Forever War

[odupianist]

I don't know if there has been a thread made for this but I figured I'd make one because I had an interesting thought...

So I'm reading Terracide (probably one of the saddest moments in TMNT history), and Future Don mentioned something... he said that their younger selves had just come back from their first battle with Animus. Archie never had a second battle or any other battles for taht matter against Animus. So maybe Animus comes back? Maybe Mutanimals make a return as enemies but then become allies? Who knows, but just a thought...

[Raph's Girl]

Good observation. Perhaps in Forever War he gets unshrunk? We don't know much about Forever War or who all are involved (other than Shredder, the TMNT, and Ninjara). Perhaps Animus is in it as well?

There's another encounter with Animus in Michael Zulli's Soul's Winter trillogy in the Mirage book (vol 1). Splinter summons a different version of him to heal the turtles.

But Animus also appears several times in sci-fi/fantasy: Doctor Who, he's identified as one of the Lovecraftian old ones, he was an intelligent megazord in Power Rangers Wild Force, a Greek band.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animus (wikipedia doesn't list the TMNT character)

[Spitfire]

That can't be the encounter their talking about because the Future TMNT are in Forever War. So if they see Animus again that would be their third encounter.

I'm pretty sure the plot of Forever War is Shredder uses the Time Slip to pull the turtles deadliest enemies from all over their timeline.

[odupianist]

Then what would keep the Future TMNT from using the timeslip to pull versions of themselves from all over the timeline?

[VaughnMichael]

Then what would keep the Future TMNT from using the timeslip to pull versions of themselves from all over the timeline?
Shredder has the controller.;)

[NinjaFootClan75]

Aww, man I loved the Archie series!
Sad when it was ended. :cry:
I remember reading about Clairren(sp?) & Allen were working on the Forever War, in the back of Tales a while back, can't recall which iss, thou....
HopeHOPEhope Mirage gets to publish it someday:)

[Scandia]

The Animus War is one of my favorite Archie storylines. I like the heroine. I like the setting. This is one arc that they can adapt into the 2k3 cartoon without resorting to other mutants or changing the main premise.

And what was published first- Souls Winter or Animus War?

[Jon]

And what was published first- Souls Winter or Animus War?


A quick check of ninjaturtles.com shows "Souls Winter" was first printed in 1990 and "Animus War" in 1994.

[darthsmozers]

Info on the Forever War can be found at: http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/07/forever-war.html

:)

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Cool! So it looks like things are back on as far as it being released? It keeps getting planned and then cancelled, planned and then cancelled, let's hope this one sticks!

Plus...a trade of TMNT Adventures? More awesome news. Ideally, I'd like to see all the old Mirage and Archie stuff reprinted again, but then again...Mirage probably doesn't have the same resources as Marvel. One can dream (and chase down old issues) I guess.:)

[Raph's Girl]

Cool! So it looks like things are back on as far as it being released? It keeps getting planned and then cancelled, planned and then cancelled, let's hope this one sticks!

Plus...a trade of TMNT Adventures? More awesome news. Ideally, I'd like to see all the old Mirage and Archie stuff reprinted again, but then again...Mirage probably doesn't have the same resources as Marvel. One can dream (and chase down old issues) I guess.:)

Aye... expect Forever War to be out in 2009 along with TPB's of the Archie series. This is one of the many things being done for the 25th annaversary.

As for seeing the old Mirage stuff in reprint. There's many reprints of Vol 1 out now. Most of Vol 1 is in TPB.... Tales of the TMNT vol 2 is in TPB format.... Tales vol 1 will be someday (they're having some problems with it tho).

U can still buy copies of the Mirage and Archie books thru the official site too.

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/catalog.htm

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I tracked down copies of the colorized Vol. 1 trades not to long ago. I've also gotten books 2-5 of the Mirage trades as well. I also have a trade of the first 5 Image issues that I found a long time ago.

As someone becoming more interested in the Mirage turtles, what would the next step be? To start getting the Tales vol. 2 trades?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Maybe Krang apperars. Are these stories written now or in 1995?

[VaughnMichael]

Maybe Krang apperars. Are these stories written now or in 1995?
He very well may, and they take place in the archie series not mirage and I'm pretty sure it takes place in the archie future world but shredder keeps bringing the turtles enimies from all over time back to haunt them.

[Raph's Girl]

Maybe Krang apperars. Are these stories written now or in 1995?

Krang was never an integral character in the Archie series. Neither really were Rocksteady and BeBop. All 3 characters left after issue 15. Rocksteady and BeBop have their own world.

I know Shredder's in it...maybe perhaps Hitler, Armagen, and Null? Dunno... Ninjara's in it...that's all I care really. :D

[gobo]

I know Shredder's in it...maybe perhaps Hitler, Armagen, and Null? Dunno... Ninjara's in it...that's all I care really. :D
Putrescent sure does love that Armagen. :lol:

[Scandia]

Personally, I want to see more of Golani. "The Animus War" has been my favorite arc so far.

[VaughnMichael]

Putrescent sure does love that Armagen. :lol:
I love how I get made fun of yet Raphs Girl said it wrong..shesus.:P
Personally, I want to see more of Golani. "The Animus War" has been my favorite arc so far.
I'm pretty sure she is in from the art that was shown.

[darthsmozers]

Krang was never an integral character in the Archie series. Neither really were Rocksteady and BeBop. All 3 characters left after issue 15. Rocksteady and BeBop have their own world.

I know Shredder's in it...maybe perhaps Hitler, Armagen, and Null? Dunno... Ninjara's in it...that's all I care really. :D

I know you mean issue #25 ;) hehe

[darthsmozers]

Maybe Krang apperars. Are these stories written now or in 1995?

The original cover art was drafted back in the day, although a fully scripted story was not yet ready. More or less, the covers were used as the basis for the evolving story. With the cancellation of the series, the amount of detail put on paper is anyone's guess. The story is being written now ("now" meaning over a period of time where we've seen cancellations and approvals come and go for this project, lol), as Dean Clarrain is scripting and Chris Allan will return to the pencils.

Hope that helps :)

[darthsmozers]

More confirmation of The Forever War can be found in the comments in the following entry by Mr. Murphy:

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/12/long-time-gone-long-time-coming-part-1.html

The blog entry itself has some interesting info regarding the end of the series.

:D

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

So Archie wasn't big on doing a more "serious" kind of superhero story with a threatening Shredder?

[VaughnMichael]

Just so everyone knows these are going to be in black and white..ick.
Looks like I'll have lots of coloring to do.:P

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Just so everyone knows these are going to be in black and white..ick.
Looks like I'll have lots of coloring to do.:P

Black and white doesn't bug me at all. I have a big collection of Marvel Essentials and DC Showcase Presents.

[Lord Nightwalker]

I don't have a problem with black and white.
Also, you can look up the pages on line, save them, and practice coloring them with Photoshop or Corel draw, ect.
Black and white is fine with me.

[VaughnMichael]

Black and white doesn't bug me at all. I have a big collection of Marvel Essentials and DC Showcase Presents.
And that means? sorry I don't read marvel comic the only I was ever into from them was Deadpool and they killed that series when they changed artists.

[Jon]

And that means? sorry I don't read marvel comic the only I was ever into from them was Deadpool and they killed that series when they changed artists.


Well, those 2 types of TPBs are done in black-and-white (as opposed to the comics they reprint having been in color originally).

[VaughnMichael]

Well, those 2 types of TPBs are done in black-and-white (as opposed to the comics they reprint having been in color originally).
if something came out in color to start with I really don't see the point of releasing something in black and white...it seems like a downgrade to me.:dead:

[Spitfire]

Let's just hope they make up for it by featuring a really detailed style of art.

[VaughnMichael]

Let's just hope they make up for it by featuring a really detailed style of art.
You already know what the art is going to look like Spit.

[Machias Banshee]

I'm really looking forward to seeing this final huge arc come out. I always loved the archie comics, especially checking out new issues whenever I went with my parents to the Grocery store...

I remember seeing the covers from Chris Allan's site some years ago, and the details are incredibly good... I'm sure Murphy'll be posting his final cover pic of Splinter and Shredder fighting. It's a very gritty kind of art, in my opinion. I can't wait to see it.. :D

[darthsmozers]

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/12/long-time-gone-long-time-coming-part-6.html

First 6 pages of the original plan for Forever War Part 1 up on Mr. Murphy's blog!!!!

[Roseangelo]

Best Christmas present ever!!!

[darthsmozers]

Best Christmas present ever!!!

no kidding :)

[Raph's Girl]

Yay!!! That was awesome reading the first 6 pages!! :D

Snowflakes! :lol:

[Spitfire]

Best Christmas present ever!!!

The best present is when it comes out, I'm still sketchy on that happening. Either way seeing this pisses me off knowing they didn't release it when it just needed inking.

[R-iZZy]

Awesome!!! Can't believe this train is finally in motion! I guess Archie TMNT will get its proper finish! :D

[Roseangelo]

The best present is when it comes out, I'm still sketchy on that happening. Either way seeing this pisses me off knowing they didn't release it when it just needed inking.

Murphy's confirmed it's coming out more than once, what more do you need?

And if you'd read any of Murphy's postings this week, you'd know there was far more involved than just a need for inking (and pencils were only complete on the first issue). Sheesh, Scrooge.

[Spitfire]

I don't trust stuff till I see it in my hand. It comes from being let down by releases on lots of things. I call it being cautious.

[Kendamu]

if something came out in color to start with I really don't see the point of releasing something in black and white...it seems like a downgrade to me.:dead:
Well, the Marvel ESSENTIAL TPBs are huge meaning we get a lot of the series at once! However, they're also very inexpensive. They probably pull this off by reprinting them without color.

[Jester]

If we got all the Archies in TBP in that style, I wouldn't mind. I just can't wait for the Forever War arc. Murph whetted my appetite something fierce when he posted his story plus the first 6 pages of the 1st issue. *fanatical squealing* Sorry...

[Raph's Girl]

If we got all the Archies in TBP in that style, I wouldn't mind. I just can't wait for the Forever War arc. Murph whetted my appetite something fierce when he posted his story plus the first 6 pages of the 1st issue. *fanatical squealing* Sorry...

Well either way I'll be buying the TPB's...it's just gonna be weird seeing em in B&W. Thankfully I have the issues in colour....still tho...it'll be odd. But ah well... beggers can't be choosers eh? Im just glad that after all this time the Archie series will finally have a proper ending.

Just remember... in 2 years (almost 1 year) time.... Snowflakes! :lol:

[Spitfire]

Well, the Marvel ESSENTIAL TPBs are huge meaning we get a lot of the series at once! However, they're also very inexpensive. They probably pull this off by reprinting them without color.

I'd be down for that, I got one that has Spider-man from the first issue till the first annual. It's huge and while its not in color I don't mind, it has lots of extra stuff. If they did color it would be 20 a book with only 5-8 issues in each book. I'd prefer black and white and like 25-30 in each book.

[Andrew NDB]

Eating up Murphy's blog like candy these days. Good stuff. And his candor in describing the situation back then is fascinating.

[odupianist]

Any idea if the old covers will still be used? I think it's interesting to see the different characters involved on the covers. My only worry is that it will be like TLS with the totalitarian Shredder. I hope not though.

[Andrew NDB]

Any idea if the old covers will still be used? I think it's interesting to see the different characters involved on the covers. My only worry is that it will be like TLS with the totalitarian Shredder. I hope not though.

Since it's just to be a TPB, not individual comics, the best we can hope for is to have them as pin-ups in the back or something.

And you can look for a beautiful spread by Jim Lawson on the TPB cover. :roll:

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I always like it in TPBs when they put the original cover before the contents of each issue.

[VaughnMichael]

And you can look for a beautiful spread by Jim Lawson on the TPB cover. :roll:
Nothing against Jim but I'd really be super p1ssed off if they did that.

[odupianist]

I agree with Putre. Having Jim do a cover for an Archie comic would justannoy the hell out of me.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree with Putre. Having Jim do a cover for an Archie comic would justannoy the hell out of me.

I was joking above... but you do realize Jim Lawson did do at least a couple of covers for the original Archie Comics, right? And plenty of the interiors?

[VaughnMichael]

I was joking above... but you do realize Jim Lawson did do at least a couple of covers for the original Archie Comics, right? And plenty of the interiors?
sadly all of which are my least favorite issues having chris allen do them is fitting.

[PAAATE]

In the Swedish edition of TMNTA one person asked when the "bad artist" (Jim Lawson) would stop drawing the comic. The editor's answer was that the bad artist's name is Dan Berger (because he inked it) and that he was just a replacement.

Or something like that, can't remember exactly... Anyway, poor Dan for being called the bad artist when it was Jim that should've been blamed.. :P

[Scandia]

I recognized Lawson's Archie covers immediately. His style is very distinctive. I am trying to describe it- blocky? bouldery? I prefer the style of whoever did the designs that 2k3 were based on. And the 1987 ones as well.

[Jester]

What about the issue that introduced Jagwar. I'm not a big fan of Don Simpson's work either.

[Andrew NDB]

What about the issue that introduced Jagwar. I'm not a big fan of Don Simpson's work either.

TMNTA #14, I think? I hated the way the Turtles looked there, but the humans and even Jagwar looked very realistic, and the emotion conveyed seemed genuine.

[Spitfire]

I just read that issue, ugh yeah the art was the worst in the entire Archie series in my opinion.

[Andrew NDB]

I just read that issue, ugh yeah the art was the worst in the entire Archie series in my opinion.

Oh, I don't know. Have you checked out things like the Don & Leatherhead mini? The second April O'Neil mini?

[Spitfire]

Oh god I know and that mini story in the Halloween special with the booger-man. I had actually erased those from my memory, thanks for reminding me :lol:

[Roseangelo]

The second April O'Neil mini?

I think that one wins my award for worst art in Archie. It just hurts.

[Andrew NDB]

And artists that make Jim Lawson look good... it's no small feat, folks.

ba-dum-BUM



* Disclaimer: I still maintain that Lawson has still got some very killer pencilling under his belt from the 80s and early 90s... he just needs a very capable inker behind him with their own style and flair to "fill in the blanks," so to speak. Left by himself and his own devices to pencil and ink, or with an inker that injects no style of their own into the inking... it falls apart.

[Roseangelo]

* Disclaimer: I still maintain that Lawson has still got some very killer pencilling under his belt from the 80s and early 90s... he just needs a very capable inker behind him with their own style and flair to "fill in the blanks," so to speak. Left by himself and his own devices to pencil and ink, or with an inker that injects no style of their own into the inking... it falls apart.

This seems to be the general consensus from everyone. I don't know one person who would complain about his older art.

[Jester]

Looking at the TMNT specials seems like the art was very varried....for bad and good. :p

[VaughnMichael]

What about the issue that introduced Jagwar. I'm not a big fan of Don Simpson's work either.
ick yeah that was some ugly @ss stuff for sure I'd take Jim any day gladly over that wrinkly lookin turtle sh1t.:lol:
Oh, I don't know. Have you checked out things like the Don & Leatherhead mini? The second April O'Neil mini?
I happen to really like the art in the don and leather head issues it's very tiny toons like which fit for the time period it came out.
And yeah the April'O Neil May East issues where crap but the first Mini one was great.
This seems to be the general consensus from everyone. I don't know one person who would complain about his older art.
No complaints on it here but he's become a cubist.

[Roseangelo]

ick yeah that was some ugly @ss stuff for sure I'd take Jim any day gladly over that wrinkly lookin turtle sh1t.:lol:

I never understood why the Turtles had scales.

[VaughnMichael]

I never understood why the Turtles had scales.
well I believe there was a reason but now I can't remember.
I was going to say because it came out around the time the movie did and they where trying to make them look like that or one of the toy lines.
But that doesn't really seem correct.

[gobo]

I never understood why the Turtles had scales.
I never payed all that much attention to the artists, but that's the style I hated most, when the Turtles were given scales. :sick:

[Scandia]

Last night, I had a dream where the Turtles had markings of some sort.

I agree that the second April miniseries has the worst art ever.

[odupianist]

Any idea if the Turnstone will show up again in the Forever War? I was reading the "Final Conflict" issue last night and it got me to wondering.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

So they said "related issues" would be included in the trade. Just curious, is the Future Shark trilogy related issues? I remember having one of those issues when I was a kid and enjoying it. I wish it hadn't gotten thrown out.:x

[Roseangelo]

So they said "related issues" would be included in the trade. Just curious, is the Future Shark trilogy related issues? I remember having one of those issues when I was a kid and enjoying it. I wish it hadn't gotten thrown out.:x

Yes, it's very related. I would consider it essential. It was the story that introduced us to the Future Turtles, Armaggon, and Time Slip Generators, etc. IMO this was the turning point of the entire Adventures series.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Yes, it's very related. I would consider it essential. It was the story that introduced us to the Future Turtles, Armaggon, and Time Slip Generators, etc. IMO this was the turning point of the entire Adventures series.

I remember reading the issue as a kid and being kind of lost. I had no idea why Raphael was running around with an eye patch, or why there was two Raphaels. I wasn't really a Trekker then, so I didn't really understand the concept of alternate universes or possible futures, and having two different versions of a character running around as a result.:)

[Lord Nightwalker]

I never understood why the Turtles had scales.

I always thought it was just used as a means to point out the more reptilian skin. ? Who knows for sure, the TMNT artist have always used a modicum of creative interpretation.

[AquaParade]

Talk of the forever war makes me wanna pick up the whole archie series...I had a few future issues when I was a lot younger and they were being released, and I remember thinking that they were about the coolest tmnt thing ever, not to mention a lot of the members of this board highly praise the archie series....So it shall be done...I'm gonna start looking now.

[odupianist]

So I was over at the Lavigne Brown blog. There's a posting saying that the trio will have their revenge. This is probably too far fetched (heh get it? oh nvm), but what if they have a cameo in the Forever War?

[darthsmozers]

So I was over at the Lavigne Brown blog. There's a posting saying that the trio will have their revenge. This is probably too far fetched (heh get it? oh nvm), but what if they have a cameo in the Forever War?

don't know any reason why they would, but then again i've always largely skipped that original issue haha.

here is the post being referred to, btw: http://lavignebrownart.blogspot.com/2009/03/uncanny-trio.html

Unless what someone said earlier in this thread comes about, the idea of Shredder pulling past villains out of the time stream. But who knows? Oh, we all will, in August :D