The Dark Knight - More Joker and Teaser on Page 5

[Mr. Snackpants]

As long as Nolan's still making the movies with this cast I say keep him in jail. I think he's only doing one more (mabey even less), so just re-cast everyone when the time comes.

That's what I don't want, f*ck that. Just end it when Nolan is done.

[ToTheNines]

That's what I don't want, f*ck that. Just end it when Nolan is done.

Well, as much money as these movies are making WB is bound to milk it dry. You shouldn't be that close-minded, it's not like Nolan is the only man out there capable of making a good Batman movie, plus is dosen't have to even be the same continuity.

Also we'd probably get to see Robin and other characters that Nolan isn't likely to utilize.

[The Stryker]

That's what I don't want, f*ck that. Just end it when Nolan is done.

No Batman movies after Nolan is done. Wow, One person does something good and all of a sudden it shouldn't be touched by anyone else. YOU'RE A GENIUS!

[Darth Shredder]

WB won't pull in the chips and be done when TDK has made so much money for them. It has broken records right and left, been the leading movie of the year, and they have the power of the Batman franchise to thank for that.

Expect Batman movies to keep coming at a consistent rate.

[Spitfire]

No Batman movies after Nolan is done. Wow, One person does something good and all of a sudden it shouldn't be touched by anyone else. YOU'RE A GENIUS!

That's because he knows that the studio will just hand it to some idiot like they always do that will botch up the series. If they don't I'll be very happily surprised but I'm not holding my breath.

[VaughnMichael]

That's what I thought when I saw it. Even though it's fan-made, it looks pretty decent.
It is nice but makes me think of the Zodiac Killer, and I'm guessing it's suposed to be the Riddler.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

That's because he knows that the studio will just hand it to some idiot like they always do that will botch up the series. If they don't I'll be very happily surprised but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't think they'll make the same mistake as Batman and Robin. Maybe future Batman movies won't be able to surpass Dark Knight, but they might still turn out okay.

[Spitfire]

I don't think they'll make the same mistake as Batman and Robin. Maybe future Batman movies won't be able to surpass Dark Knight, but they might still turn out okay.

I'm not even talking Batman movies I mean all movies in general. I've yet to see a fourth installment in a series be good and one directed by a good director. I guess maybe the Harry Potter movies but I never watched them and they get someone new every time I think. And now that I think about it the only Harry Potter movie I did see was the fourth one and I didn't care for it.

[Mr. Snackpants]

No Batman movies after Nolan is done. Wow, One person does something good and all of a sudden it shouldn't be touched by anyone else. YOU'RE A GENIUS!

That's not what I was saying, but whatever...

[Hannah]

I say recast Joker.

By the time the next movie comes out, there won't be as much heat about it.
That's stupid. There is no need for the Joker to return, and if there was, recasting the part would ruin it.

[Spitfire]

Just saw it in IMAX quite the experience.

[The Stryker]

That's stupid. There is no need for the Joker to return, and if there was, recasting the part would ruin it.

Well I was saying, if the original plan was for Joker to return then I say recast him.

and Please, just because Ledger died doesn't mean the part is untouchable. He died, Boo-****ing-Hoo.

[Darth Shredder]

That's stupid. There is no need for the Joker to return, and if there was, recasting the part would ruin it.

We don't know that, because we don't know the plot Nolan & Co. had lined up for a third movie. I want them to go with what they have already, which yes, probably means recasting. I don't think they'd plan to exclude the Joker from #3 even before Heath's death.

I say this because Nolan once stated how he thought Burton killing off the Joker in Batman (1989) was a mistake. Since Nolan has killed off Ra's and Two-Face already, why would he have kept the Joker alive unless he had plans for the character in the third installment.

[Hannah]

Then I guess I disagree with what Nolan supposedly wants, because the Joker did what he was supposed to and bringing his character back would make him less exceptional.
And Stryker, yeah, the part is f*cking untouchable, at least for the rest of Nolan's series. As we all know, Heath did an amazing job, and to recast him (in this series) would be like recasting Pee-Wee Herman. It just wouldn't be the same. An actor attempting to imitate another like that rarely works out, especially in lead roles. Maggie Gyllenhaal did a great job, but her role was nothing like Heath's. Anyone is free to create another interpretation of the character, but please leave that to a different Batman.

[Darth Shredder]

Then I guess I disagree with what Nolan supposedly wants, because the Joker did what he was supposed to and bringing his character back would make him less exceptional.
And Stryker, yeah, the part is f*cking untouchable, at least for the rest of Nolan's series. As we all know, Heath did an amazing job, and to recast him (in this series) would be like recasting Pee-Wee Herman. It just wouldn't be the same. An actor attempting to imitate another like that rarely works out, especially in lead roles. Maggie Gyllenhaal did a great job, but her role was nothing like Heath's. Anyone is free to create another interpretation of the character, but please leave that to a different Batman.

The Joker's mannerisms were constantly shifting, so even if the immitation of those were "off" in the new actor's portrayal, it would make a sort of sense. Heath Ledger said "there's nothing really consistent about him. [Joker]" There isn't much room for failure once you get a skilled actor in there to play a nutcase whose characterization was everywhere to begin with.

That also applies to fans labeling a newer Joker as potentially "less exceptional." This villain has been cooking up twisted schemes to screw with Batman for DECADES in the comic books, and he has remained a favorite amongst fans for just as long. There's so many possibilities that weren't explored about the sadism of Joker in TDK. He put a bomb in a guy and detonated it. He captured Batman's love interest and disintegrated her in another explosion. He gets a kick out of having the **** beat out of him. He urges Harvey Dent to blow his brains out with a handgun in the hospital he later destroys nonchalantly; but there's so much more he could do that is also "exceptional." Believe me.

[Ra]

Then I guess I disagree with what Nolan supposedly wants, because the Joker did what he was supposed to and bringing his character back would make him less exceptional.

And Stryker, yeah, the part is f*cking untouchable, at least for the rest of Nolan's series. As we all know, Heath did an amazing job, and to recast him (in this series) would be like recasting Pee-Wee Herman. It just wouldn't be the same. An actor attempting to imitate another like that rarely works out, especially in lead roles. Maggie Gyllenhaal did a great job, but her role was nothing like Heath's. Anyone is free to create another interpretation of the character, but please leave that to a different Batman.
Wow. Pretty much all I was going to say right there and then some.

If we got Joker again in the next movie...that just wouldn't be worth it. I would rather Joker to keep his main role within the Dark Knight, and let another villain take the spot light. Joker was at his finest in Dark Knight. Leave it at that in this series...before someone else tries their hand at the Batman world.

[odupianist]

What I want to know is why does the Joker have to return? If they kept with how they did things in the first movie, Joker would have made a cameo in the third movie then we moved on. That's how it should be.

[Mecha Cow]

There's no need for the Joker to return, and it would suck to see someone else pretend to be Ledger. I agree there's more that could be done with him in this series, but since circumstances don't allow it they might as well go with a new kind of threat for the next movie.

[The Stryker]

There's no need for the Joker to return, and it would suck to see someone else pretend to be Ledger. I agree there's more that could be done with him in this series, but since circumstances don't allow it they might as well go with a new kind of threat for the next movie.

Who says someone has to pretend to be Ledger? I know he did a good job but he's not the be-all end-all. The character is all over the place in the first place, you would easily get away with having him act differently.

[Spitfire]

The issue is if he acted differently the new actor would have to do that as well. If he got stuck in one mind set then it wouldn't work. Also unless the actor did an amazing job then people wouldn't accept it and the movie would fail in the box office. People are a lot more picky about things then you may imagine.It would be a huge business risk re-casting him. It worked in Rachel's part because the previous actress wasn't very memorable in the first place and they had no choice but to replace her because Katie Holmes wouldn't do it and Rachel had to be in this movie no way around it. The next movie can work without the Joker and they'd be smart to write it that way.

Yes eventually they should tackle him again but they should wait a bit.

[ToTheNines]

Who says someone has to pretend to be Ledger?

Umm... how about the fact that it would be the same character?

[Raven]

Who says someone has to pretend to be Ledger? I know he did a good job but he's not the be-all end-all. The character is all over the place in the first place, you would easily get away with having him act differently.


Being the big fan I am recasting the Joker is actually quite a risky deal, I know some people that where crying for Jack to reprise the role before details of Ledger taking on the part started to come out.

Its just kind of an unwritten rule on an ongoing franshise, when some one establishes a character so well that the audience begins to make connections with the character and the person playing it. Its almost damn near impossible for some one new to be accepted for that part.

Now I also agree that it is defiently not a bad idea, in fact many people could play the joker but I think for some one to do so in the next movie if they choose to go that route would be to soon, espically with the amazing work Legder did in the dark knight it would just seem weird.

But again thats where taking chances lie, if you put a good story behind a character then who almost cares whoes playing him? If there anything like Ledger then there should be no argument at all, but I think thats why a lot of people are saying no to the idea of recasting because it just dosent seem like we would be getting that same kind mix.

I guess where I lie on the subject is that Ledger made the Joker for the film, he dissappeared in the role and right now I dont want to see any one else take on the role out of respect for him, and also because Im just afraid some one else could really screw up what has been put before us. Also I would just like to see them go some where different again, they did the joker. Im good enough with what they have done, now lets see some other characters get the Nolan treatment such as Black Mask.

[Mecha Cow]

Who says someone has to pretend to be Ledger? I know he did a good job but he's not the be-all end-all.
Because regardless of one's opinion of his performance, the fact of the matter is that at least in this incarnation, Ledger made the character his own and any actor replacing him would consciously or unconsciously attempt to channel him. It was a very specific performance that relied heavily on the person doing the performing and to be honest, I don't think anyone else could make the same impact at this point; he'd just be 'that guy who replaced Ledger'.

Sure, they could go a different route and just say "the Joker is unpredictable like that, lol", but that would be disrespectful to the character (the movie version anyway), to Ledger, to the actor replacing him, and to the audience. In my opinion, of course.

[ToTheNines]

The Joker isn't an easy character to re-cast, he could be screwed up easily even by a good actor. Don't risk it.

If you really can't stand not seeing the Joker, got watch Batman: The Animated Series, Tim Burton's Batman or read some comics.

[odupianist]

people keep harping on and off about this recasting of the Joker, have you all forgotten that Rachel was recast?

[Mecha Cow]

You can't compare the two roles at all.

[Mr. Snackpants]

people keep harping on and off about this recasting of the Joker, have you all forgotten that Rachel was recast?

lmfao.

c'mon, you're not serious.

[poiuytre]

I don't see how it is impossible or disrespectful to the character at all. You people need to lay off the Ledger Kool-aid. He did a great job, but he didn't do a thing that can't be done by anyone else. Given the character's make-up and unpredictable nature, it should be relatively easy to change the actor. The only real barrier is the pride of the fanbase. I say suck it up and give it a honest chance if they decide to do it. Nolan knows what he's doing so let's have some faith in whatever direction he decides to take the franchise.

[ToTheNines]

people keep harping on and off about this recasting of the Joker, have you all forgotten that Rachel was recast?

Like I just said, the Joker's an easy character to scew up. The love intersest however, is not.

He did a great job, but he didn't do a thing that can't be done by anyone else.

It isn't just that, he doesn't need to be in the sequel! What's he gonna do in the next movie? Same ****.

It'd be cool no doubt, but Batman has plenty of great villains... why dwell on one?

[KROW]

It isn't just that, he doesn't need to be in the sequel! What's he gonna do in the next movie? Same ****.

It'd be cool no doubt, but Batman has plenty of great villains... why dwell on one?

That's true. Joker made his impact in TDK. He shuffled the deck in Gotham and spurned fear and doubt back into its denizens. Even though the public was spared knowing Harvey went sour, he still died. Batman is now Gotham's lightning rod of hate and crime will rise. They'll look to Gordon for justice, who will be torn between what should be done and what has to be done. Joker did his job and we're ready to see the rest of the circus.

Now it's back to focusing on what the movies are supposed to be about: Batman.

[XERO]

That's true. Joker made his impact in TDK. He shuffled the deck in Gotham and spurned fear and doubt back into its denizens. Even though the public was spared knowing Harvey went sour, he still died. Batman is now Gotham's lightning rod of hate and crime will rise. They'll look to Gordon for justice, who will be torn between what should be done and what has to be done. Joker did his job and we're ready to see the rest of the circus.

Now it's back to focusing on what the movies are supposed to be about: Batman.

Exactly.

This is not The Joker Show, starring Heath Ledger (though that would be pretty cool.)

Just have some faith people. The only way this can get out of control is if Schwarzenegger returns as Mr. Freeze.

Then, that's when we should worry.:P

[Ra]

Na, I'd be more worried if Uma Thurman returned as Poison Ivy. :lol:

[ToTheNines]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/902/902060p1.html

They're trying to get part 3 out by 2011, as well as 3 other DC movies.

[KROW]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/902/902060p1.html

They're trying to get part 3 out by 2011, as well as 3 other DC movies.

Ah, they're rebooting Superman. Are they still working on a Green Lantern flick?

I like how Nolan is keeping quiet on all fronts with his plans; less leaks that way. But sooner or later they're going to demand something from him. Well, more on it as it develops, obviously.

[Darth Shredder]

This needs reposted.

The Joker's mannerisms were constantly shifting, so even if the immitation of those were "off" in the new actor's portrayal, it would make a sort of sense. Heath Ledger said "there's nothing really consistent about him. [Joker]" There isn't much room for failure once you get a skilled actor in there to play a nutcase whose characterization was everywhere to begin with.

That also applies to fans labeling a newer Joker as potentially "less exceptional." This villain has been cooking up twisted schemes to screw with Batman for DECADES in the comic books, and he has remained a favorite amongst fans for just as long. There's so many possibilities that weren't explored about the sadism of Joker in TDK. He put a bomb in a guy and detonated it. He captured Batman's love interest and disintegrated her in another explosion. He gets a kick out of having the **** beat out of him. He urges Harvey Dent to blow his brains out with a handgun in the hospital he later destroys nonchalantly; but there's so much more he could do that is also "exceptional." Believe me.

[ToTheNines]

I say Hugo Weaving for the Riddler, since he kinda reminds of the TAS version

[Spitfire]

I like Downey but he's officially a moron
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26255675/#storyContinued

You can not like the movie that's fine but you don't understand? Seriously...

[Jester]

Ok, Downey Jr. lost brownie points...:(

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I like Downey but he's officially a moron
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26255675/#storyContinued

You can not like the movie that's fine but you don't understand? Seriously...

Wow, I had heard about it, but I didn't read it until now. I understand not liking a film, but he took it a bit personally or something.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Comic book partisan lines...DC and Marvel...can't we all be one happy dysfunctional comic book family?

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[Jester]

Hey, they are red and blue...like....uh never mind.

[The Stryker]

I like Downey but he's officially a moron
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You can not like the movie that's fine but you don't understand? Seriously...

The guy can have his own opinion.

I still say he's the actor of the year.

[Jester]

True, I've loved his work this year. Iron Man and Tropic Thunder were great!

[odupianist]

Agreed Jester.

"I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude."

"Never go full retard."

[Spitfire]

The guy can have his own opinion.

I still say he's the actor of the year.

Having an opinion is fine but saying "**** DC" is extremely unprofessional especially since he's doing Marvel movies. Also saying you need a college education to understand the plot makes him look like he's stupid. If he wants the public to think he's stupid then that's his choice because when I read that it's the first thing that came to mind.

[poiuytre]

I thought it was very obviously that he was just playing.

[Mecha Cow]

He was joking. That's just what he does.

[Darth Shredder]

The same when Jack Nicholson was joking when he claimed to be outraged that he wasn't cast as the Joker in TDK.

[Brodie]

Having an opinion is fine but saying "**** DC" is extremely unprofessional especially since he's doing Marvel movies. Also saying you need a college education to understand the plot makes him look like he's stupid. If he wants the public to think he's stupid then that's his choice because when I read that it's the first thing that came to mind.

So, still no cure for that Teen Angst you were diagnosed with, eh?

[Drtooth]

Having an opinion is fine but saying "**** DC" is extremely unprofessional especially since he's doing Marvel movies. Also saying you need a college education to understand the plot makes him look like he's stupid. If he wants the public to think he's stupid then that's his choice because when I read that it's the first thing that came to mind.

He was clearly paid to say that. Clearly. Let's move on....

[Voltron]

This needs reposted.

I agree with this. I think we can get another Joker.

[Spitfire]

So, still no cure for that Teen Angst you were diagnosed with, eh?

And I see your still suffering from over inflated ego and a chronic case of asshole-ism.

[Brodie]

I don't spend nearly enough time in these forums to have an over inflated ego. More like inflated just enough.

Asshole-ism, yes. But atleast thats not terminal, like Teen Angst, because at some point you'll hit 20 (39), and you'll get hair in funny places. Following that you'll notice things about the opposite sex, and get strange feelings errupting from your swimsuit zone.

Zing, and a miss.

[Jester]

Indeed, because that joke was Jester-esque...

HEY!!

[Spitfire]

Zing, and a miss.

A huge miss in fact, I'm not even a teenager.

[Drtooth]

So, anyone else hear that the third film is all but confirmed, and the working title is "Caped Crusader?"

I don't know about that title. It's got a campy kick to it, as that's what they called the duo in the 60's show. I'd think (the way they left things:)
Batman: Enemy of the People

[GK Punk]

So, anyone else hear that the third film is all but confirmed, and the working title is "Caped Crusader?"

I don't know about that title. It's got a campy kick to it, as that's what they called the duo in the 60's show. I'd think (the way they left things:)
Batman: Enemy of the People

Thats what they call him in the comics... before and after the 60s show

[Jester]

That and if they went with Dynamic Duo, Bale would have walked, and what other nick names does Batman have, really?

[ToTheNines]

That and if they went with Dynamic Duo, Bale would have walked, and what other nick names does Batman have, really?

As best I can remember: The World's Greatest Detective and Guano Man

[The Stryker]

It'll probably just be called Gotham City.

[Zog the Equalizer]

I am still partial to them calling it either Knightfall or Shadow of the Bat

[Spike Spiegel]

I am still partial to them calling it either Knightfall or Shadow of the Bat

"Shadow of the Bat" would be NICE.

I don't care what they call it, just as long as the story is good.

[cqb101]

I'm a fan of Nightfall, personally.

[Drtooth]

I am still partial to them calling it either Knightfall or Shadow of the Bat

Knightfall... that would be perfect considering how things were left off. Caped Crusader has some sort of cartoonish quality to it that wouldn't fit for the title of the next film... something I just can't put my fingers on...

[Jester]

Yes, but how many people would expect the Knightfall story to go with the title?

[XERO]

Well, there's always Batman 3...

...Something neither movie series never did, actually.

[Jester]

Well, there's always Batman 3...

...Something neither movie series never did, actually.
And the Logo:
3atman!

[Drtooth]

And the Logo:
3atman!

I don't think anyone's gonna wanna see a movie called Threeatman.

'specially if people expect him to have the powers of Threeat.

[raphael_is_cool]

If it's meant as a trilogy I don't think Knightfall is the ideal name. TDK seemed more like the fall. I think part three of that arc in the comics was Knight's End, which would be more suitable if Batman were to redeem his name.

My suggestions would be:
Hard Day's Knight
It'll Be Alright On The Knight
Batman Ends

I know it's rumour but seriously, beyond the camp images it conjures up, 'Caped Crusader' does connect with the fact that Bruce Wayne has a cause. I would not wholly object to it until I heard better suggestions.

[Spike Spiegel]

If it's meant as a trilogy I don't think Knightfall is the ideal name. TDK seemed more like the fall. I think part three of that arc in the comics was Knight's End, which would be more suitable if Batman were to redeem his name.

My suggestions would be:
Hard Day's Knight
It'll Be Alright On The Knight
Batman Ends

I know it's rumour but seriously, beyond the camp images it conjures up, 'Caped Crusader' does connect with the fact that Bruce Wayne has a cause. I would not wholly object to it until I heard better suggestions.

"Batman Ends" made me lol.

And also, maybe they could give a synonym to "Caped Crusader" or just call it "Crusader...?"

Possibilities:

-The Dark Knight Returns (if they made a movie with Bale, but set years later, following the Frank Miller version, seeing as Batman has "fallen")

-Citizen Wayne

-Gotham (no "City")

-Dark Detective

-Outsider

-Wayne

-Robin (if they decide to include him)

That's all I've got for now.

[ToTheNines]

-Dark Detective


That was a cool story, but no.

If they were gonna adapt the Knightfall story, they should to the Alien thing: The Dark Knights

[Mecha Cow]

'Caped Crusader' would be f*cking awful. That sounds incredibly campy, not to mention derivative of the far more impressive 'The Dark Knight'

Call me crazy, but maybe they can just call it '(The) Batman'.

[poiuytre]

I personally would prefer a title like "Gotham City". Caped Crusader sounds fine too. "The Dark Knight" was a pretty corny title too but that's just what the franchise is like.

[Mecha Cow]

Huh? The Dark Knight (the movie, not the title) was far from corny.

[poiuytre]

I agree.
Title = corny.
Movie itself = not corny.

[Drtooth]

My suggestions...

Batman 3: Electric Boogalee

Doin' the Batty Bat

Get on down wit' you Bat Self

Low in Saturated Bat

Or theres always "Batman Finds a Villain, Beats him Up, and Blows a Lot of Stuff Up"

[Ra]

"The Dark Dawn"? "Bats in the Belfry"? "Batman gets food poisoning"? "Batman Rises"?

...come on, someone help me out here. :cry:

[Jester]

The Dark Knight Begins??

I got nothin'!

[The Stryker]

Bat The Knight Dark Begins: The Bloodening.

[Mecha Cow]

You Shake a Pretty Mean Cape, Batman

[Drtooth]

The Dark Knight Begins??

I got nothin'!

How about Batman Continues?

[Zog the Equalizer]

Oooh Oooh, I got it!
How Batman Got His Groove Back

[ToTheNines]

Batman Begins Again

[Jester]

"We Promise This Won't Be As Bad As Batman & Robin."

[GK Punk]

"Batman Continues"

[Jester]

"The Batman Cometh"?

[ThirdMarioBro]

$500 million......com'on. Dethrone Titanic!

[cqb101]

$500 million......com'on. Dethrone Titanic!


Never gonna happen.

[Spitfire]

Never gonna happen.

It'll happen but it'll be when ticket prices are super high. When everything's adjusted, which is technically what counts, Gone With The Wind is what will never be topped

[cqb101]

It'll happen but it'll be when ticket prices are super high. When everything's adjusted, which is technically what counts, Gone With The Wind is what will never be topped

Sure, some day Titanic will be topped, but it's not going to be by The Dark Knight.

[Dr. Doom]

Did the total for A New Hope take into account the 1997 re-release, or just the original one?

[Spitfire]

Did the total for A New Hope take into account the 1997 re-release, or just the original one?

On the charts it counts the re-release too.

[Andrew NDB]

Awesome but Heath Ledger is trying too hard to sound like Jack Nicholson IMO. :ohwell:

I don't know about that.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't know about that.

I spy Necro-posting!
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