Are we going to see Leo further his training with the ninja tribunal? (re: FF)

[Leo2007]

I know the stuff in 'the journal' was made up by Splinter and Cody, but do you think that's going to be a potential glimpse into the future of the turtles? I think so.

I've always envisioned Leo furthering his training (with the ninja tribunal) and eventually becoming a ninja master, and later training other people in ninjitsu. It fits his personality. I think it happened in the comics, where Leo became a ninja master and started to train other people in the ways of ninjitsu.

I've also envisioned Don helping April and Casey to form O'Neil Tech, Mikey eventually becoming a comic book writer, and Raph maybe going into wrestling or something? That stuff also fits into the individual personality of the turtles.

I think it would be a natural progression for the turtles to grow up, kinda go their separate ways and do their own thing. Yet, they are still close. They won't be kids, forever.

I am not saying it should happen in season seven, but it would be interesting if it happened towards the end of the series.

[X]

One could hope they keep with the continuity, and don't forget past characters.

I personally hope to see a return of -

- The Justice Force
- Usagi and Gen
- Leatherhead
- Bishop and Stockman
- Karai, Chaplin and the Foot
- Garbageman and the homeless dudes
- Angel, Casey, April and Sid
- Touch and Go, Hun, Purple Dragons
- Klunk

There are more, but people get the point. There is no excuse to forget the past characters just so they can focus on keeping people watching, by changing the theme of every season. I miss episodes pre FF where episodes felt like they had depth and character. FF while fun, didn't feel at all like 2k3, and didn't feel as slow paced.

Being a screenwriter, I kind of wished I had my hand at the TMNT brand. Had I had the money to have any say so, I'd keep this show on the air as long as Power Rangers has been on, but would keep to the code that you don't ditch characters so you can visit Cyberspace every episode (which I hope some episodes take place out of Cyberspace.)

[Raph's Girl]

Mikey eventually becoming a comic book writer...

In the Image series he was a romance novelist. :lol:

[triplexxx]

Well, i doubt their gonna choose to separate the turtles in the cartoon series, the Tribunal thing I'd say is done, they served their purpose with that...and the training other people in ninjitsu bit, the turtles already did that with Cody, though they might do it again.

[Raph's Girl]

Well, i doubt their gonna choose to separate the turtles in the cartoon series.

They actually did that in the original series tho. Splinter left them cuz he thought he had taught them enough (so he just flat out abandoned em! ) and the turtles went their seperate ways. Don got a job at a fix it store, Raph became a clown for kid's parties, Mike became a tv cook on the Food Network, and Leo continued fighting crime (till he seemingly "died"). This happened in an ep. I forget which season tho.

[triplexxx]

Yeah, they also did in the new series with the Reality Check, Across the Universe, SAINW, and Real World eps. I meant I don't think they'll separate them for long-term periods. That episode by the way was Splinter Vanishes, season 4.

[Drtooth]

They actually did that in the original series tho. Splinter left them cuz he thought he had taught them enough (so he just flat out abandoned em! ) and the turtles went their seperate ways. Don got a job at a fix it store, Raph became a clown for kid's parties, Mike became a tv cook on the Food Network, and Leo continued fighting crime (till he seemingly "died"). This happened in an ep. I forget which season tho.

Nope. leonardo actually worked as a aerobics instructor for a bunch of reallygigantic overweight women in seatsuits. it stuck with me because they named it "Rosanne's Gym" Wocka Wocka Wocka.

[Coola Yagami]

But he really didn't leave them, did he? He came back later, and they also faced Leatherhead and Rat King teaming up in that episode.

[maryshine]

But he really didn't leave them, did he? He came back later, and they also faced Leatherhead and Rat King teaming up in that episode.


Yeap, Splinter did come back. It was one of my most faviorite epsidoes of the old TMNT.

Also, I think it would be cool to see the guys go their sepearate ways for a while. THey did that in the comics and then they came back together. I really LOVE leo and I think it would be great to see him continue his training.

[Ninjinister]

and Raph maybe going into wrestling or something? That stuff also fits into the individual personality of the turtles.
Wearing an all black costume? :p

[Leo2007]

Well, i doubt their gonna choose to separate the turtles in the cartoon series, the Tribunal thing I'd say is done, they served their purpose with that...and the training other people in ninjitsu bit, the turtles already did that with Cody, though they might do it again.

It was not serious training with Cody. The turtles are not done training themselves.

I think them going their seperate ways towads the end of the series would be realistic, because the four all have different interests and different personalities. They can't be together all the time. IMO, they should have their own lives. They can't remain teenagers forever.

People have different lives and yet are close everyday. So the turtles going their separate ways and living their own lives would be a natural progression with their characters. This did happen in the comics.

Leo going higher in his training to the point where he becomes a ninja master and starts training others in ninjitsu fits his personality. I think that's the only time we see the ninja tribunal again, is when and if they send for Leo so Leo can further his training and become a ninja master. He's always wanted to better himself and since he's very dedicated and has a personality that's closest to Splinter's, I can easily see him becoming a ninja master and passing on the legacy that started with the tribunal themselves, than went to the ancient one, than to Yoshi, than to Splinter, and than to the turtles. I believe this did happen in the comics, where Leo becomes a ninja master and even trains other people.

Don helping April and Casey to establish O'Neil tech fits his personality as well. Don is a genius and its already been said in FF that Don helps to get O'Neil Tech off the ground.

Mikey loves comic books and it would be realistic to see him becoming a comic book writer, somewhat like what happened in the comics.

Raph would do something radical, like becoming a wrestler or something. Or he could go to Japan and hang out with Joi.

[Coola Yagami]

You just described the way the series should end. That's perfect.

[triplexxx]

It was not serious training with Cody. The turtles are not done training themselves.

I think them going their seperate ways towads the end of the series would be realistic, because the four all have different interests and different personalities. They can't be together all the time. IMO, they should have their own lives. They can't remain teenagers forever.

People have different lives and yet are close everyday. So the turtles going their separate ways and living their own lives would be a natural progression with their characters. This did happen in the comics.Maybe so, but the fact still remains the turtles aren't like ordinary people, and closeness does happen between family members and friends whether they live together or separately, but when a family's lives have a daily routine of fighting to stay alive and protect innocents as well as each other, that tends to develop a much stronger closeness than is normal, plus the turtles differences in personality play of each other, that's part of what makes it watchable. The "team and family" theme is the best part of the turtles in my opinion. I'm more than certain they're be more individual eps to come, but I honestly think permanently putting each turtle on a separate ledger is unlikely. The comics may have separated them, but the last cartoon series & the movie series ended with them together. That thing with Cody, well not the most exciting thing in the series, but still a nice little accomplishment on their part...and the thing about training, even if any were to become masters, a ninja can never really afford to be done with training.

[Leo2007]

Maybe so, but the fact still remains the turtles aren't like ordinary people, and closeness does happen between family members and friends whether they live together or separately, but when a family's lives have a daily routine of fighting to stay alive and protect innocents as well as each other, that tends to develop a much stronger closeness than is normal, plus the turtles differences in personality play of each other, that's part of what makes it watchable. The "team and family" theme is the best part of the turtles in my opinion. I'm more than certain they're be more individual eps to come, but I honestly think permanently putting each turtle on a separate ledger is unlikely. The comics may have separated them, but the last cartoon series & the movie series ended with them together. That thing with Cody, well not the most exciting thing in the series, but still a nice little accomplishment on their part...and the thing about training, even if any were to become masters, a ninja can never really afford to be done with training.

And families who are close are not always together. The turtles all have different personalities and different interests. Their lives are not always going to revolve around each other.

The guys are not always going to be kids and Splinter will not always be able to protect them all the time. The time is going to come when the guys will grow up and eventually go their separate ways. Its just the way it is.

Just because fans may have sentimental issues in wanting the guys together all the time, it does not mean that's its going to happen. The guys will always be brothers. They will always be close. They will always be there for each other. At the same time, it does not mean that their entire lives have to always revolve around each other, either. They are allowed to have their own lives, just like the next person.

Besides, the series ending with the guys going their separate ways and doing their own thing would be a natural progression in their growth.

I brought up Leo training with the tribunal to become a master, because honestly, it fits his personality with him seeking to always learn, and never being satisfied with where he's at. He would definately want to pass down the legacy that pretty much started with the tribunal themselves, and went to the ancient one, to yoshi, to splinter, and to the turtles themselves.

While Don, Mike, and Raph will always be ninjas, they do have other interests as well as they should. Don is a genius, and Mikey could become a writer like he does in the comics. They shouldn't stop pursuing their own dreams for their brothers or anyone else. Don playing a huge role in O'Neil Tech being formed makes sense, with Don being a genius and always working with April or Leatherhead on inventions among other things.

[Scandia]

This would be a fantastic ending to TMNT. The only medium in which I have seen something close to this be established would be in the Archie comics. In the future, Leo was a martial arts instructor, Donnie had a tech empire, and I do not remember what Raphael and Mikey did.

In fact, I think it would be a better ending than what is going on in Mirage right now.

[The Terror of Death]

Most likely not since Leo would be seperated from the others. And he would much rather be trained by the Ancient One than the Tribunal.

[Scandia]

SPOILERS

Didn't the Ancient One become a member of the Ninja Tribunal at the end of the 5th season?

[The Terror of Death]

SPOILERS

Didn't the Ancient One become a member of the Ninja Tribunal at the end of the 5th season?

I dont think so considering he wasnt in The Journal. Or maybe he just lives with them.

[Revan]

SPOILERS

Didn't the Ancient One become a member of the Ninja Tribunal at the end of the 5th season?

Yes he did.
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I dont think so considering he wasnt in The Journal. Or maybe he just lives with them.
The Journal was written by Cody and Splinter to teach the turtles a lesson. It wasn't real.

[The Terror of Death]

The Journal was written by Cody and Splinter to teach the turtles a lesson. It wasn't real.

Nevertheless, his absence is still strange.

[Revan]

absence from where?

[Leo2007]

Most likely not since Leo would be seperated from the others. And he would much rather be trained by the Ancient One than the Tribunal.


This is just an idea for how the series could end. And yes, the turtles are going to to their own separate ways at some point. They all should have their own lives. They can still be close yet not live together. It would be a realistic progression in their growth as characters.

[Leo2007]

Yes he did.
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The Journal was written by Cody and Splinter to teach the turtles a lesson. It wasn't real.

It was writtn by Cody and Splinter, but the turtles going their own way and Leo training to become a master could be a potential spoiler (or possible future) for the turtles.

However, I don't think the future will turn out to be dark like how it was described in that fake Journal, which was written by Cody and Splinter.

At the same time, I can really see Leo becoming a ninja master and training others in ninjitsu. I really could see Don helping to form O'Neil Tech and helping April and Casey run the business. It fits the personality of the individual characters. Again, this did happen in the comics, where Leo became a master and trained others, Don ran a tech business, and Mikey became a comic book writer or something. I can't remember what became of Raph.

[Leo2007]

Most likely not since Leo would be seperated from the others. And he would much rather be trained by the Ancient One than the Tribunal.

Since the Ancient One does become apart of the ninja tribunal at the end of season five, Leo would naturally end up training with him, as well as training with Kon, Hisomi, Chikara, and Juto.

[The Terror of Death]

absence from where?

I dont remember seeing The Ancient One in The Journal along side the Tribunal. How could they include Nano with the Justice Force in the story but not include the Ancient One with the Tribunal? I'am not doubting the Ancient One is with them I'am doubting hes actually an official fifth member of the Tribunal.

[Leo2007]

I dont remember seeing The Ancient One in The Journal along side the Tribunal. How could they include Nano with the Justice Force in the story but not include the Ancient One with the Tribunal? I'am not doubting the Ancient One is with them I'am doubting hes actually an official fifth member of the Tribunal.

He is the fifth member of the Tribunal. Just wait until the 13th episode of the lost season, and you'll see.

Besides, the "Journal" the turtles read is a fake. It was written by Cody and Splinter to teach the turtles a lesson.

Cody had the real Journal hidden away in his room.

[Revan]

I dont remember seeing The Ancient One in The Journal along side the Tribunal. How could they include Nano with the Justice Force in the story but not include the Ancient One with the Tribunal? I'am not doubting the Ancient One is with them I'am doubting hes actually an official fifth member of the Tribunal.

Ah I see what you're saying. Although technically your stance is solid, I think you're reading too much in. FF was bad enough in terms in keeping with reality. Look at "timing is everything." Everything about that episode contradicts! :ohwell:
I'm sure the ancient one is a member. cody probably didn't know he was. Anyway, since there were no pictures in the journal, whose to say Splinter didn't have him in mind when he was writing it?

[Sage Ninja]

honestly, I would like to see Mikey step away from the superhero thing and pursue something else.

[triplexxx]

This is just an idea for how the series could end. And yes, the turtles are going to to their own separate ways at some point. They all should have their own lives. They can still be close yet not live together. It would be a realistic progression in their growth as characters.Well, while these theories are fine, to say they are going to separate at some point...well, stating it that way sounds presumptious, there's no guarantees.

[Leo2007]

Well, while these theories are fine, to say they are going to separate at some point...well, stating it that way sounds presumptious, there's no guarantees.

People who grow up together do naturally go their own separate ways at some point, and live their own lives. Its a natural progression in one's growth.

Do children live with their parents forever?

[triplexxx]

No, but there is such thing as cohabition and extended family. True, it's not always permanent and does put a restriction on freedom, but there's a lot of freedoms in the world the turtles couldn't afford any which way whatsoever.

[Revan]

No, but there is such thing as cohabition and extended family. True, it's not always permanent and does put a restriction on freedom, but there's a lot of freedoms in the world the turtles couldn't afford any which way whatsoever.

More than you might think, but probably not in the current cartoon universe since the world is not the same as it is in vol 4. Leo07 has a point about them eventually going their own ways but the world in the current series is not ready for them to leave seclusion just yet.

[Scandia]

Yeah, in Volume 4 the Turtles are in their mid-30s and Master Splinter has passed away.

But in the current 2k3 cartoon episodes, the Turtles are still only around 18 and Master Splinter is still around. So there is no need really for them to go their own ways. I think that if they do that, it should be shown as the ending- kind of like the Archie comics did in the issues where they showed the Future Turtles.

[Buslady]

Personally I wish they'd stop focusing so much on LEO! He has 3 other brothers who need some spotlight! It's not Adventures of Leo and his brothers.

How would Raph go into wrestling, he's not human; they'd figure it out pretty fast.

[Scandia]

Other universes focused on the three other Turtles and often had Leo get the shaft. It was time for Leo to get the spotlight. For his leadership to not just be mentioned in passing- but for it to be shown what it is like to be the leader. I think 2k3 is a great medium to have Leonardo be on the spotlight. And I am not saying it just because Leo is my fave Turtle or 2k3 my fave universe.

[Sage Ninja]

Personally I wish they'd stop focusing so much on LEO! He has 3 other brothers who need some spotlight! It's not Adventures of Leo and his brothers.

How would Raph go into wrestling, he's not human; they'd figure it out pretty fast.

watch the movies, it is pretty much Raphael's world plus those three other guys in the movie mediums LOL ;)

[maryshine]

Personally I wish they'd stop focusing so much on LEO! He has 3 other brothers who need some spotlight! It's not Adventures of Leo and his brothers.

How would Raph go into wrestling, he's not human; they'd figure it out pretty fast.

I don't think they focus on Leo too much. He is the leader and therefore has a lot of responsibility. Besides in Fast Forward, they seemed to focus a lot on Mikey and Raph.

[Buslady]

I didnt mean focus 100% on Raph :P
Why can't Don get more training? Why not focus with him?
Or Raphers? We seen Mike even get a little more. And Splinter Junior seems to get all the highest training of them all, WHY? Aren't the others worthy of such?

[Sage Ninja]

I didnt mean focus 100% on Raph :P

suuuure you didn't ;) :P

Why can't Don get more training? Why not focus with him?

no kidding. Lets see Donatello warrior side explored more and less of his techno geek characteristics

Or Raphers?

I would like to see some good ol' Casey+Raph pair ups and see them tackle some urban story lines with gangs. Mayber show more of Raph compassinate/sweet heart side some more instead of the eternally constipated grouchy Raph we've been treated to lately.

I've already made my thought known on Mikey...more eveolution over-all would be nice and less tantrum prone moments :roll:

[Buslady]

I've already made my thought known on Mikey...more eveolution over-all would be nice and less tantrum prone moments :roll:

yeah I'd like to see a mature Mikey.

[triplexxx]

Personally I wish they'd stop focusing so much on LEO! He has 3 other brothers who need some spotlight! It's not Adventures of Leo and his brothers.

How would Raph go into wrestling, he's not human; they'd figure it out pretty fast.Not "EVERYTHING'S" focused on him. One of the reasons I made that list of every turtles' episodes was to clarify that, every turtle's got a pretty close percentage thus far, as I showed, 2k3 ain't giving any turtle in any shaft.
Why can't Don get more training? Why not focus with him?
Or Raphers? We seen Mike even get a little more. And Splinter Junior seems to get all the highest training of them all, WHY? Aren't the others worthy of such?Of course they are, that's why they had them all participate with the Tribunal in Season 5 and reach "the highest of honors", graduate to Chunin, participate in nearly every villain's defeat, and train Cody together; that Leonardo training with the Tribunal thing was only fake anyway, just because this thread theorizes about it actually occuring doesn't mean it should be taken seriously, 'cause it most likely won't happen, and if it does, they'll probably include all the turtles anyway. There are five memebers of the Tribunal, not just one, so one turtle can't carry on the tradition alone.

[Coola Yagami]

Leo would be the only one that would care enough to wanna further his training at the Ninja Tribunal. I hardly see Don forsake his technology or Mike his comics and videogames to devote themselves that serious to training.

[triplexxx]

If being called to train back at the Tribunal meant doing so for the sake of their family or innocent lives, I think any of the turtles would put devote to that obligation ahead of anything else.

[Buslady]

Not "EVERYTHING'S" focused on him. One of the reasons I made that list of every turtles' episodes was to clarify that, every turtle's got a pretty close percentage thus far, as I showed, 2k3 ain't giving any turtle in any shaft.
Of course they are, that's why they had them all participate with the Tribunal in Season 5 and reach "the highest of honors", graduate to Chunin, participate in nearly every villain's defeat, and train Cody together; that Leonardo training with the Tribunal thing was only fake anyway, just because this thread theorizes about it actually occuring doesn't mean it should be taken seriously, 'cause it most likely won't happen, and if it does, they'll probably include all the turtles anyway. There are five memebers of the Tribunal, not just one, so one turtle can't carry on the tradition alone.

All that chunin garbage and cody, as far as I care, it doesnt exist. FF was a bad dream. Like TNM and Venus, it don't exist.

[triplexxx]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, they still happened. Still, all the other facts I pointed out still stand.

[Leo2007]

I didnt mean focus 100% on Raph :P
Why can't Don get more training? Why not focus with him?
Or Raphers? We seen Mike even get a little more. And Splinter Junior seems to get all the highest training of them all, WHY? Aren't the others worthy of such?


Stop looking at it from a fanboy perspective and be objective about the whole thing.

Don, Mikey, and Raph all have different interests other than the ways of the ninja. Don is a genius who likes to invent things. Mikey is into comics, and Raph is into wrestling. Sure they are all trained ninjas, but they aren't as adament about the whole thing as Leo is. I mean, why should they. Just because they are ninjas, it does not mean they have to fully dedicate their entire lives to it, either. The turtles are allowed to have other interests. They are allowed to have their own lives, you know.

Leo is more dedicated to it, because it fits his personna. That's why it would be more realistic for him to seek higher training to become a ninja master and to pass on the legacy started by the tribunal, themselves. He's fully dedicated to the whole thing and has always seek to better himself in ninjitsu, while the others have other interests.

It does not mean that Don, Mikey, and Raph are lesser people. It does not mean that Leo is better than them. It just means they have different interests. They should do what makes them happy, and from what we've seen, their own individual interests is what they are most passionate about. They like training, but they aren't as passionate about it as Leo, which is okay. They are all different people.

Just because Leo may be the first turtle to become a ninja master, it does not mean that he's better than his brothers. It just means that Leo is soley focused on training to becoming even better, while his bothers have other interests. Leo is fully dedicated to ninjitsu, while Don is fully dedicated to his own inventions, Mikey is fully dedicated to comic books, and Raph is fully dedicated to either wrestling, or running sweeps with Casey.

So please stop being a fanboy and thinking that the others should get the same thing Leo does, when it does not fit their personalities or their interests at all.

[Leo2007]

Leo would be the only one that would care enough to wanna further his training at the Ninja Tribunal. I hardly see Don forsake his technology or Mike his comics and videogames to devote themselves that serious to training.

Exactly. It does not fit their personnas at all. Don and Mikey have other interests. They have a right to do other things.

[Leo2007]

If being called to train back at the Tribunal meant doing so for the sake of their family or innocent lives, I think any of the turtles would put devote to that obligation ahead of anything else.

The tribunal are going to pick people who are going to be fully dedicated to it. If Don, Mikey and Raph want to do other things, than its going to be their choice.

Leo doing it makes more sense, because he's the only turtle that's fully dedicated to ninjitsu, while the others have other interets. It does not mean that Leo is better than them. It just means that he's far more passionate about the whole thing than the others, while his brothers are passionate about things other than ninjitsu. Again, Don, Mikey, and Raph are allowed to have other interests, you know.

Besides, Leo is going to want to pass down the legacy started by the tribunal. He became a ninja master in the comics, and trained other people.

Don helping to form O'Neil Tech fits his personna for obvious reasons. It makes far more sense than him training further with the tribunal. Don probably would not want to be bothered with the ninja tribunal anymore. Who can blame him?

[triplexxx]

I'm not saying anyone's not allowed to have any other interests. But the Tribunal thing, if it even happens, will likely not be a choice, but like I said, an obligation, and any turtle would put something for their family's, friends', and innocent lives' sakes ahead of anything else...and you can say all you want about what became of the Archie comics, but: 1. I don't read the comics (though I do learn things about what happened in them); 2. They didn't put the N in "TMNT" because only one turtle's gonna end up continuing the practice; 3. Like I said about the Tribunal, there's 5 members, so a single individual can't pass on the legacy alone anyway, and the Tribunal didn't pick every turtle the first time because they thought only one or some of them were dedicated or dependable enough; & 4. Every TV universe of the TMNT thus far has kept them together whilst giving them some individual time, but never permanent, so while theorizing about this is ok and even if one wants to create a fanfiction or something on it, that's fine too, but I wouldn't speak about this as seriously as to count on that it's actually gonna occur in the show, 'cause the odds are it won't.

[maryshine]

Stop looking at it from a fanboy perspective and be objective about the whole thing.

Don, Mikey, and Raph all have different interests other than the ways of the ninja. Don is a genius who likes to invent things. Mikey is into comics, and Raph is into wrestling. Sure they are all trained ninjas, but they aren't as adament about the whole thing as Leo is. I mean, why should they. Just because they are ninjas, it does not mean they have to fully dedicate their entire lives to it, either. The turtles are allowed to have other interests. They are allowed to have their own lives, you know.

Leo is more dedicated to it, because it fits his personna. That's why it would be more realistic for him to seek higher training to become a ninja master and to pass on the legacy started by the tribunal, themselves. He's fully dedicated to the whole thing and has always seek to better himself in ninjitsu, while the others have other interests.

It does not mean that Don, Mikey, and Raph are lesser people. It does not mean that Leo is better than them. It just means they have different interests. They should do what makes them happy, and from what we've seen, their own individual interests is what they are most passionate about. They like training, but they aren't as passionate about it as Leo, which is okay. They are all different people.

Just because Leo may be the first turtle to become a ninja master, it does not mean that he's better than his brothers. It just means that Leo is soley focused on training to becoming even better, while his bothers have other interests. Leo is fully dedicated to ninjitsu, while Don is fully dedicated to his own inventions, Mikey is fully dedicated to comic books, and Raph is fully dedicated to either wrestling, or running sweeps with Casey.

So please stop being a fanboy and thinking that the others should get the same thing Leo does, when it does not fit their personalities or their interests at all.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Way to go!

[Scandia]

Hadn't seen Leo2007's post before, but I completely agree. It would be boring if all 4 Turtles show the same amount and type of interest in martial arts. Not to mention the team would not be balanced- there would not be someone to make the machines and inventions, someone to provide comic relief and joy when they needed it the most, or someone to bring the brute strength of fist or tongue in emergency situations.

I can see Leo doing something with ninjitsu in the future. While the other 3 brothers would have benefited from their training and would probably keep it as a hobby, I cannot see them doing it as their main occupation or pursuit. On the other hand Leo does have everything he needs to become a ninjitsu master- ability, effort, passion, dedication, you name it.