Mezcaal and Umeko

[jaymq]

I was wondering if anyone could confirm if Mezcaal has any relationship to Umeko/Ninjara? I read on a forum somewhere that she does, but the comics didn't seem to back that up. Just that her grandmother was spiritual, just not a name and Raph didn't seem to give any indication he knew who it was.

Thanks in advance for any info.

[Powder]

I thought I read somewhere that mezcaal was Ninjaras daughter or something but I haven't read past like issue 32 of archie so I have no idea.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

No no no. Mezcaal is, I believe, Ninjara's GRAND-Daughter.

I forget where I read that though...

Pretty kinky sh!t if you ask me... :tlol:

Edit: And, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense since animals in the canine family don't live all that long. If the Turtles are like 100 in the Cyber Samurai mini-series, and Ninjara had HER daughter shortly after TMNT #70...well, you do the math.

[CyberCubed]

So Raph dated Ninjara and then dates her granddaughter in the future?

[Coola Yagami]

For all we know, he probably dated her daughter too. Dude got issues.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

So Raph dated Ninjara and then dates her granddaughter in the future?

I don't remember where I read that...but I remember reading it.

I mean, have you noticed her resemblance to Mokoshan too?

It isn't like he was around when she was a kid...he met her after she'd become an adult. So it isn't THAT weird.

[Topsu]

Well, in Ninjara-comics, which appeared in Furrlough, she had a daughter named Moka and Mokoshan was killed. I can't remember seeing mention of Mezcaal being related to Ninjara, but then again, I haven't read all adventures in english, part only in finnish.

It is possible for her to be daughter or even granddaughter of Moka, which would make her either granddaughter or greatgranddaughter of Ninjara. If anyone can tell me where this was mentioned in comics, and maybe a scan of that particular happening, I'd appreciate it.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I thought I read it in something Dan or Murph posted somewhere. I could be wrong though.

Verification would be nice, but until we have proof otherwise she's Ninjara's grand-daughter as far as I'm concerned.

[jaymq]

Well, in Ninjara-comics, which appeared in Furrlough, she had a daughter named Moka and Mokoshan was killed. I can't remember seeing mention of Mezcaal being related to Ninjara, but then again, I haven't read all adventures in english, part only in finnish.

I read that too, I also read that names in that clan were taken after parents as well. Or at least, the father.


I thought I read it in something Dan or Murph posted somewhere. I could be wrong though.

Can we get in touch with either one of them to find out for sure?



But neither Archie comics or Furlough confirmed blood relations.

[ToTheNines]

Dan's easy to get ahold of, and I know some people here hold contact with Murphy, so I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

Explain?

Like I said, if he didn't meet her until she had grown up/established herself as a mature adult, there's not really anything creepy about it. Let's not make Raphael into Woody Allen.

[ToTheNines]

Like I said, if he didn't meet her until she had grown up/established herself as a mature adult, there's not really anything creepy about it. Let's not make Raphael into Woody Allen.

For instace, I'd have trouble getting close to a girl who had previously dated a friend of mine. I would never be with someone who had previously dated a family member of mine, especially not my grandfather.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Okay. Well I guess I can't say much to dispute that.

[Venom]

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

[Coola Yagami]

Relative or not, Raph proved that once you go fox, you don't go back.

[plastroncafe]

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

Citation needed.

[jaymq]

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

Citation needed.

What plastroncafe said. My point to posting this was asking for a source/proof/whatever else.

[Venom]

I'll have to go back and check my Archie books to see if it's actually noted as such there. IIRC, 62 had a mention of her grandmother...

I was seriously thinking Murph had clarified Mezcaal's relation to Ninjara on his blog a few years back.

[Leo656]

Relative or not, Raph proved that once you go fox, you don't go back.

Win. :lol:

So Raph being into furries isn't weird, but dating his ex-girlfriend's granddaughter is? That the rule now? :lol:

None of it's weird, it's a comic book. I always thought it made Raph a little more deep, like subconsciously he was trying to recapture with Mez what he screwed up with Ninjara. Never bothered me.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

None of it's weird, it's a comic book. I always thought it made Raph a little more deep, like subconsciously he was trying to recapture with Mez what he screwed up with Ninjara. Never bothered me.


Never thought of it that way. But Raph is sort of the "Emo," archetypal Lord Byron type...

[jaymq]

I'll have to go back and check my Archie books to see if it's actually noted as such there. IIRC, 62 had a mention of her grandmother...

Yes, it's in Future Tense, although, she just says "my grandmother". Not a name and neither does Raph. I said that in my initial post.

[micaturtle]

Yes, it's in Future Tense, although, she just says "my grandmother". Not a name and neither does Raph. I said that in my initial post.

In #61, we find out that Noboku (one of Future Leo's students) is APRIL'S Great-granddaughter, maybe that's where you are getting that.

Also, I'm almost sure Mezcaal is a wolf humanoid, not a fox. If you compare the drawings, she has a wider muzzle than Ninjara had. Also, her tail is much shorter and less full/fluffy.

But if anyone knows if Murphy clarified Mez/Ninjara's relationship on his blog, PLEASE prove me wrong. :)

[micaturtle]

Well, here it is, direct from the horse's mouth:

Hi Mica. You're going to hate this but... I don't exactly remember. I don't think they're related though as Ninjara was a fox and Mezcaal a coyote and I seem to remember toying with the idea that Raph was into canine girls. ;o) Which would make me think that the two women were NOT related. It would be too weird if they were.

Hope all is well,
Steve

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM, <Mica> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> This is Mica here. A few fans and I were discussing it, and we can't figure
> the answer to this question out. Are Ninjara and Mezcaal related? Someone
> said that you had said that Mez was Ninjara's great granddaughter on your
> blog. Sadly, since the archives of the 5th turtle have been taken down, I
> can't go back and investigate myself. So I figured since you created both
> characters, you would know best. Please let me know, as it will avoid a
> knock-down hair-pulling geek fight that this may devolve into otherwise. :)
>
> Thanks so much!
> ~Mica

Okay, I was wrong. Mez is a coyote, not a wolf. Only certain breeds of canines can interbreed, so we know that Mez isn't decended from Ninjara.
I did a little research, and any kids between Mokoshan and Ninjara would be doxes (Dog/Wolf-Fox hybrids) and it's never been confirmed that that combo is viable/fertile. (but I guess it is in TMNTA world, since I think Ninjara has a kid in Furrlough issue with her in it, however, whether that kid is fertile or not, who knows)
It WOULD be too weird if Ninjara was Mezcaal's ancestor. Rather twisted.

[jaymq]

Well, here it is, direct from the horse's mouth:



Okay, I was wrong. Mez is a coyote, not a wolf. Only certain breeds of canines can interbreed, so we know that Mez isn't decended from Ninjara.
I did a little research, and any kids between Mokoshan and Ninjara would be doxes (Dog/Wolf-Fox hybrids) and it's never been confirmed that that combo is viable/fertile. (but I guess it is in TMNTA world, since I think Ninjara has a kid in Furrlough issue with her in it, however, whether that kid is fertile or not, who knows)
It WOULD be too weird if Ninjara was Mezcaal's ancestor. Rather twisted.

Thank you, Mica!

[Ninjinister]

Wow. And all this time I had thought she was descended from Ninjara in some way.

[Raph's Girl]

Mezcaal is a Cayote?! Well I suppose that would explain the whole Turtle Island thing. I thought Raph created the Turtle Island restauraunt cuz of the Native American guy telling him the story. But he also married a Native American mutant! Mezcaal being named after a type of cactus makes more sense now....

Ironically Rob Paulsen voiced the descendant of Road Runner in Loonatics Unleashed.... :lol:

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Wow. And all this time I had thought she was descended from Ninjara in some way.

I was certain of it myself, and could have SWORN I read something official that confirmed it.

[Venom]

Same here man! For over 15 years I've thought they were related.

[jaymq]

Mystery uncovered! xD

Much love for Mica.

[Ninjinister]

Mezcaal is a Cayote?! Well I suppose that would explain the whole Turtle Island thing. I thought Raph created the Turtle Island restauraunt cuz of the Native American guy telling him the story. But he also married a Native American mutant!

Hold up. Despite the coyote being a trickster god in some Native American cultures, I don't see the connection. Being a coyote doesn't automatically make her associated with being a "Native American mutant". Heck, is she even a mutant at all?

Unless there's some subtext in the actual issues themselves that I'm not aware of....

[plastroncafe]

Mezcaal being named after a type of cactus makes more sense now....


It's also a kind of booze similar to tequila.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Yeah, but that's spelled differently.

I don't think the guys at Mirage know how to spell.

[discordiatookie]

Glad to see that finally cleared up. I think the only place I seen it said that Mez and Ninjara were related was on here...

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, but that's spelled differently.

I don't think the guys at Mirage know how to spell.

I like to consider those "stylistic choices" rather than misspellings.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
- President Andrew Jackson
:lol:

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I like to consider those "stylistic choices" rather than misspellings.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
- President Andrew Jackson
:lol:

Well, than the guys at Mirage are rich of mind indeed, there are more spelling errors in the early stuff than can easily be counted. I found a few that really annoyed me in one of the more recent issues of Tales as well.

But then, I used to teach composition.

[Raph's Girl]

It's also a kind of booze similar to tequila.

Yes... and it's made out of the plant Maguey (a type of Agave plant aka Century Plant. Maguey is just another word for Mezcal).

To me it just continues the theme of the turtles falling for females named after plants:
Mezcaal/Mezcal (Maguey/Century Plant)
Umeko (plum blossom)
Lotus Blossom
Kala (Lilly)
Hazel/Radical (Hazelnuts anyone? )
Karai (a plum tree)
Mona Lisa (a type of Tulip)

[shuriken]

Yes... and it's made out of the plant Maguey (a type of Agave plant aka Century Plant. Maguey is just another word for Mezcal).

To me it just continues the theme of the turtles falling for females named after plants:
Mezcaal/Mezcal (Maguey/Century Plant)
Umeko (plum blossom)
Lotus Blossom
Kala (Lilly)
Hazel/Radical (Hazelnuts anyone? )
Karai (a plum tree)
Mona Lisa (a type of Tulip)

You know that's really interesting. Kinda makes me wish i dated all chicks with names that represented flowers. But then I realize that'd be kinda creepy LOOKING for chicks with name of flowers.

[Koi]

I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

I thought I was the only one. That is just grody knowing that information.

Edit: Thank goodness, they're not related.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I thought I was the only one. That is just grody knowing that information.

Edit: Thank goodness, they're not related.

Eh, I don't know that them being related would bother me.

[plastroncafe]

Eh, I don't know that them being related would bother me.

Agreed. Them being related doesn't bother me so much as the idea of Raph constantly looking to replace "the one that got away." No matter how "fitting" that is to his character, it's still really pathetic.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

No matter how "fitting" that is to his character, it's still really pathetic.

Most fangirls would find that romantic I would think.

This is going to turn into a Raph-Bashing thread...maybe someone should invite Raka... :tlol:

[Koi]

This is going to turn into a Raph-Bashing thread...maybe someone should invite Raka... :tlol:

I wouldn't mind one of those type of threads actually. Just a good bashing thread.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I wouldn't mind one of those type of threads actually. Just a good bashing thread.

Here...

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=766285#post766285

:tlol:

You and I will be the unofficial moderators of this thread...I unofficially declare us as such...

[plastroncafe]

Most fangirls would find that romantic I would think.

This is going to turn into a Raph-Bashing thread...maybe someone should invite Raka... :tlol:

I call shenanigans!
I don't see how my saying Archie's Future Raph is "pathetic" constitutes bashing. Not by a long shot.

As for the "romantic" line, I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. At least not here.

[jaymq]

Agreed. Them being related doesn't bother me so much as the idea of Raph constantly looking to replace "the one that got away." No matter how "fitting" that is to his character, it's still really pathetic.

Most fangirls would find that romantic I would think.

Uhm... Not so much, but maybe sad in a way.

[Venom]

I always thought that since Raph outlived Ninjara and possibly never reconciled with her, that years later when he met Mezcaal she was so much like Ninjara that he was attracted to her. Never thought it was gross at all.

Oh well, too bad we fabricated the whole thing in our minds. It was a pretty awesome concept.

[Teddy]

Wow, so much great info in this thread! Answered alot of my questions about Mezcaal and Ninjara, I was so confused. >.< Glad I wasn't the only one.

[Bjarni]

I could have sworn I read somewhere that they were related. Even though I always thought it was bull myself.
It might have been in the Swedish translation of the Turtles? They did edit those comics a lot, changing them drastically...

[Avatar Yuffie]

Yes... and it's made out of the plant Maguey (a type of Agave plant aka Century Plant. Maguey is just another word for Mezcal).

To me it just continues the theme of the turtles falling for females named after plants:
Mezcaal/Mezcal (Maguey/Century Plant)
Umeko (plum blossom)
Lotus Blossom
Kala (Lilly)
Hazel/Radical (Hazelnuts anyone? )
Karai (a plum tree)
Mona Lisa (a type of Tulip)

That's pretty amazing.

But wow, thanks for clearing up Mezcaal/Ninjara thing. Personally even if they were related it wouldn't really bug me that much.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I could have sworn I read somewhere that they were related. Even though I always thought it was bull myself.

I am fairly certain that they are... I think if you read the summaries on the offical site, it says so. I'll go check.

"Dreamland" Part One

The five part "Dreamland" story takes place in the future and features the future versions of the TMNT in their Cyber Samurai gear.

Verminator X hacks into the Hubble Space Telescope and spots an alien ship heading towards Earth...

On the surface of the planet (which is flooded due to global warming), Raph wakes from a nightmare and is consoled by his wife (I think), Mezcaal (who looks alot like Raph's former girlfriend, Ninjara).

So it is never stated but merely implied...