ninja turtles 3 love it or loathe it

[Jack Skellington]

http://th168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/CFALCON37/AVGN/th_AVGNTMNT.gif (http://photobucket.com/image/avgn/CFALCON37/AVGN/AVGNTMNT.gif?o=32) Well that pretty much represents my feelings on the film but let's hear yours!

[Revan]

I thought the overall "concept" for turtles III was decent. The comics included lots of obscure ideas so time traveling isn't completely out of character. The thing I didn't like was that they tried so hard to make it funny and forgot to make a decent film. Granted we see small glimpses of the turtles growing (raph mentors yoshi and Mike finds innner peace in Japan) but on the whole, too many stupid one-line quips and goofy ****.

The cosutmes really didn't help the cause either. Splinter inluded, OIY

[Buslady]

The story itself was okay, I'd have done time travel some other way. I hated that staff thingy.

Music was fine.

Casey's appearance was good.

The overall look on the turtles SUCKED, characterisation SUCKED. Raph sounded silly too. Didn't like his voice, what was he smoking since TMNT1?!

The corny acting from the humans was lame.

Casey showing the Japanese dudes the modern day was the only entertaining bits.

Splinter looked retarded. He looked more dog than rat.

[VaughnMichael]

I consider this movie wasted potential.
The should have mixed together some of the time travel tales from the Mirage comics and had Renet and Savanti in it for starters & Chote would have just been icing on the cake.
Having Henson back making the costumes would have made it a bit better also, but it's a shame they didn't get them for whatever reason, such as low budget.
So I'd say Good Idea just Executed Poorly.

[Archon_Turtle]

Having Henson back making the costumes would have made it a bit better also, but it's a shame they didn't get them for whatever reason, such as low budget.


That is my largest issue with the movie as well. The costumes were HORRID. ESPECIALLY the facial articulation. I've seen more realistic movements from animatronics at Disneyland.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yeah I felt the same way...I think if Henson had done the puppets and if the whole movie just wasn't so over the top it wouldn't have been so bad. Time travel is very appropriate for the turtles but like everyone else is saying it just wasn't handled right....oh and the wet willy thing...yeah I couldn't stand that.

[Cure]

I didn't hate it OR love it. It was just...whatever.

[Jester]

I liked the plot, time travel has always been one of my favorite plot devices. The acting was ok, a little cheesy, but it was a TMNT movie, there were never Oscar caliber acting in them.

The costumes, again, were the major draw back. The loss of Henson's animatronics also, sadly meant the loss of the great Kevin Clash as Splinter, another strike against it. It was nice to see the TMNT using their weapons again in a fight, but it was also very cheesy.

I think the combination of the cheese factor and the god-awful costumes ( for the Turtle and Splinter, the costumes for the human characters were ok.) makes this the most panned of the 3 movies. I need to ask my pally Bizarro what he thought of TMNT 3 since the whole different costuming aspect is moot to him.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

When I was doing my fan commentary for that film...I was just all over the map. I really couldn't decide if I hated or liked the movie.

So I guess my answer is...it's a movie that can make you into a schizophrenic.

[Jester]

Nicely put my friend. :P

[Buslady]

oh yeah i forgot the other sucky thing - the opener was eh..and all of a sudden Raph's mad for NO real reason.
He's never pissed for no reason.

WAY ooc for him.

[Revan]

I think Raph was just frustrated that they had little to do but still had to train hard. Their enemy was dead and they had no purpose in life

[ToTheNines]

Meh, I bust it out once every summer. It's embarassing, having something like that be a part of my "thing", but it's no biggie, most of the time the 3rd movie in a series sucks anyways (I'd rather watch TMNT III than Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, or Beyond Thunderdome).

[CyberCubed]

TMNT III has some really good moments though:

- Mike having a "crush" type of thing on Mitsu, so much so he wanted to stay in Japan instead of return to the present.

- Raph's bonding with Yoshi, teaching him to control his temper and flying kites with him.

- The Scepter being lost, rebuilt, missing etc, it actually kept me on my toes that Yoshi's grandfather was the one who hid the real Scepter..

- Casey's interactions with the four samurai bodyguard. You have to admit all the scenes in the present with Casey and those guys was hilarious. Who didn't laugh when one of them wanted to take the TV with him back to Japan? :D

One of the big things I like about the movie is the climax, two of the Turtles wanted to stay in Japan (Raph and Mike), whereas Leo and Don wanted to return to the present. One thing people don't appreciate is the Turtles wanting to go their separate ways, and Raph says something like, "Here in Japan people actually appreciate us unlike in the present where we have to hide in the sewer."

Instead of being the boring predictable "let's get back to our time," they actually had the Turtles react differently to the situation.

[Guitar_Raph]

The only part that was so cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Supersizedtrunks.jpg
Mikey in super-sized trunks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Tooembarrassed.jpg
D'oh!

[DonatelloDomeHead31]

My positive response to the movie was Donatello's humor. In just about every scene, he makes a joke. Being that he is my favorite turtle, I thought this was Donatello's best. His jokes weren't funny in the 2nd one, but were very funny in the first one.

Anyways, I'm average on the third ninja turtle movie but it's positive because of this line by donatello:

Donatello(when he sees the guy come out of the bell after the cannon has fired): Oh look, Don King!

[NameGoesHere1066]

I actually kind of liked the third movie, there where some gems in it I think get really over looked by the whole "OMG the cutoms suck!!!" reactions. My biggest gripes? Casey being reduced to the subplot, to much silliness, not dramatic enough, and Paige's portrayal as April...seriously what happened to her acting skills in the third movie? :ohwell:

[Buslady]

never liked paige turco's april. she doesnt look right for the role.

[Guitar_Raph]

My favorite line in the movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Greatvibes.jpg
"Sorry about the crack about the bad vibes. You got great vibes!"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/VibesdudeLeo.jpg
'Actually, I got the vibes & I love to play them!"

[Mandi-chan]

I still love this movie, even as an adult, but won't deny the fact that it's horrible.

[ToTheNines]

My positive response to the movie was Donatello's humor. In just about every scene, he makes a joke. Being that he is my favorite turtle, I thought this was Donatello's best. His jokes weren't funny in the 2nd one, but were very funny in the first one.

You just said nice things about Corey Feldman... that hasn't happened since the 80's.

[Drtooth]

I feel it was alright. Time travel was gimmicky, and they should have BEGGED AND PLEADED with henson to do the suits for them, or just fix up the ones they had before. But then again, I think that out of the 4 films, the first and the last were the best in terms of story crafting. The second stumbled into Ghostbusters syndrome.

Ghostbusters syndrome is when a movie comes out, and in between the first film and the second, the cartoon becomes so popular, it somehow incorporates the cartoon into the film. The WORST example of this was Men in Black 2. The second film tried to blend cartoon concepts into the movie universe (the addition of other mutants). And I think the Super Shredder ending was pretty cartoonish, even for the Turtles. The third had an interresting concept, but something just didn't work with it. There was something missing, and I just can't put my finger on it. it isn't the puppetry, it isn't the acting... it's just something intangable that's wrong with the film.

[Buslady]

the hensons bid for hte job i think but their bid was too high so the movie people went with the cheaper bid and got less quality.

i could be wrong but i thought i read something like that?

it really makes a difference how the turtles are represented. I saw it once in '93...I'd have seen it alot more if the Hensons had done it.
The TMNT3 tie in toys looked better than the turtles IN the movie.

[JusticeForce]

Like a lot of people have said, this movie had potential, but didn't really pull it all together. It's basic storyline is the most epic of the three live-action movies, and the sets and the shots are the most cinematic, yet most of the attempts at humor comes from cheesy topical references, and the costumes are such a downgrade from the first two movies.

However, I really like the fact that it tries to highlight more of the differences between the turtles. Although there was still characterization in the first two movies, 99% of the time the four were all interacting in the same scene and focused on the same goals - well, except for Raph being singled out by storming off. This movie splits them up, having scenes with Mikey crushing on Mitsu, Raph mentoring Yoshi, Don trying to work with the blacksmith, and Leo excelling at horseback riding when the others failed. These differences come into play in the scene at the end when they're arguing about going home or not.

One of the big things I like about the movie is the climax, two of the Turtles wanted to stay in Japan (Raph and Mike), whereas Leo and Don wanted to return to the present. I actually think that Leo was considering staying too, because when Don says (paraphrasing) "Are you guys kidding? We HAVE to go back!" Leo replies "Actually..." before getting cut off. In the end, when he convinces the others to take the "right" course of action and go back to their own time, it sounds like he's already reasoned it through in his own mind, not that he never considered staying there as an option.

Oh, and I like Paige Turco's April a lot better in this movie than SOTO. At least she shows some spunk in III.

[NameGoesHere1066]

you call that spunk? I call it forced acting. It seemed like she was trying to pull off old toon April's famous "mouthing off to the villans" character moments for which she is famous for, but completly falling short. I cringe every time I see Paige's attempt at a "threatening April" when she get up in the gaurds face and and insists that she can reduce him to a "steaming pile of puke". Ugh :dead: that sounded so forced....:sick:

[Coola Yagami]

I would have liked Rennet and Savanti to be in it, considering it was time travel and all... but back then, I still woulda thought it would suck cause I wouldn't have know who they are and woulda wished part 3 had someone from the show like Rat King, Baxter or Slash or whoever.

[Buslady]

exactly my thoughts.


you call that spunk? I call it forced acting. It seemed like she was trying to pull off old toon April's famous "mouthing off to the villans" character moments for which she is famous for, but completly falling short. I cringe every time I see Paige's attempt at a "threatening April" when she get up in the gaurds face and and insists that she can reduce him to a "steaming pile of puke". Ugh :dead: that sounded so forced....:sick:

[Drtooth]

I would have liked Rennet and Savanti to be in it, considering it was time travel and all...

With the cheap, bargain puppetry they used, would you really have wanted to see Savanti?

[Sage Ninja]

you call that spunk? I call it forced acting. It seemed like she was trying to pull off old toon April's famous "mouthing off to the villans" character moments for which she is famous for, but completly falling short. I cringe every time I see Paige's attempt at a "threatening April" when she get up in the gaurds face and and insists that she can reduce him to a "steaming pile of puke". Ugh :dead: that sounded so forced....:sick:


and I didn't get why the couldn't have Casety play Casey in the main plot instead of playing Casey's ancestor that April for no reason started crushing on. :o

[Jester]

My positive response to the movie was Donatello's humor. In just about every scene, he makes a joke. Being that he is my favorite turtle, I thought this was Donatello's best. His jokes weren't funny in the 2nd one, but were very funny in the first one.

Anyways, I'm average on the third ninja turtle movie but it's positive because of this line by donatello:

Donatello(when he sees the guy come out of the bell after the cannon has fired): Oh look, Don King!
I'm gonna go ahead an be Jo for this....

"Donatello doesn't 'Nuck nuck!'"

[ToSte]

This movie came out at a time where I was obsessed with anything TMNT related, but I hated the movie. I've watched I and II several times since then, but never went back to III. I think I only really like TMNT in their sewer setting, which is why I'm not a fan of FF.

[DonatelloDomeHead31]

As I restate: Donatello has and still is my favorite ninja turtle. Yes, I realize I said something nice about Corey Feldman. Yes, I realize he doesn't "nuck nuck" but the point is: humor. Sorry don't mean to sound defensive.

[Jester]

S'alright. I don't mind movie Don too much, but I see Jo Dawn's point. Donnie is fairly out of character in the 1st and 3rd movies.

[Scandia]

I do not hate it. Or even dislike it. It is just the one movie in the franchise that deviates from the main Turtle story the most. Almost as if it were an Archie issue rather than a Mirage based one. Which is not bad- just different.

[DonatelloDomeHead31]

You have a point there, well with a few exceptions. In the 2nd movie, Donatello works the computer at T.G.R.I and works with Professor Perry to create the reverse mutation for Tokka and Rahzhar. In the 3rd movie, Donatello figures out the sceptor. But in the 1st movie, he doesn't do anything that involves science. The only thing he fixes is the truck at April's farm.

[Evenstar227]

It's been said already, but I thought the acting sucked in III. The movie is not without merit, though, especially parts like Raph & Yoshi. The martial arts aren't too bad, and the boys seem to be able to hang on to their weapons better (thank GOD...did you see how often they dropped them in the first movie??). Hey, it's the Turtles. I watch it.


My favorite line in the movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Greatvibes.jpg
"Sorry about the crack about the bad vibes. You got great vibes!"

I think the best line is when Mikey asks Kenshin, "How did you get in April's pants?" Loaded with double meaning! Lol...

[Revan]

It's been said already, but I thought the acting sucked in III. The movie is not without merit, though, especially parts like Raph & Yoshi. The martial arts aren't too bad, and the boys seem to be able to hang on to their weapons better (thank GOD...did you see how often they dropped them in the first movie??). Hey, it's the Turtles. I watch it.
Well to be fair, in movie one they had never been in a real fight and were gaining experience throughout. By the third movie they had been in more battles so that might explain their improved combat.

[Evenstar227]

Well to be fair, in movie one they had never been in a real fight and were gaining experience throughout. By the third movie they had been in more battles so that might explain their improved combat.

I'll grant that they'd never fought against outside opponents, but what about sparring with each other? At some point in their training they would've used weapons, be they edged or practice or whatever, against each other. They trained for over 10 years...I just thought it seemed odd.

[Revan]

I'll grant that they'd never fought against outside opponents, but what about sparring with each other? At some point in their training they would've used weapons, be they edged or practice or whatever, against each other. They trained for over 10 years...I just thought it seemed odd.
could be... it matters little to me :P

[Evenstar227]

could be... it matters little to me :P

Lol...and yet we're having an earnest debate over it.

[Revan]

Maybe they had been dropping their weapons for 10 years and didn't figure out how to hold them until after the movie :lol::lol::lol:

(I really never noticed them dropping their weapons that much in the first movie. Do you mean during fight sequences?)

[turkishproverb]

I feel it was alright. Time travel was gimmicky, and they should have BEGGED AND PLEADED with henson to do the suits for them, or just fix up the ones they had before. But then again, I think that out of the 4 films, the first and the last were the best in terms of story crafting. The second stumbled into Ghostbusters syndrome.

Ghostbusters syndrome is when a movie comes out, and in between the first film and the second, the cartoon becomes so popular, it somehow incorporates the cartoon into the film. The WORST example of this was Men in Black 2. The second film tried to blend cartoon concepts into the movie universe (the addition of other mutants). And I think the Super Shredder ending was pretty cartoonish, even for the Turtles. The third had an interresting concept, but something just didn't work with it. There was something missing, and I just can't put my finger on it. it isn't the puppetry, it isn't the acting... it's just something intangable that's wrong with the film.

Actually, the real problem with super shredder was the WAY he was done, as you couldn't make him the real threat he should be at PG level without a really GREAT director and more understanding producers (which "NInja RAP" proves they did not have).

Although his actual pseudo suicide ("Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!") made sense if you look at his illogical action as the equivalent of 'roid rage. (Mutigen Madness?)

[DonatelloDomeHead31]

Maybe they had been dropping their weapons for 10 years and didn't figure out how to hold them until after the movie :lol::lol::lol:

(I really never noticed them dropping their weapons that much in the first movie. Do you mean during fight sequences?)

I'd like to point out one major scene where one of the ninja turtles weapons drops. In the scene where the turtles are fighting Tokka and Rahzhar with the donuts trick, Leonardo gets thrown into Donatello and Raphael, and while the turtles are on the ground, you can see Raphael's sai discarded from Raphael and lying on the ground. Neutrino, if you have that screen cap, post it and you'll see what I mean.

(Edit: this of course being in the 2nd movie. In the first movie, the one drop that happens is when Leo goes to attack Shredder and Shredder throws him to the ground (when Shredder makes the turtles believe Splinter is dead).)

[Ra]

TMNT III? I haven't seen it, but I practically loathe it for the costume designs. It was like... TMNT meets leprosy or some deadly disease with spots. Really...LOOK AT THEM!! I can't really stress enough how Leo looks like some sort of bizarre mutant shadow creature of himself here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/WTF.jpg

I'll probably sit down and watch it one day though. Kind of a must if you are a TMNT fan, right?

[Evenstar227]

Ra, they're teenagers. Don't tease them because they have acne. ^_^

Maybe they had been dropping their weapons for 10 years and didn't figure out how to hold them until after the movie :lol::lol::lol:

(I really never noticed them dropping their weapons that much in the first movie. Do you mean during fight sequences?)

Yeah, during fights. I can think of a few instances off the top of my head: Raph dropping his sais during the rooftop battle, Leo dropping his swords during the Foot ambush at April's apartment. Even when they're all on the farm and practicing together when Raph recovers. These are from the first movie. At the moment nothing comes to mind in the 2nd, although Don totally flings the canister when the Foot ninja trips his chair.

They need to use napkins (1) after eating 'za, and wipe off the grease!


:fshifty:note:
(1): ref. to SotO
April: Here, let me get you guys some napkins...
Raph & Don: What for?
April flings napkins up in disgust.

[CudleyCowlick]

I still love this movie, even as an adult, but won't deny the fact that it's horrible.

Yep, that about sums up my feelings.

Nostalgia is great in small doses. I can't watch this movie more than once a year or so, but I WILL enjoy it.

[Drtooth]

TMNT III? I haven't seen it, but I practically loathe it for the costume designs. It was like... TMNT meets leprosy or some deadly disease with spots. Really...LOOK AT THEM!! I can't really stress enough how Leo looks like some sort of bizarre mutant shadow creature of himself here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/WTF.jpg

I'll probably sit down and watch it one day though. Kind of a must if you are a TMNT fan, right?

The ones on his head look like cigar burns, actually. Talk about cheap detailing.

[Ra]

Ra, they're teenagers. Don't tease them because they have acne. ^_^
You, good sir, win. I don't know what you win, but you win something for making me laugh so hard. :lol:

[DonatelloDomeHead31]

Evenstar, you said Raphael losses his sais. I completely forgot about that scene. Ever thought that maybe Casey Jones had Raph's sais? Keep in mind that Casey did see him on the roof before the attack. Then later he helps the turtles escape. The sais weren't on his person; however, they may have been in his bag of weapons.


Think about that...hmmm :D

[Raph's Girl]

I just have to say that Im amongst the few (and I know Tokka is another one of the few) who loves this movie. TMNT III is my fave amongst the 4 films. I know people don't like it but I don't care. I love it.

It had great moments:

1: Raph befriending the village kids, especially Yoshi
2: Mike and Mitsu
3: "Norinaga? Name rings a bell.." :lol:
4: "Hockey??? Hockey!!"
5: "Elvis presley!"
6: "Ohio Wasabi!" "Hello Mustard?"
7: "Bungy jumping without a bungy.. tsk tsk tsk..."
8: Raph discovering he loves nature
9: "Yeah, you look familiar too..."

Yes the costuming was a bit weird. But the overall story was just awesome. Maybe it's cuz Im into time travel? Who knows. Oh and I'd also like to point out that if you look at Tim Kelleher (movie 3 Raph) the Raph head looks exactly like him.

If Renet had been in it tho people like me who had never even HEARD of the Mirage books would have been majorly confused.

[Sage Ninja]

hm, it's been a long while since I've seen this movie...maybe I should go out and rent it just for the heck of it. Do I dare? :P

[Drtooth]

I''m gonna have to dig out my old copy of the film now.

All I can remember about it, actually, is that Sab Shimono, aka Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures, and Mr. Sparkle from the Simpsons is in it.

[odupianist]

Evenstar, you said Raphael losses his sais. I completely forgot about that scene. Ever thought that maybe Casey Jones had Raph's sais? Keep in mind that Casey did see him on the roof before the attack. Then later he helps the turtles escape. The sais weren't on his person; however, they may have been in his bag of weapons.


I know this is off topic, but for the first movie, in the comic version (which may mean it was a deleted scene in the movie, who knows if we'll ever find out), there are a few panels where Raph is either sharpening his sais or making new ones (much like Leo made new swords in the 2k3 episode "Monster Hunter").

[NameGoesHere1066]

you know call me sappy but I always liked the scene where that warrior guy gets back to the past and meets Matsu and dips her dramatically and kisses her. :oops:

[Evenstar227]

Evenstar, you said Raphael losses his sais. I completely forgot about that scene. Ever thought that maybe Casey Jones had Raph's sais? Keep in mind that Casey did see him on the roof before the attack. Then later he helps the turtles escape. The sais weren't on his person; however, they may have been in his bag of weapons.

Well, a Foot tossed them over the side of the roof. Did they get caught on the fire escape (a la Mike's chucks in the finale)? Did they end up on the sidewalk? Maybe Casey grabbed them before making his appearance (but would he have known they were Raph's? R didn't break them out in the park when they met.), or one of the guys saw them as they skedaddled.

I know this is off topic, but for the first movie, in the comic version (which may mean it was a deleted scene in the movie, who knows if we'll ever find out), there are a few panels where Raph is either sharpening his sais or making new ones (much like Leo made new swords in the 2k3 episode "Monster Hunter").

Gyah, I hope he wasn't sharpening them. Not when was chewing on them (after Splinter tells April of their origins)!

You, good sir, win. I don't know what you win, but you win something for making me laugh so hard.

Lol...the best way you could thank me is to check out my quiz: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24498 (shameless self-promotion)

[KROW]

I didn't mind the third one, honestly. It was loosely based on one of the Mirage stories and Walker was a good villain. The only things I didn't like about it were the animatronics, some of the sappy acting, and the use of Casey.

[SLASH!!!]

Funny thing I was a little kid when I first saw this. I actually remember sitting in the theater watching it. For years it was my favorite of the turtle movies. I think it was because Shredder (in the 1st movie but not the 2nd go figure) scared me when I was little and it helped that this movie was the only one of them where nothing bad happened to my favorite Raph (almost killed in 1st, kidnapped in 2nd). I also liked the armor they wore. Of course it isn't my favorite now. I know it's not bad. But I can't hate it. The little kid in me won't let me. Plus I've seen worse.

[odupianist]

Gyah, I hope he wasn't sharpening them. Not when was chewing on them (after Splinter tells April of their origins)!

Sorry, I meant to mention that the sharpening took place at the farm.