite,since he had the highest training next to Shredder. Hun's role will probably be similar. I always wished that Tatsu would be in the cartoon or in future movies,he had some great lines{although he was somwhat "sissified" TMNT 2}. "NINJA VANISH!" :)

[heretic888]

where did they come from??

well, tatsu is obviously based on the shredder elite, ther'z no denyin' that.

but as for rhazar and tokka... where did they come from??

the answer is very very simple:

drugs. and lots of them.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

:lol:

[heretic888]

:P :P :P

[Straight-Edge]

>>They changed TCRI to TGRI for the movies because there was/is a company by that name. In the comic, and new cartoon, it is TCRI.>>

It also makes more sense. TCRI stands for Techno-Cosmic Research Institue. That doesn't make much sense in the context of the movie, where its just a bunch of human scientists. Nothing very "Cosmic" about them.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

true. :lol: Jordan Perry!

[Karpo_007]

Yeah that is a good theory too. But TGRI doesn't stand for anything[I think] So they could have used TCRI as well. It is probably just the fact there was a company with that name...

[azure turtle]

I could've sworn that TGRI stood for Techno Global Research Institute, but I don't remember. :ohwell:

[Karpo_007]

Oh... That makes sense.

[Kali]

I could've sworn that TGRI stood for Techno Global Research Institute, but I don't remember. :ohwell:
Yeah, that sounds right. Might be Industries instead of Institute, but I could be wrong. Someone should go check.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Not sure,but that sounds about right. :-?

[Reznorite420]

I could've sworn that TGRI stood for Techno Global Research InstituteAll of that's right except for the last word...

TGRI = Techo Global Research Industries

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Thanks for the help,man! :)

[BigThew]

while on the subjects of changes answer me this

why did april work for channel 3, not channel 6?

[Straight-Edge]

I always assumed it was because, in some areas, Channel 6 is a real station, while Channel 3 is, traditionally, a blank frequency reserved for VCR usage. Thus, it was used in favor of Channel 6 because of the "fantasy" of Movies.

However, having come upon the wonder of Cable, I know that to be untrue...so I dunno... cuz 3 is more fun?

[Nturtle]

Also I think that the New York local news company April was on is on channel 3 so it makes more sense